Albo7 wrote:And as I also pointed out, your only arguments to support raising the mentality value by 10 points were "he tires in game" and "he is the worst ever in mentality", now that it seems you put some logic at your comments, you can continue arguing with jurgens.
Well, nice, there is some:
vickingo_73 wrote:do you really think that Ortega FOR example is 7 points below Romario in terms of MENT?
Sounds totally strange and without sense that value to Ortega in those days, His lack of good mentality always was his worse problem, but I think that when he was younger (between 2000-2001) he made more about his tireness aptitude, I say, He never was a player with great condition, always unprepared and with alcoholic problems, BTW, his loveness to River and his "proper love" (I don't know if it's exactly the way to translate "amor propio") made counteract when he was tired and run only for the team, because he always wanted to stay in River, EVEN when he was in Europe, his heart always was in River.
jurgens wrote:I'd like to hear Uzairs reasoning on giving him mentality 58, most of his sets and values are great, some of the best in the classic database, I'm sure he had his reasons. I know a little of ortega and now he was a lazy fuck and never defended at all.. so I can understand why he has this value.
Ok, nice to read it, I'll hope that opinion, but I'm pretty sure that it's better than the current, and I also think that he's one of the best classic members/posters ever.