Club: Club Atlético River Plate
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vickingo_73 wrote: MENT 58? I WAS always know That this weak historical point, But Also His Taking Into account not high STA Is not too much harsh? : | I Could enjoy a lot of games Of That was, and I'm pretty sure I Could Have That the 90 'and in important games in the last minutes and I Was not That crap, With That MENT Value must be the worst ever in PSD, too much Seems unreal. WHat do you think?
jurgens wrote:I don't even know what your trying to say. He plays fine even in the second half of extra time. Stamina isnt a big deal if 2011... players play great even with low stamina in the dieing mins.
Because with 58 is the worst of the worst in all the history.
Albo7 wrote:And as I also pointed out, your only arguments to support raising the mentality value by 10 points were "he tires in game" and "he is the worst ever in mentality", now that it seems you put some logic at your comments, you can continue arguing with jurgens.
vickingo_73 wrote:do you really think that Ortega FOR example is 7 points below Romario in terms of MENT?
Sounds totally strange and without sense that value to Ortega in those days, His lack of good mentality always was his worse problem, but I think that when he was younger (between 2000-2001) he made more about his tireness aptitude, I say, He never was a player with great condition, always unprepared and with alcoholic problems, BTW, his loveness to River and his "proper love" (I don't know if it's exactly the way to translate "amor propio") made counteract when he was tired and run only for the team, because he always wanted to stay in River, EVEN when he was in Europe, his heart always was in River.
jurgens wrote:I'd like to hear Uzairs reasoning on giving him mentality 58, most of his sets and values are great, some of the best in the classic database, I'm sure he had his reasons. I know a little of ortega and now he was a lazy fuck and never defended at all.. so I can understand why he has this value.
xeneize wrote:to me some stats are high to 2000/2001 era
i feel his TS/ACC/AGI/DA/DS and maybe ATT for the ortega of the 1998 without doubts
IMO the actual set is a mixture of the ortega of the 98 (BAL/TS/ACC/AGI/DA/DS) and the ortega of the 2001 (passes stats, shoot stats and CURL for example) is not completely for 2000/2001 ortega
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