Dragan Stojković | 1985-1990

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Dragan Stojković | 1985-1990

Postby PES Stats Database » 2009 Jan 24, 23:02

Nickname: Piksi ("Pixie")

Club: Red Star Belgrade



Growth type: Early/Lasting

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ADDITIONAL LINKS:

http://www.reprezentacija.rs/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1539&Itemid=12

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragan_Stojkovic

http://www.crvenazvezdafk.com/srecan-rodjendan-piksi-1626-s2-c19-video.htm (watch excellent video on the bottom of the page)

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Re: Dragan Stojković "Piksi", 85-90

Postby Classical » 2009 Feb 01, 21:10

I love this player and it was a shame that most part of his career was spent away from our close eyes. But even so, I think this data can be somewhat overrated, specially in dribble speed ,mentality and team work (he prefered to dribble when possible...or most of the times actually)

On the other hand, he had bigger shoot power. I remember a goal against Milan when he was very young.

Keep up the good work!

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Re: Dragan Stojković "Piksi", 85-90

Postby coolactive » 2009 Feb 01, 21:27

Classical wrote:I love this player and it was a shame that most part of his career was spent away from our close eyes. But even so, I think this data can be somewhat overrated, specially in dribble speed and mentality.

On the other hand, he had bigger shoot power. I remember a goal against Milan when he was very young.

Keep up the good work!


Thanx someone recognized this guy and wrote something about him :)
I must reply. If you have/had time to watch some videos in the link I posted, you will see his enormous effort in every game - even in late 90's when he was much older. He was a leader and a brain of a team. His goal vs Spain in 1990, when he full-streched defence and Zubizaretta after recieving a high ball from Katanec, earns that value - not to mention his other moves, mostly dribbling based.
About his shot power. Imo, 83 is quite accurate cause he is well-known by his precise FK shots, not power ones. This goal vs Milan in Belgrade that ended blow bar was really one of the few, every time he tries to kick ball harder, it goes out of bounds...

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Re: Dragan Stojković "Piksi", 85-90

Postby yourigo » 2009 Feb 02, 16:27

seriously, i think this guy is overrated in some things:

too much DS, could he really run almost as fast with or without the ball? i don't think so, besides the combination of da and tec already makes him a great dribbler.

passing and tw too high, especially TW. being the heart and soul of a team doesn't mean high tw, take maradona in napoli.

ment 93 seems high enough

response 95 - this one really doesn't make sense, i mean, you've got neeskens at 90, scholes at 90, and you seriously think this guy deserves 95? 90 is already too much, i say 88 at most.

so, my suggestions:
DS - 86
SPS - 84
TW - 87
RES - 88

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Re: Dragan Stojković "Piksi", 85-90

Postby coolactive » 2009 Feb 02, 16:55

seriously, i think this guy is overrated in some things:

too much DS, could he really run almost as fast with or without the ball? i don't think so, besides the combination of da and tec already makes him a great dribbler.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmvuE8o-79g 8-)

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Re: Dragan Stojković "Piksi", 85-90

Postby PMC » 2009 Feb 02, 17:08

some of this seems a bid overrated...

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Re: Dragan Stojković "Piksi", 85-90

Postby coolactive » 2009 Feb 02, 17:58

PMC wrote:some of this seems a bid overrated...


Dragan Stojkovic Side Attack (Turn , 1 on 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myezyAzJOtw

Dragan Stojkovic (Turn , Keep , Dribble)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnuozjALKc

vs Argentina in 1990 - he is not quilty for all those misses :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tEvMa0VND8

Long passing...mid 80s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBBD7OFcXL4

Goals collection 4 ex Yugoslavia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLBKt3bF4xs

etc.

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Re: Dragan Stojković "Piksi", 85-90

Postby Alcohomicide » 2009 Feb 02, 18:11

One of my all-time favourite number 10's. I know he had a great mentality, but 95? That's 3-4 yellows above 94. You've seen more of him than me, is he deserving of it??

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Re: Dragan Stojković "Piksi", 85-90

Postby coolactive » 2009 Feb 02, 18:18

He was a soul & heart of Red Star in that period and also in a NT. If you look at the rules and stats of other players it is too much but ...
Ok, I see there is too many of you think I overrated him so why dont we give it a vote. Please, agree on changes and I will be happy to make'em. Memory remains the same ;)

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Re: Dragan Stojković "Piksi", 85-90

Postby yourigo » 2009 Feb 02, 18:28

great attitude dude

as i've said before:
DS - 86
Res - 88
TW - 87
SPS - 84

and i still think it's too much

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Re: Dragan Stojković "Piksi", 85-90

Postby Alcohomicide » 2009 Feb 02, 18:44

You see, I know he was a hard worker, when I watched him I was blown away, he ran and ran. But you're right in that compared with other players it might be a bit too much.

"When we were winning leagues and European Cups at Real I always said Makelele was our most important player. There is no way myself Figo or Raúl would have been able to do what we did without Claude and the same goes for Liverpool and Gerrard."
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Re: Dragan Stojković "Piksi", 85-90

Postby Classical » 2009 Feb 02, 18:44

I liked the video agains rijkaard and milan, never saw it. From my understanding, I believe yourigo's suggestions (even if he thinks they are still over what they should) are good enough.

And based on that video, why not give him a slightly boost on balance and accelaration.

He may be overrated in some areas, but at the same time I believe he can be sharpened in other areas.

like this:

accelaration: 84
top speed: 80
balance: 79
dribble speed: 87
dribble acc: 95
mentality: 87 (please see the ladders on this one and compare with the likes of Nedved and Fritz Walter, both hardworking creative mids)

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Re: Dragan Stojković "Piksi", 85-90

Postby coolactive » 2009 Feb 02, 19:35

I see...
Nice thinking, I like it. Continue please, there is now another approach, similar but different in many ways ;)
Considering former Yugoslavia, Stojkovic was most creative on the field. Respect to all other players - Prosinecki, Boban etc. but he was above in that creative field

Vs Milan, dribble&finish at the begining of the video :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0JVdLqizOA

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Re: Dragan Stojković "Piksi", 85-90

Postby PMC » 2009 Feb 03, 01:19

I will peep the videos and give you some ideas... was he really that prolific as scorer to be rated as highly as Mutu nowadays?

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Re: Dragan Stojković "Piksi", 85-90

Postby Alcohomicide » 2009 Feb 03, 01:39

PMC wrote:I will peep the videos and give you some ideas... was he really that prolific as scorer to be rated as highly as Mutu nowadays?


I don't know his exact goal figures, but from the matches I've seen he was deadly when given the chance. Not a player I would want to let have the ball anywhere near or inside the box.

EDIT - 1986-1990 116 apps 54 goals

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Re: Dragan STOJKOVIĆ | 1985-90

Postby Brezza » 2009 Oct 21, 15:22

He's still got it :lol:



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Re: Dragan STOJKOVIĆ "Piksi "| 1985-90

Postby HFClub » 2009 Oct 21, 16:21

:lol:

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Re: Dragan STOJKOVIĆ "Piksi "| 1985-1990

Postby Classical » 2009 Oct 21, 19:59

eh eh always the same

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Re: Dragan STOJKOVIĆ "Piksi "| 1985-1990

Postby coolactive » 2009 Oct 21, 20:46

This is the original, 03-04-1988, 82th derby Red Star-Partizan. Piksi scores from half of the field - sadly, goal was neglected because of offside (???) :shock:


8-) 8-) 8-)

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Re: Dragan STOJKOVIĆ "Piksi "| 1985-1990

Postby Helios » 2009 Oct 23, 15:25



Better replay. Sick goal for sure. :D

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