Leonel Álvarez | 1989-1991

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Leonel Álvarez | 1989-1991

Postby PES Stats Database » 2009 Sep 26, 09:37

Club: Atlético Nacional | Real Valladolid


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Re: Leonel ALVAREZ | 1990-1994

Postby godoy22 » 2010 Jun 17, 01:38

Hi, Thanks for the stats.
Glad to see Leonel here, one of the best defensive minfielder ever.

I think the stats are pretty good just maybe a little more in long passes he was very good doing cross long passes.

And he is more remembered playing for Atletico Nacional (won libertadores cup in 1989) or playing for América de Cali (won Colombia league in 1992).
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Re: Leonel ALVAREZ | 1990-1994

Postby julgui » 2010 Sep 13, 23:27

After watching several matches complete NT of Colombia.

My SET of:

Name: Leonel ÁLVAREZ

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Club: Atlético Nacional | América de Cali | Real Valladolid
Number: 14
Position: DMF*, CMF
Nationality: Colombia _col
Era: 1989-1995
Age: 24-30 (29-07-1965)

Foot: R
Side: B

Height: 177 cm
Weight: 72 kg

Attack: 69 (-2)
Defence: 78 (+1)
Balance: 82 (-8)
Stamina: 86 (-5)
Top Speed: 76 (+1)
Acceleration: 77
Response: 85 (+3)
Agility: 76 (+6)
Dribble Accuracy: 77 (+1)
Dribble Speed: 79 (+4)
Short Pass Accuracy:86 (+7)
Short Pass Speed: 85 (+1)
Long Pass Accuracy: 83 (+7)
Long Pass Speed: 79 (-3)
Shot Accuracy: 69 (-1)
Shot Power: 82 (-3)
Shot Technique: 71 (+1)
Free Kick Accuracy: 69
Curling: 73 (+3)
Header: 78 (+1)
Jump: 80 (+3)
Technique: 85 (+3)
Aggression: 72 (-5)
Mentality/Tenacity: 88 (-7)
Goalkeeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 85 (-4)

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition/Fitness: 6
Weak Foot Accuracy: 6
Weak Foot Frequency: 6

CARDS:
P08 - Pinpoint Pass (*Optional) (Unable to see, I read that gave a lot of assists from his central position.)
P14 - Enforcer
S02 - Passer
S05 - 1-touch Play
S09 - Covering

SPECIAL ABILITIES:
*Tactical Dribble
*Centre

Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Defence Minded


INFO:
First Post.

Caps:
_col Colombia: 101 appearances | 1 goals

Clubs:
_col 1983-1987 Independiente Medellín
_col 1988-1989 Atlético Nacional
_col 1990 América de Cali
_esp 1990-1992 Real Valladolid 35 appearances
_col 1992-1995 América de Cali
_usa 1996 Dallas Burn 22 appearances | 3 goals
_mex 1997 Veracruz
_usa 1998-1999 Dallas Burn 48 appearances
_usa 1999-2001 New England Revolution 58 appearances | 2 goals
_col 2002 Deportivo Pereira 25 appearances | 1 goals
_col 2003-2004 Deportes Quindío 16 appearances

HONOURS:
_mex 1994-1995 Copa México - Necaxa
_mex 1994-1995 Primera División México - Necaxa
_mex 1994-1995 Supercopa Mexicana - Necaxa
_mex 1994 Recopa de la CONCACAF - Necaxa
_mex 1995-1996 Primera División México - Necaxa
_mex 1998 Torneo de Invierno - Necaxa
_mex 1999 Copa de Campeones de la CONCACAF - Necaxa


ADDITIONAL LINKS:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonel_%C3%81lvarez

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonel_%C3%81lvarez

http://www.national-football-teams.com/ ... p?id=14284

http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/alvarez-intl.html

Explanation:
ATT/DEF:
I honestly expected to see a much more offensive player with great participation of attack. None of this is so. Just spent half court, and that his real mission was to recover the ball.
Just spent half court, and that his real mission was to recover the ball.
So IMO 63/78 is a good ratio by the way they move in the field.
Physical Attributes (BAL -STA-TS- ACC-RES-AGI):
Good body, I used to move slightly. Stealing balls by anticipating your response and use of the body (also 90 asking for too much in balance as well as their lack of agility). My attention precisely their limited mobility and be a player rather slow.
Dribbling:
Very little movement. Dribbling very short. Ideal Tactical Dribble, to accommodate. Even so several runs seemed to go faster than the ball. So the difference between DA and DS
Passes:
Featured attribute Leonel Alvarez. 90% of the time playing one-touch. Always mate. Quite clearly, circling the ball and short.
In the case of LP, I could not see a lot but he is a player with enough accuracy although it was not so common.
Shoot
Unfortunately I never saw him shooting. So for your average goal (almost at least) does not seem to be his forte. So I propose standars values.
SP: 82 is a pretty decent value.
Technical Attributtes (HEA-JUM-TEC)
Decent his header and jump. Nothing fancy but it deserves a low value.
With respect to TECH, shout it very well. Dominates the ball well, you clearly know it down. A very technical DMF despite having defensive functions.
Mental Attributes (AGG-MEN-TW):
As I said before did not reach the area almost never rival. Even if he was at times in advance.
Your MENT and TW is remarkable. Discussing and never complaining a lot, setting rates, helping the team. At the point of almost fighting with Lotthars Matteus speaks d a player with a great MEN. A true leader.
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Re: Leonel ALVAREZ | 1990-1994

Postby xeneize » 2011 Mar 25, 23:40

really had so low agility?
i like some numbers of julgui's set...
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Re: Leonel ALVAREZ | 1990-1994

Postby jorgecavs » 2011 Mar 26, 03:28

yes, I also like the set of julgui.
72 kg and Balance: 90 is not consistent for me.
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Re: Leonel ALVAREZ | 1990-1994

Postby NGTXZ » 2011 Apr 03, 13:37

Mmm.. but is the same as Tévez, 73 kg and 172cm, and he have 89 in BB. but im pretty sure that they deserves this values.
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Re: Leonel ALVAREZ | 1990-1994

Postby jorgecavs » 2011 Apr 03, 19:53

But Alvarez is not one of the best DMF in history, was noted for his great display and good technique.
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Re: Leonel ALVAREZ | 1990-1994

Postby Brezza » 2011 Apr 08, 16:16

From what Ive seen of him he had decent strength, solid passer of the ball maybe slightly better technically on the ball although that entire Colombia 94 was great technically, but DA could be closer to Alonso. I think he was more of a deep laying playmaker enforcer , he complimented Valderrama really well as he did all the running for him.Stamina could be level with Gareth Barry on 88 I would also put teamwork on a similar rating. Decent mentality but he wasnt a Gattuso/Tardelli esque hound, he more or less controlled play from a deep position and relied on his decent reading on the game, I saw some pretty strong slide tackles here and there, quite a muscular build despite height/weight, Id rate Balance the same as De Jong.

I think Anchor man might suit him whenever he ventured forward to attempt a telling pass ( by forward I mean the halfway line ) he'd always rush back into that sitting role so your right to lower agression. He had a decent range of passing so I wouldnt drop LPS.

I think dribble speed is better in the first post, pretty slow pass receive player, and unlike Valderrama he wasnt great over the first few meters on the ball to get ahead of his markers

I assume 1-touch pass was added as it affects passing in the new game?
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Re: Leonel ALVAREZ | 1990-1994

Postby Brezza » 2011 Apr 23, 16:10

Updated with to new format and added Julgui's set with some slight tweaks. added abit more info about his playstyle in the above post.

Attack: 71>69 Defence: 77>78, Balance: 90>85, Stamina: 91>88, Top Speed: 75>76, Response: 82>85, Agility: 70>76, Dribble Accuary: 78>78, Short Pass Accuracy: 79>86, Short Pass Speed: 84>85, Long Pass Accuracy: 76>85 Shot accuracy: 70>69, Shot Power: 85>82, Shot Technique: 70>71, Curling: 70>73, Header: 77>78, Jump: 83>80, Technique: 82>85, Agression: 77>72, Mentality: 95>88, Teamwork: 89>87.

Added Cards: P02: Anchor Man P06: Pinpoint Pass P12: Enforcer S02: Passer S09: Covering
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Re: Leonel ÁLVAREZ | 1990-1995

Postby JeffVR98 » 2017 Jul 11, 15:10

Could be updated, passing skills are a little bit overrated, could be decreased also the era has to be 1989-1994 (1995 ?) to include his performance in the 1989 Atletico Nacional CL Champion.
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Re: Leonel ÁLVAREZ | 1990-1995

Postby Vickingo » 2017 Jul 11, 15:37

I watched him quite a bit meanwhile making Valderrama's vids and other matches but never focused 100% on him. He was a really classy player, probably best Colombian dmf ever but I can't say concrete numbers. About era, it shouldn't be more than 3 years +-. If anyone can elaborate about changes, i'd be pleased to update him.
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Re: Leonel ÁLVAREZ | 1990-1995

Postby Claudio14 » 2017 Jul 11, 15:50

Vickingo wrote:I watched him quite a bit meanwhile making Valderrama's vids and other matches but never focused 100% on him. He was a really classy player, probably best Colombian dmf ever but I can't say concrete numbers. About era, it shouldn't be more than 3 years +-. If anyone can elaborate about changes, i'd be pleased to update him.


The set should begin in the 89' because that year atlético nacional won the copa libertadores against olimpia and problably the era should be until 94' covering the 2 world cup he participed.

Although i dunno if the set should be about the teams he played or his time on the colombian NT.
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Re: Leonel ÁLVAREZ | 1990-1995

Postby Vickingo » 2017 Jul 11, 16:42

I repeat: era set shouldn't be over 3 years. In the past, some users gave like 10 years and that isn't true at all...a player develops and increase/decrease the level over the years so it isn't fair or trustable to have the same set in this case 1989 and 1995. A lot of different factors impact on players' sets...specially physical and obviously tactically in different teams and coaches, so won't be the same.
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Re: Leonel ÁLVAREZ | 1990-1995

Postby JeffVR98 » 2017 Jul 11, 16:49

Well my suggestions will be only for the era 1989-1994 (obvius reasons)
(Also i'm not agree of updated only based on NT games, that is the worst way of rated players, because they can play like gods in their clubs and on their NT are like peasents)

- Pinpoint Pass should be deleted, he can do excellents crossings in the game but if you see the ratio of attemps is not worth of it.
-CMF can be added, his technicals skills give him that benefict and sometimes he was putted in a more forward position.
-STA should be on 87 at least a difference of 3 points, i rated chicho serna on low orange levels (90), and comparing the two, Serna, show more endurance on the games.

-SPA and SPS could be rated in the same number 83-84 (83-83 LPA - LPS), for sure he was a classy dmf but it why compare his level with a typical amf that has an average number beetwen 86-88, it's really to high for him, is better keep a "average" value for him.

- About HEA he has some chances that he can handled very well, but in-game 78 is pretty much decent number, and also not display his quality in that aspect, i will let him beetwen a value of 74-75.

- For some reason i see his TMW in a middle yellow/orange value (89-90) the guy was a very helpfully player, mostly he tryed to be placed in a position were his TM's can be comfortable.
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Re: Leonel ÁLVAREZ | 1990-1995

Postby Claudio14 » 2017 Jul 11, 16:51

10 years..thats way over the top. So, to me he's set should be covered to 1989-1991:

Atlético nacional copa libertadores champion (1989)
WC Italy 90
Copa América second place (1991)
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Re: Leonel Álvarez | 1989-1991

Postby Vickingo » 2017 Jul 11, 17:23

Well added to the DB and made some minor changes. Lemme go around some matches, I've always been interested in 90's Colombian football because of great talents like this guy but never could review it. I didn't change his passing cause anytime I watched this guy seemed me -as Brezza said- a really solid passer.

(Also i'm not agree of updated only based on NT games, that is the worst way of rated players, because they can play like gods in their clubs and on their NT are like peasents)


Well, that could be true but finding lots of full matches from Atletico Nacional or Real Valladolid in early 90's is not easy tbh. If you have 'em, please share them in here so we all can work on it. Otherwise we must make the best we can, it's not like we have all the matches we want to watch and analyse.
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