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Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 09, 17:42

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Re: Pepe REINA

Postby Audacity » 2009 Jan 17, 11:08

Agree, Reina's passing stats have to improve.

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Re: Pepe REINA

Postby fishdalf » 2009 Jan 17, 11:13

But i was only suggesting those values if a raise in all keepers stats went up. If not then obviously those values will fall a little lower.

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Re: Pepe REINA

Postby Vandeach » 2009 Jan 18, 09:24

fishdalf wrote:But i was only suggesting those values if a raise in all keepers stats went up. If not then obviously those values will fall a little lower.


I've always proposed this but never got too much of a response I'm definetley with you on that one though.

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Re: Pepe REINA

Postby fishdalf » 2009 Jan 18, 09:39

fishdalf wrote:Defence: 90 (+4)
Given 90 defence, Cech 92, Van Der Sar 92, Casillas 94, Reina 86? Why why why, what's so wrong with his defensive skills that put him below these guys?

Shot Power: 90
Same as Van Der Sar, this has already been discussed numerous times, can whack that ball hard and far.

Mentality: 83 (+2)
A SUPERB Mentality, i believe an 83 is easily justified. He lives and breathes everything for his club, never gives up on anything.

Keeper Skills: 87 (+2)
Yes he used to suffer from handling errors but now he hardly ever loses the ball, no more than the likes of Van Der Sar who sits on 88. Why should he be on a much lower value than him? At least an 87 in my opinion, at least.

Team Work: 80 (+1)
Superb communication with his backline now and always the first pass in many team moves, a real leader of the Liverpool team too. Peter Cech is on 80 and i certainly believe he deserves a similar value.

Oh and as i've already stated, Injury Tolerance of A.


So what's wrong with these?

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Re: Pepe REINA

Postby jmg721 » 2009 Jan 18, 09:49

fishdalf wrote:Keeper Skills: 87 (+2)
Yes he used to suffer from handling errors but now he hardly ever loses the ball, no more than the likes of Van Der Sar who sits on 88. Why should he be on a much lower value than him? At least an 87 in my opinion, at least.

I believe I already mentioned concerns about the Def boost previously. As far as KS goes, I'm not really certain. I have noticed in the Serie A that 84 seems to be average, so 85 would be decent or better than average. There aren't many over an 87 in the serie A.
96: Gianluigi BUFFON
91: JULIO CESAR
87: Sebastien FREY

How long has Reina's handling been in this form? And is it possibly that 88 for Van Der Sarr is generous? :? I really don't know the answers there.

I liked your explanations for the other values ;)

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Re: Pepe REINA

Postby fishdalf » 2009 Jan 18, 09:50

His handling? Pretty much this good for the last 2 seasons.

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Re: Pepe REINA

Postby jmg721 » 2009 Jan 18, 09:53

fishdalf wrote:His handling? Pretty much this good for the last 2 seasons.
That seems like a reasonable amount of time 8-)

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Re: Pepe REINA

Postby Alcohomicide » 2009 Jan 18, 14:57

jmg721 wrote:And is it possibly that 88 for Van Der Sarr is generous? :?
It is a very generous stat given his handling over the last couple of years. Any other team and he'd be punished for his drops.

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Re: Pepe REINA

Postby Vandeach » 2009 Jan 18, 17:26

I really do feel 85 for GK Skills is fine I might possibly agree to an 86 at a push but I don't feel his handling's on par with Howard and Frey.

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Re: Pepe REINA

Postby fishdalf » 2009 Jan 18, 17:28

Even if you can't get on board with the handling straight away, can the obvious thing's like mentality, shot power and injury at least be looked at?

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Re: Pepe REINA

Postby Vandeach » 2009 Jan 18, 17:40

I agree with those I think most people do.

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Re: Pepe REINA

Postby 21-Lucas-21 » 2009 Jan 24, 02:09

In the brackets I show how much better rated other prem keepers are.
(Given) (Cech) (Van Der Sar) (James) (Gomes!)

Attack: 35 (30) (30) (30) (30) (30)
Defence: 86 (90) (92) (94) (87) (85)
Balance: 84 (83) (92) (84) (92) (90)
Response: 94 (94) (95) (90) (92) (93)
Agility: 82 (80) (80) (75) (78) (78)
Short Pass Accuracy: 57 (55) (52) (51) (56)
Short Pass Speed: 65 (68) (65) (53) (56) (68)
Long Pass Acc.: 67 (64) (58) (60) (60) (57)
Long Pass Speed: 65 (69) (70) (69) (66) (69)
Shot Power: 88 (85) (88) (90) (90) (85)
Jump: 86 (83) (85) (76) (82) (86)
Mentality: 81 (83) (77) (83) (77) (79)
Keeper Skills: 85 (89) (90) (88) (87) (86)

I think they should be:
Attack: 35
Defence: 86
Balance: 86 (+2)
Agility: 82
SPA: 57
SPS: 66 (+1)
LPA: 68 (+1)
LPS: 70 (+5)
Shot Power: 88
Jump: 86
Mentality: 81
Keeper Skills: 88 (+3)

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Re: Pepe REINA

Postby jmg721 » 2009 Jan 24, 08:07

Good Visual Lucas 8-)

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Re: Pepe REINA

Postby Audacity » 2009 Jan 24, 08:27

Agree with all of fishdalf's suggestions. It's ridiculous how underrated he is.

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Re: Pepe REINA

Postby Nrby » 2009 Jan 24, 08:34

I still would stick to GK skills 85 ... I just see him at that level of actual ball catching

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Re: Pepe REINA

Postby Alcohomicide » 2009 Jan 24, 18:03

Nrby wrote:I still would stick to GK skills 85 ... I just see him at that level of actual ball catching


Would you lower Edwin, then? Given the amount of times he drops the ball??

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Re: Pepe REINA

Postby TheTrueSeto » 2009 Jan 25, 04:58

Alcohomicide wrote:
Nrby wrote:I still would stick to GK skills 85 ... I just see him at that level of actual ball catching


Would you lower Edwin, then? Given the amount of times he drops the ball??


I believe VDS has a better grip of the ball.

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Re: Pepe REINA

Postby Alcohomicide » 2009 Jan 25, 06:35

TheTrueSeto wrote:
Alcohomicide wrote:
Nrby wrote:I still would stick to GK skills 85 ... I just see him at that level of actual ball catching


Would you lower Edwin, then? Given the amount of times he drops the ball??


I believe VDS has a better grip of the ball.


I don't. :D VDS is a great shot stopper, but he drops the ball regularly.
If crosses are coming in manic he can be just as flappy and punchy as Reina can. :?

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Re: Pepe REINA

Postby fillerup » 2009 Jan 25, 10:04

yes indeed, i agree w/ lowering VDSs GK skill. his handling is pretty much the reason why ManU def is weak arieally

as to the "obvious" suggestions, i agree w/ them

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Re: Pepe REINA

Postby 21-Lucas-21 » 2009 Jan 25, 13:42

I also think Cech stats should be lowered. He's still a good keeper but nothing like he used to be, as portrayed with the current stats.

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