Cristiano Ronaldo | 2003-04 | 2006-07 | 2007-08 | 2010-12

[p1rha]

Club: Manchester United



Growth type: Early/Lasting

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Club: Real Madrid



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[bssm]

I don't think he is any faster then now, but there should be a difference between the DS and Acc of peak and current Ronaldo.
I agree with the rest, curling could be 89 and current Ronaldo raised as well.

Also is he going to get a consistency value, current Ronaldo has 7 but is not anywhere near as consistent as peak ronaldo, who shouldn't get an 8 either.

Peak Ronaldo - 7
Current Ronaldo - 6?

[Jez]

The fact he has bulked up some more and of course suffered his first major injury this season could suggest otherwise though. I think his acceleration at least could be 1 point higher. But either way, his speed stas at the bare minumum should be level with current ronaldo.
Makes no sense to have better Dribbling though. It really was no different then than it is now. If anything, he has started to dribble more this season (or at least more effectively) at madrid than he did at United. Dribbling took second place behind his goal threat which took centre stage this season. His off the ball running was put to far better use than his dribbling. Just because it was his 'best' season doesn't mean he was a better dribbler, far from. Consistency suggestion also doesn't make sense. He should have 8 for this season. When did he ever play badly? And a 6 for current Ronaldo? Based on what? 12 goals in 11 games doesn't sound like a 6 to me. Having seen a lot of Madrid this season I can say he is easily worthy of a 7.

[bssm]

I think current Ronaldo does deserve a 7, i just don't think the peak one should get an 8 for basically one season, to me its something you get over a few seasons.

[Jez]

Except the stats are based on one season. And within that season he showed a consistency worthy of an 8. Classic stats show a period of time not taking into acount seasons prior or after the set dates. In this instance the stats are from 07 to 08 and within that period he deserved an 8 for consistency. Imo anyway.

[lfc 4 eva]

His stats for 07/08 should be more or less the same as now tbh. But with maybe slight changes in Balance and Speed.

[p1rha]

Balance: yeah but he just dived too much, more than now i think. Plus he wasn't really as strong as now, he seems to keep puting weight on, probably he just wants to be like A. Schwazneger.

Response: with his atack value, his accelaration, his agression and the "free roaming" card that's guaranteed. Imo 85 is already too high, i can't remember one goal of clear antecipation to the defender.

Agility: He was more agile i'm sure... In fact i have some doubts current Ronaldo deserves his value. But i gave it a tought and one of the things that agility does is that it helps escaping from tackles, i mean players are tackled, many times even in the legs, but they don't fall. They somehow squeeze like gely and make their way, and that's not much like Cristiano . Though he was incredible agile (red deserving i say) in the sense that he could turn and move his legs so fast.

Long Pass Speed: His crosses are fast, too fast many times. I'll keep that one at least for now. Considering Roberto Carlos has a 95 for LPS, i think Cristiano deserves his 90. People are just too conservative in this area.

Shot Accuracy: 84 His accuracy is nothing special and many times he doesn't even place his shots, still his shot is very dangerous. I'm not sure, maybe.

Curling: 90 - Isn't he going to be too dangerous from close range?
Header: 88 - I though of that too. Let's see what others think, i think i'm ok with it.

Team Work: His TW ability is bad. Someone once said here at PSDB in the CR vs Messi thread that CR was a better player but Messi played football better and i totally agree with that. Ronaldo's skill is imense, but sometimes he just seems to be dumb, he wants to be the key figure every match. Ronaldo is all about being faster, stronger, jumping higher, do the fastest dribbles and so on... just compare him to Kaka... 10 points are not enough to make the diference between the two imo. Tbh, it even hurts to give him 75.

Shot power 90 - agree.

[Luisao82]

His DS shouldn't be so high. Better yet, his Dribbling stats are overrated.

He often loses control of the ball when he tries to dribble at high speed. Really, his main asset in this area is his Accel rather than any other thing. How many times have we saw him doing dissimulated runs or penetrations which ended with the possession going to the opposition and him ending on the floor whining? He's not so good as his Dribbling stats suggest.


My suggestions:

DA: 88 (-1 than Camoranesi... yes, Camoranesi is a better dribbler than CR9 ever was)
DS: 89 (Mancini has 90 and I always thought his DS was better and more effective than CR9's)


On the other way, his SPS needs a considerable increase. An 87 maybe.

[bssm]

I actually think his dribble speed has gotten worse but his accuracy has gotten better.

I wouldn't go as low as 88 DA but i don't see him 5 points better then Arshavin either, he wasn't as good as Xavi is now either he also isn't that much better then Robben who is on 89.

2007-2008 Ronaldo

DA 90/91
DS 96

Current Ronaldo

DA 92/93
DS 94

His jump wasn't any better then current ronaldo either.

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85 Free kick accuracy?

He is not even worth that now and he is more accurate, its an official stat that in this season his conversion rate on free kicks was 7% out of over 100 free kick attempts.

[Kanouté]

This is the first time I saw this set. I really really like it.

[Sui Generis]

He wasnt this fast during this era with these speed stats he is 2 points away from prime henry and thats just not true... He relied on agilty and DA/DS more than pure pace back then.

He has changed as player in the past 2 seasons. Current ronaldo is much faster and bulkier, but he has also lost a lot of agility and his dribbling just isnt the same. If you watch some videos from 06-08 videos you will see he was a much better dribbler back then compared to now. He was much smoother and consistantly able to beat a couple players using DA and AGL, opposed to now where he just looks for space to sprint.

he never had this much pace combined with this high agility and dribbling stats (this is a hybrid ronaldo), there needs to be a significant change in stats between this ronaldo and the current one cuz they are really different players.

[Review]

2006/2007 Cristiano Ronaldo



By Red Phoenix

[besthunter]

^ ridiculos stats imo

when I see stats like these I just wonder.... has the creator ever played the game vs people? creating players this good is an absolute nightmare to play against and tottaly unrealistic to boot.

[Nrby]

@Review ... just as a note ... I talked to Red a long time ago when he was still active on PSD ... and we agreed that we have different standards and his stats won't work here even he admitted that ... I respect his stats and they are good when used in his environment ... at one point I had OF's for pes 6 with a lot of his stats and they work if all players are rated to his standard ... but mixing the 2 standards won't work

[reckless]

Dribble accuracy should be 88. I've never see him go on mazy runs where he beats 2 or more defenders. He usually does a bunch of stepovers and then passes or shoots. He rarely goes past players using close control and change of direction. He simply does not have this ability. Even guys like Joaquin Sanchez and Jesus Navas are better than him at dribbling.

[Classical]

I have to disagree with reckless and with review's stats - they don't seem accurate to me, but that's obvious, let me discuss reckless arguments.

One can't devolute while getting a better player. And C. Ronaldo from last 2 years is a better player than 5 years ago. I believe about this there is no argument against.

Point is he was clearly instructed to adopt a kind of game that would benefit his team's needs the most (while highlighting his play at the same time) that was the false left winger position turing to second striker with the quick transitions.

And it was essentialy due to that tactical approach that he stopped dwelling so much on the ball when he could gain position with a quick burst.
I like the technique dribblings and the show itself but we must face it: Ronaldo is a better player now, and not because he is better at some skills and worse at others: it is because he started playing in the way that proved better. He didn't lose anything in the middle.

My opinion. (I was at the stadium watching him with 17 years doing crazy snaps on the likes of Neville or Ferdinand. It is difficult to me coping with statements defending he lost his dribble touch after 6 years at MU and Real).

[reckless]

So you think he's as good a dribbler as Rivaldo who also has a dribble accuracy of 93? I agree C Ronaldo has excellent ball control while static, however when he starts running with the ball his control is nothing special and he also doesn't have that good balance to change direction. Kaka and Robben are two modern players who are far better dribblers than C Ronaldo.
Max dribble accuracy of 90.

[Mrky_MNE]

2007-2008 - I think he needs Speed Merchant.

[Classical]

reckless: I have the opinion where C. Ronaldo looses both to Kaka and Rivaldo in DA. (I am speaking about kaka/rivaldo/ronaldo prime)


But Rivaldo would never dribble the same as C. Ronaldo (due to Ronaldo's demon speed with the ball).

Kaka prime has better da and even ds than Ronaldo.
I remember young Kaka from Sao Paolo and his best years at Milan running so quick with the ball...but with flair and a nice pass.

About Ronaldo, my main point is still the same: he found (or was trained to) ways of helping his team more than just appealing the fans at the sideline. Ronaldo, as an added value to his team needs is a more complete and determinant player than he was before.

You see, with 17/18 years in his first season in the premier league, he was dribbling 2, 3 adversaries. He was doing lollypops and aerial dives to get that yellow card while pissing the other guy.
He still knows how to do it, he actually likes to do it and sometimes he can't resist it.

He didn't loose DA, he simply doesn't relly so much on it. Rivaldo if he was quicker (and he was at Palmeiras and Deportivo) he would be running much more because he would know a small burst would do the trick to get focus with the goal (or anything else for the matter) rather than loosing some valuable 2 or 3 extra seconds trying to fool the other guys (and the sucess odds of thins being lower as well).

You have to be able to trace and filter all of a players characteristics to fully understand his way of playing and his real capabilities.
Also, with already know players, a little bit of research doesn't hurt. You should see videos of C. Ronaldo in Sporting and 1st season at MU and, why not, try to check some old Rivaldo clips to see if I'm right or not when I say that Rivaldo was using speed when young when he already had a splendid dribble (in which he had to focus more later as the speed was fading...)


Toughts? Anyone?

[Basilio]

shouldnt exist a ronaldo madrid's era ? it's relatevily his best era, and it would help a lot on attack classic ladders

[Fantasista]

Dribbling stats in every set are overrated. Especially the younger one(BTW do we need 02/03 CR?). Younger Ronaldo shouldn't have anything above da:88 and ds:93. 2007/08 should have 92 for da. He wasn't(esp when he was a teen) a master of control. Even with lower dribble stats he still will be able quick stepovers due to great agility.
Edit: Not sure but maybe 07/08 should be lowered in ds by one point too?