Oliver Kahn | 2001-2002

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Oliver Kahn | 2001-2002

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Club: FC Bayern Munich



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Oliver Rolf Kahn born in 15 June 1969 is a former German football goalkeeper. He started his career in the Karlsruher SC Junior team. He had his debut game in the professional squad in 1987. In 1994, he was transferred to Bayern Munich for the fee of 4,600,000 DM, where he played until the end of his career in 2008.

He is one of the most successful German players in recent history, having won eight German championships, six German cups, the UEFA Cup (1996), the UEFA Champions League and the Intercontinental Cup (both 2001). His individual contributions have earned him four consecutive UEFA Best European Goalkeeper awards, three IFFHS World's Best Goalkeeper awards, and two German Footballer of the Year trophies. At the 2002 FIFA World Cup, he became the first and only goalkeeper in the tournament's history to win the Golden Ball.
From 1994 to 2006, Kahn was part of the German national team, in which he played as a starter after the retirement of Andreas Köpke. In the 2002 FIFA World Cup, the team reached the Finals. While the team was several times derided for their poor performance, Kahn's prowess proved to be the deciding factor in several games up until the final, where Germany lost to Brazil 0–2 and Kahn received criticism for two blunders. Nonetheless, he was named the tournament's best player and received the Golden Ball award.

At the age of six, Kahn joined Karlsruher SC, where his father Rolf had played from 1962 to 1965. He started as an outfield player before becoming goalkeeper. He was included at the team's professional squad in the 1987–88 season of the first Bundesliga division, at first being the reserve goalkeeper behind Alexander Famulla. On 27 November 1987, Kahn made his league debut in a 4–0 home victory against 1. FC Köln. However, not until 1990 did manager Winfried Schäfer decide to start him over Famulla. In the following years, Kahn established himself as the team's starting goalkeeper. He was considered a key player and a motivator in the Karlruher squad which reached the semi finals in the 1993–94 UEFA Cup. During the round of sixteen the team accomplished a 7–0 rout of Valencia at its home field after losing the first match 1–3 at the Mestalla Stadium. The game was nicknamed the "Miracle at Wildparkstadion" by the German media. The team was defeated by the SV Austria Salzburg in the next round.
Kahn's performance for Karlsruher SC prompted Bayern Munich to express interest in acquiring him. The team signed him as a replacement for Raimond Aumann at the beginning of the 1994–95 season, for the record fee of 4,600,000 DM (€2,385,000) for his position, and was established as Bayern’s starting goalkeeper. Although suffering a rupture of his cruciate ligament, which kept him off the field for almost six months, he played his first game for Germany's national team two months after his return. Bayern defeated Bordeaux in the 1996 UEFA Cup Final. In the 1996–97 Bundesliga season, Kahn archived his first German championship with Bayern Munich, the German League Cup, and was named German goalkeeper of the year for the second time in his career (the first in 1994).

In 1999, Bayern Munich reached the 1999 Champions League Final, facing Manchester United at Camp Nou. Although Bayern Munich player Mario Basler scored an early goal in the sixth minute of the game, two goals by Teddy Sheringham and Ole Gunnar Solskjær in injury time led to United's victory. The same year, he was named World Goalkeeper of the Year by the International Federation of Football History and Statistics.
Kahn was sent off in an incident against Hansa Rostock on 3 March 2001. With his Bayern Munich team losing 2–3 in the final minutes, he snuck into the area during a corner kick, jumped up, and punched the ball into the opponent’s net. He immediately received a red card, which dismissed him from the game. He was named Man of the Match when he was part of the squad which played the 2001 Champions League title against Valencia. He played an important role in the penalty shootout held after the teams remained tied 1–1 after extra time, making three saves. He also received the UEFA Fair Play Award for this match, after he walked up to a disappointed Santiago Cañizares, the opposition goalkeeper, after the penalties and attempted to comfort him. The same year, Bayern Munich won the International Cup at Tokyo's National Stadium against the Argentine team Boca Juniors.

By Kahn's account, injuries, personal problems and a lack of motivation were responsible for his game going into a rapid decline during the 2002–03 season. This culminated with Kahn allowing a seemingly soft shot by Roberto Carlos into the net against Real Madrid in the first knockout-round of the 2003–04 Champions League season, contributing to the elimination of his team from the competition. The Daily Mail criticized him for his mistake: "Once again on the big occasion Kahn was undone by a Brazilian, just as he was in the 2002 World Cup Final. Only this time it was a Roberto Carlos free-kick which he let slip, not a Ronaldo shot, for a goal as embarrassing as it is potentially catastrophic for Bayern". Bayern Munich won the next Bundesliga season with Kahn.
Prior to a 2006 match against Arminia Bielefeld in Munich, Michael Rensing peppered Kahn with practice shots. One shot hit Kahn squarely in the eye, causing enough swelling and discoloration to keep him from playing. With Rensing in goal, Bayern Munich won the match 2–0.

Kahn announced his intention to honor his contract and play through the 2007–08 season. As of 2011, he is the all time clean sheet leader in the history of the Bundesliga, with 197. On 2 September 2007, aged 38, he played his 535th Bundesliga match, becoming the league's all time leader among goalkeepers in matches played. Kahn made his final European appearance for Bayern in a 4–0 defeat to Zenit Saint Petersburg in the UEFA cup semi-final on 1 May 2008. His last Bundesliga game was the 4–1 victory against Hertha Berlin on 17 May.
After a twenty year-career, of which he played fourteen with Bayern, he had his professional farewell in a testimonial match versus the select Germany XI on 2 September 2008, which ended 1–1. His last appearance for Bayern Munich was on 27 May 2008 at the Salt Lake Stadium (Yuvabharati Krirangan), Kolkata in a friendly against Mohun Bagan of India during Bayern's Asian tour of 2008. Around 120,000 people turned up for the match. The match ended 0–3 in favour of Bayern and Michael Rensing substituted him in the 55th minute.

Kahn was initially called for the German national team as a late back-up for the 1994 FIFA World Cup; however he made his first international appearance in a 2–1 victory against Switzerland on 23 June 1995, two months after recovering from his cruciate ligament injury. Along with Oliver Reck, Kahn was a reserve keeper of the squad, which won the 1996 UEFA European Football Championship in England. He spent the 1998 FIFA World Cup in France on the bench, and it was not until Andreas Köpke announced his retirement at the end of the tournament that Kahn became the starting goalkeeper. Two years after the 2000 UEFA European Football Championship, in which defending champions Germany made an embarrassing exit in the group stage, Kahn received the squad's captaincy, succeeding the striker Oliver Bierhoff.

Kahn experienced one of his worst performances in his international career against England in Munich in 2001. Germany were favored to win as they had beaten England in 2000 1–0 at Wembley stadium. However, they were routed 5–1, including a hat-trick by Michael Owen. Despite the defeat, Germany qualified for the World Cup after winning a playoff against Ukraine, and Kahn remained as Germany's number one for the upcoming Cup. Kahn was named the best goalkeeper in the world by IFFHS for the second time in his career.

Despite Germany's comparatively low expectations when for the 2002 FIFA World Cup, the team advanced to the finals; Kahn allowed only three goals in the course of the competition, two of which were in the Final. Playing the final match with torn ligaments in his right ring finger, Kahn allowed the first goal by fumbling a rebounded shot from Rivaldo to the feet of striker Ronaldo in the 67th minute. Once the game was over with Brazil as the new champion, he stood alone and disappointed in his goal; nevertheless he refused to blame his injury for his mistake. (David Haye should learn from him)

"There is no consolation... It was the only mistake I made in seven games and it was brutally punished." - Oliver Kahn's statements after the final of the 2002 World Cup.


The FIFA Technical Study Group awarded him with the Lev Yashin Award for the best goalkeeper of the tournament, and became the first goalkeeper in history to win the Golden Ball for the best individual performance. He also became the first German goalkeeper to keep five clean sheets in a World Cup tournament. Kahn maintained his number one spot for the 2004 UEFA European Football Championship, but Germany were once again eliminated in the group stage. Oliver Kahn gave up his captaincy to Michael Ballack after the tournament.

Germany's new manager Jürgen Klinsmann, who replaced Rudi Völler, adopted the strategy of rotating the number one spot between Kahn and his longtime competitor, Jens Lehmann of Arsenal, to stimulate competition between the two. On 7 April 2006, after two years of dispute for the position Klinsmann announced Lehmann was his first-choice goalkeeper for the 2006 World Cup. Kahn decided to stay on as a backup for the competition; despite their acrimonious pre-tournament battle for Germany’s starting role, Kahn openly accepted Klinsmann’s decision. Kahn and Lehmann embraced and shook hands as the former offered words of encouragement before the quarter-final penalty shootout against Argentina. In the postgame conference, Kahn publicly praised Lehmann for his two decisive penalty saves.

After Germany was eliminated in the semi-finals by Italy, Kahn was given the start for the third place play-off held on 8 July 2006, which Germany won 3–1 against Portugal. In what was his last international appearance for Germany, he also received the captaincy of the team in the absence of the injured Michael Ballack. Although overshadowed by Bastian Schweinsteiger’s game-winning performance in the match, Kahn played to a high standard, pulling off several saves. Kahn deflected a shot by Portuguese forward Pauleta after he beat the German defence, and later saved Deco's shot made from just inside the penalty area. Following the match, Oliver Kahn announced his retirement from the German National Team. Throughout his international career he earned 86 caps for Germany, including 49 as team captain. He never won a World Cup, but finished as runner-up in 2002 and third in 2006



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Re: Oliver KAHN | 2001-2002

Postby zguc » 2010 Jul 19, 08:39

If they lock the debate, then let them explain why they wish before the lock or offer their opinions and values for certain players...

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Re: Oliver KAHN | 2001-2002

Postby Albo7 » 2010 Jul 19, 08:43

Well, they didn't with Zidane, Yashin, etc...

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Re: Oliver KAHN | 2001-2002

Postby julgui » 2010 Jul 19, 12:37

Bret_Hart_67 wrote:Attack: 35
Defence: 96
Balance: 95
Response: 97
Shot Power: 90
Jump: 88
Mentality/Tenacity: 95
Goalkeeper Skills: 93
Team Work: 90



WOWWWW, is Oliver Kahn? Noooooooo IS SUPERMAN! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Oliver KAHN | 2001-2002

Postby Albo7 » 2010 Jul 19, 20:46

He is no superman, he is "Der Titan"! He is the most complete GK since Lev Yashin. Buffon, Casillas and these other guys were a joke comparing to him during his best form. He is the only GK known in history to take on his shoulders (along with Ballack of course) a relatively weak german side to the final of a World Cup and he is the only GK to ever win the Golden Ball!

Was WC 2002 lacking talents since he won the "Golden Ball"?
Players like R9 (he scored 8 freaking goals!!), Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Zidane, Henry, Bobo Vieri, Raul, etc... were at their peak (not to mention Batistuta, Hierro,Owen, etc), while above all these talents, this Lion who you are "joking" with, came out as the best! So better think twice before joking about Oli Kahn and before questioning his abilities!

I'm sure if in WC 2006 and WC 2010 we would have a Kahn on his peak, Germany would be twice champion!

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Re: Oliver KAHN | 2001-2002

Postby bitz » 2010 Jul 19, 23:05

Albosoldier is about right, Kahn was an insane athlete, who gave his 100% in all matches, he was pretty much unbeatable on a good day. He was very zealous in his game, his mere presence inspired his team and demoralized the opponents.

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Re: Oliver KAHN | 2001-2002

Postby julgui » 2010 Jul 20, 11:40

Nobody said it was not the best GK. While I believe that many feelings are taken to make the statistics, it is natural.
Kahn was incredible, but not if it was so superior to Schmeichel, Chilavert, Dasaeyv, Fillol or Banks as reflected in the post.
For there was more than all those stats but the difference between them is too.

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Re: Oliver KAHN | 2001-2002

Postby braindead » 2010 Jul 20, 12:20

A few videos dedicated to in my opinion the best german goalkeeper in history behind sepp maier

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePtz-K3zjAU&feature=related[/youtube]


Look at 2:45 that's unbelievable

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2EArfZICKk&feature=related[/youtube]

To the Agility increase, i suggest to increase his teamwork into the reds,because he was the only one who hit and scream at his own teammates to do better and motivated them to do better

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Re: Oliver KAHN | 2001-2002

Postby sencesor » 2010 Jul 20, 14:23

julgui wrote:Nobody said it was not the best GK. While I believe that many feelings are taken to make the statistics, it is natural.
Kahn was incredible, but not if it was so superior to Schmeichel, Chilavert, Dasaeyv, Fillol or Banks as reflected in the post.
For there was more than all those stats but the difference between them is too.


Prime Schmeichel is still over-all a better GK in PES imo - primary because of his height, and GKS (97 compared to Kahn's 93).

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Re: Oliver KAHN | 2001-2002

Postby julgui » 2010 Jul 20, 16:22

Compare:
Name: Kahn - Schmeichel
Height: 188 cm < 193
Weight: 91 kg < 94

Defence: 96 > 94
Balance: 95 = 95
Response: 97 > 96
Agility: 80 = 80
Jump: 88 > 85
Aggression: 65 > 56
Mentality/Tenacity: 95 > 91
Goalkeeper Skills: 93 < 97
Team Work: 90 > 87
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Except for GK, the rest Kahn is superior. Even having less height (5 cm) and weight.

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Re: Oliver KAHN | 2001-2002

Postby Boa Morchi » 2010 Jul 20, 17:04

I agree with julgi....


IMO Smeichel should be at least 1pt superior in balance.
& They should be equal in terms of Response

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Re: Oliver KAHN | 2001-2002

Postby zguc » 2010 Jul 20, 17:53

In my opinion Kahn balance is overrated looking on Schmeichel, it should be 1 point over for Schmeichel. I dont think that Schmeichel RES must be equal with Khan, I suggest 95 for DEF...

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Re: Oliver KAHN | 2001-2002

Postby sencesor » 2010 Jul 20, 18:15

^Not sure about equal RES, Kahn probably did have a tad better response than Schmeichel, but I do agree Kahn should have 94 for BB & Schmeichel 95 for DEF.

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Re: Oliver KAHN | 2001-2002

Postby Albo7 » 2010 Jul 20, 18:50

I don't want to compare him with Schmeichel, but comparing him to Sepp Maier, he was not better in Def, so they should have an equal Def value. 95 suits Kahn.
I don't agree with decreasing Kahns Balance for 1 point, since the later Schmeichel has BB 97, and please mods update his agility "+3" (especially because Maiers Agility is 86) and " * Penalty Saver", that alot of people agreed, there's no need to "ignore" this anymore!

And I'll just act like I didn't notice the comment of lowering Kahns response, as the one who wrote it probably just acted like he never read my own previous comment!
Schmeichel was never better then Kahn in terms of response! Never ever!! In this field Kahn stands exactly same with Sepp Maier!

And no, Schmeichel should not have 95 for Defence!

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Re: Oliver KAHN | 2001-2002

Postby zguc » 2010 Jul 22, 20:42

Must have, its setting, the willingness of each ball... certainly deserve a 95 for DEF

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Re: Oliver KAHN | 2001-2002

Postby Albo7 » 2010 Jul 24, 10:53

zguc, I don't agree with you, although you can go suggest it in Schmeichels topic, but I'm sure they will not agree with you. It's been suggested even before, to update Schmeichels Def, but they did not agree.


Will Kahn get updated, or am I fighting an already lost battle?

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Re: Oliver KAHN | 2001-2002

Postby zguc » 2010 Jul 29, 15:33

AlboSoldier wrote:zguc, I don't agree with you, although you can go suggest it in Schmeichels topic, but I'm sure they will not agree with you. It's been suggested even before, to update Schmeichels Def, but they did not agree.


You think if they did not accept the suggestion that they are right? No way man!

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Re: Oliver KAHN | 2001-2002

Postby Albo7 » 2010 Jul 29, 20:46

I didn't say that man. I said I don't agree, coz that's my opinion, although I'm not much of a Schmeichel follower and thAat's why I did not want to compare him with Kahn... In the meanwhile I'm sure they wont agree with your opinion, since it's been proposed before to make his DEF 95 and it was not updated.

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Re: Oliver KAHN | 2001-2002

Postby Plava Čigra » 2010 Aug 24, 18:37

This thread wasn't locked? I'm really surprised?! How could we do that?! :shock: :P

Regardless of some users thoughts about thread locking and not paying any attention to members suggestions, I was following this thread and I wanted to react earlier but I had many obligations during previous month or so (which forced me to take a break from PSD and PES in general). Also, topics are mostly locked when there's a flood of suggestions that don't have any arguments and/or proofs.

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Ok, here we go. I've added S11: Penalty Saver/*Penalty Stopper to the first post.

About Agility... I'm looking at modern ladders and there are two keepers that I rate above and near Kahn in this ability (to be more precise 2 keepers that I've followed more or less regularly which have Agility: 83, ;) ). Now remember we are talking just about Agility, not about overall skill.

Helton from Porto is on Agility: 83. I don't think there is a need to explain how "crazy" can he get in terms of Agility. Aside his sometimes unbelievable mistakes, Helton can save 2-3 (sometimes even 4) shots in a row, leaving the opposition to ask how the hell he saved all those shots. Now, when I checked the ladder it looked a bit strange that he's 3 points under Casillas in Agility (personally, I believe that 85 would fit him very well). I've checked his thread and people were suggesting increase in the Agility (86 to be precise). My main point would be that even if Helton gets 85-86, Kahn with 83 would be too close to him (Helton - 187 cm, 75 kg).

If that sounds a bit shaky (since not all agree Helton should have 83), then there is another keeper, Sebastian Frey. I've been trying to follow Fiorentina during the past few years as regularly as I could, and I saw Frey doing wonders on that goal (again another keeper that was prone to some mistakes in the past, but more secure during the previous 2 seasons as far as I remember). After some remarkable saves, words like catlike pop into my head. After all that, I've checked his Agility and he's on 82 (Frey - 189 cm, 94 kg).

Now, I really think that giving Kahn 83 would be a mistake. Imo, he wasn't 1 point over Frey in Agility. I would suggest 82 (even with 82 he'll be a bit more agile then Frey due to Kahn's Height: 188 cm and Weight: 91 kg). You can check this thread and see how this suggestion got that form of 83; I really don't see too much reasoning (or comparing) for it, just that somebody suggested 85, then somebody said 83 and the rest just supported that and start bitching about mods, thread locking, not paying attention to regular members and then AlboSoldier got angry about Kahn's Response (in one moment I thought that there will be blood; joke ofc, :lol: ).

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Anyway I have a few suggestions of my own.

I would increase Kahn's Stamina and Aggression. Nothing drastic just Stamina: 72, Aggression: 68. Although not the fastest keeper, many times he had to work extra hard due to his teammates mistakes. Also, he had very good game understanding, and he sometimes ran to met the lonely striker (who chased the ball) and take the ball before striker gets it (a few videos show a few such runs 30-40m from his goal, but I'm suggesting Aggression change not just due to a few extreme runs, but due to the fact that he often done that somewhat closer to his goal, 15-20m from his goal to be precise). Bare in mind in Classics, we rate Aggression somewhat different then in modern section. I don't know why, since high Aggression + high Mentality + A/D Awareness Card: Balanced/Attack Minded combo works pretty solid for keepers that like to leave their line/5 m box often (as far as I noticed in modern section 70 is the limit for keepers Aggression).

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Re: Oliver KAHN | 2001-2002

Postby Plava Čigra » 2010 Sep 07, 16:18

Updated Agility: 80-->82.

Still waiting opinions about Stamina and Aggression. ;)

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Re: Oliver KAHN | 2001-2002

Postby CLU82 » 2011 Feb 27, 10:59

Can anyone tell me how his stats would've been by the time Lehmann had taken the no. 1 jersey (not asking for stats, just a brief explanation)?

Would he still have had all those red values? And the 1-on-1 & Penalty Stopper stars? After seeing him in the 3rd place playoff in the 2006 World Cup, he looked like the same player, and so I always thought Lehmann's appointment ahead of him seemed strange.

Given how brilliant he was most of the time, I take it *that* England match was a 'grey arrow day' for him. ;)

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