Vandeach are you sure he shouldn't be in the 90's in speed and acceleration?
As far as I can see his acceleration is his biggest plus. Whenever he's up against a player he'll almost always slow down a bit and then accelerate past his opponent.
I know it's not enough to rate him on the last few games only but he's fired off some incredibly powerful shots. If he keeps that up his shot power might have to be raised. It's already pretty high at 85, though and maybe he's been lucky with his last few shots, but they were rockets.
His dribble accuracy could go a few points down, as far as I can see, since he really doesn't do as much dribbling as he does just springting past opponents. He's not a trickster.
I only saw him a few games when he was at wigan so I'm basing my observations on what I've seen this season and preseason. It's not much, I know, and I'm a united fan so I'm not the most objective person to rate united's players, but it's what I've observed so far. I might be wrong or at least a bit off in my evaluations but then take my comments as an invitation to watch Valencia the next time he plays. Watch how he plays and then tell me if my evaluation is so much off. It might be, it might not, that's what why there's a forum to discuss this, right?
I must add that I think his current stats are a pretty good representation of him, I just think they might need a bit of tweaking, but that's just my opinion.
I have watched Valencia plenty of times this season as I have been intruiged to see whether he alters his playing style to that similar of Ronaldo or whether he maintains his all-round involvement with the team in which he utilises his work ethic, stamina and defensive abilities.
The fact is, some of the ideas you've proposed are too far off in their valuation. Yes, Valencia is undoubtedly pacy and that is reflected by the current stats and his fantastically high Dribble Speed value, but he's not a 90 in any pace department. He's not at a similar level of pace to Ronaldo by any means, but he's certainly similar to his team-mate Park Ji-Sung. Also, where would the logic be in him being quicker than his Wigan days? Unless he had taken tetrahydrogestrinone, it wouldn't be the case. His speed stats could go up very slightly, but he isn't a great deal pacier than the current speed stats.
Also it remains to see whether you truly know about the Dribble Accuracy. One of your reasons for reducing his Dribble Accuracy is on the basis that he "isn't a trickster". The fact is, that's a very minimal effect of the stat, the primary focus of the Dribble Accuracy stat is how good a player's close control is. At Wigan, Valencia's close control was fantastic and better than many players within the Premier League. As for him not being a trickster, well you're certaily wrong there too This following video shows just a few of the various bits of tricks and skils that he's used for Wigan and Ecuador, but it only seems to start showing them mid-way through the video:
As for his Shot Power, he puts no more power into his shots than Fernando Torres who also sits at an 85. He's shown the same level of venom in his shots now as he has in the last couple of years in the Premier League. Also the likes of Nani, Scholes and Rooney evidently have more velocity and power in their shots than Valencia.
Few more games like that and we'll have to drop his WFF, I'm afraid. I can't recall him using his left foot a single time in CSKA game. That was just striking. As for his speed stats, I think he benefits more from his acceleration than TS. These two could be switched. I also agree with rising his balance by a point or two. As far as that's concerned, he's an animal
So far I am very happy with the way he fitted himself to the team, he's composed and hard working. He could show some smile or do a lil' samba with Anderson, though.
I think Valencia get a good Feedback(alibies) but he must have better balance and Shoot(90) power(very very strong shoot)and if we take for example Fereira P(81),Carrick(83),N.Kraincat(81),(realy poor guys) etc than I am sure that Valencia need have balance 83 or 84 because he pass their guardians with speed and with physical strength so just raise he"s balance and he will be great
Roney92 wrote:I think Valencia get a good Feedback(alibies) but he must have better balance and Shoot(90) power(very very strong shoot)and if we take for example Fereira P(81),Carrick(83),N.Kraincat(81),(realy poor guys) etc than I am sure that Valencia need have balance 83 or 84 because he pass their guardians with speed and with physical strength so just raise he"s balance and he will be great
I was worried that you will never unlock this topic )) and Totally agree with ThaReaper01 especially at this from BB, because if you can have BB Busqet 82, then Valencia could have 81 for sure if not more.
To do this, I am sure that he needs to increase
Top Speed: 88/78 Acceleration: 90/91 Dribble Speed: 89
@BB: i dont know about Busquets but about C.Ronaldo that played alot at right side of manchester, i clearly see that Valencia if isnt stronger than him, isnt weaker, also see ronaldo so high speed and agility and also higher length and heavier that all of this parameters very help him in battles.
if i want say a value suggest 83 and also Ronaldo should be 82 that make a good balance between them. if u think really 83 is little harsh (i dont think , even his chest and arms show that he is a strong black man) so at any condition Ronaldo should be one point lower.
@Speeds and DS: yes he need go up these values dont match by his real games.
@ LPS: yes he has powerfull long passes and 84 is low for him.
--also he need PES10 Cards!
Def: his Def is high and i dont see that high number on him in ManU and i didnt see he will be a very defensive SM by good tackles and related actions, so i suggest 50 , 5 point lower than Rooney, Rooney is better than him in one 2 ones and tackles.
Agg: i say one point higher, if Nani get 86 in next update it will be fair that Valencia be one point lower.
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