Ricardo BOCHINI l 1983-1984

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Best Independiente player ever?

YES, HE'S # 1
62
77%
TOP 3, BUT NOT # 1
16
20%
NOT EVEN CLOSE
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4%
 
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Ricardo BOCHINI l 1983-1984

Postby PES Stats Database » 2009 Sep 03, 19:56

Nickname: "El Bocha"
Club: Club Atlético Independiente



INFO:

Who said Maradona was alone in the 1986 World Cup? Terribly mistaken, Bochini was there. The 32 year old was the voice of experience, and by the way, Maradona's idol. The almost creepy resemblance in their game led to a sort of legacy from the Avellaneda's idol to a young 26 year old Maradona.

Bochini was devoted his whole career, and some might say his whole life (as he continues attached), to the club of his heart: Independiente.

He stayed there for 19 years, scoring near a 100 goals, and winning so many titles it would be an un-ending list, including a Inter-Continental Cup final against no other than Juventus (in this season: 1978) scoring the winning goal and becoming a legend between the Independiente's supporters, who still see him as one of the greatest Argentineans of all times.

Nowadays, whenever someone does a great, unbelievable pass a lot of Argentineans refer to them as a "bochinesque pass"; imagine the excentricity of this player's lobs and passes.

Well, to end, I'd like to add what Maradona said to him when he was subbed in the '86 WC: "Thanks 'Maestro', thanks for the football"

VIDEOS:



ADDITIONAL LINKS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bochini
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardo_Enrique_Bochini

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Re: Enrique BOCHINI l 1977-1978

Postby ryan1422 » 2009 Sep 07, 10:03

Bochini is right. He hit very well with both.

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Re: Enrique BOCHINI l 1977-1978

Postby Fevernova » 2009 Sep 07, 17:09

You're right. Changed it, also made updated his WFA-WFF stats. Thanks. ;)

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Re: Enrique BOCHINI l 1977-1978

Postby Il Codino » 2009 Sep 23, 02:21

Nice stats!!

I didn't know that Bochini was a player so fast, although he wasn't slow. One thing I am sure, "El Bocha" was the best passer in the history of Argentine soccer and is a shame that he hasn't played the 1978 World Cup.


Sorry for my english (it's "Google Docs translator" fault :lol:)

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Re: Enrique BOCHINI l 1977-1978

Postby Plava Čigra » 2010 Feb 05, 23:54

You can't assign him P08: Pinpoint Pass... He is *AMF, SS, so he can't use P08: Pinpoint Pass.

You can assign him P09: Early Cross if it suits his playing style (and I believe it does ;)).

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Re: Enrique BOCHINI l 1977-1978

Postby Fevernova » 2010 Feb 06, 15:28

Thanks, Plava, I made him when the new card system was beginning, I didn´´t notice.

Also, added some extra links in the 1rst post and lowered his ATT to 83.

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Re: Enrique BOCHINI l 1977-1978

Postby julgui » 2010 Feb 11, 02:32

Is Ricardo Enrique Bochini. Not Enrique Bochini =P.

World class player.

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Re: Ricardo Enrique BOCHINI l 1977-1978

Postby xaguanteelrojox » 2010 Feb 16, 13:28

bochini and maradona are considered the best "10" of the argentinian football history

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Re: Ricardo Enrique BOCHINI l 1977-1978

Postby Fevernova » 2010 Feb 16, 15:50

xaguanteelrojox wrote:bochini and maradona are considered the best "10" of the argentinian football history


Yeah, I already proposed him to the Argentina All Star first squad, but Brezza considered he should be on the reserves, I respect that, alltough I don't know if he is aware of the impact he had in Argentinean football. Great player, Loco! ;)

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Re: Ricardo Enrique BOCHINI l 1977-1978

Postby xaguanteelrojox » 2010 Feb 20, 15:58

i think the attack should be higher than 82 or 83, because many of the goals of Bochini, made them positioned as a centreforward

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Re: Ricardo Enrique BOCHINI l 1977-1978

Postby Fevernova » 2010 Feb 21, 00:22

Scoring goals doesn´t necessarily means having high ATT values. For instance, Messi (A forward) is scoring a great amount of goals per season, yet hi sits on low 80s, or CR9, who scores near 30 goals per season, still sits in mid 80s, I think Bochini is fine with 83, really, considering he isn´t a striker, but an attacking midfielder. ;)

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Re: Ricardo Enrique BOCHINI l 1977-1978

Postby Classical » 2010 Mar 09, 17:48

One of the amazing players I didn't know before PSD.

Among our group of friends we use to say who resembles which player...and I was Riquelme but now we agree Bochini is my avatar lol

Which makes me question something, by the way:

I am very slow and we all (just from youtube highlights) got the same impression from Bochini, great short passer who didn't run that much...

Compare him with Matthaus, for example. Does he rightfully claim the current values=?

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Re: Ricardo Enrique BOCHINI l 1977-1978

Postby Fevernova » 2010 Mar 09, 18:33

Well, he wasn't a speedy player, yet he wasn't a Hulk. He had normal speed, It could be considered to decrease his TS or ACC, but never his DS, his tricks and feints in short spaces, were really something, 86 is a fair value.

Do you have any concret values, Classical? ;)

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Re: Ricardo Enrique BOCHINI l 1977-1978

Postby Classical » 2010 Mar 10, 09:04

I never meant to suggest a decrease in dribble speed.

Also, let me side-introduce a theory of mine about the dribble speed that despite not being applied here seem to have some followers as well, at least I went to the "dribble speed" thread and quote this:

Doesn't depend on anything. Dribble Speed dictates how much a dribble touch will slow the player down.
High Dribble Speed = very little loss of speed with the ball compared to without.


Assuming this is correct, it means we really don't rate players like they should because when facing "slow" players with great technique we tend to give them outstanding low values of DS compared to DA.
Best example: Figo. I will go now to Figo's thread (for a change...)


My point is clearly that: A slow player doesn't need to have a low DS since he is already slow. If Bochini could run with or without the ball at the same speed, there is no need to have a big contrast in those two parameters.

Now, the ACC and TS yes, I think he was slower. Let me remind you, tough, that I am basing my perception entirely on youtube highlights.

I suggest TS: 81 and AC: 80.

Probably after playing with these values they can make more sense?

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Also I wanted to push the thanks button on this player post, but can't find it. As usual.

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Re: Ricardo Enrique BOCHINI l 1977-1978

Postby Fevernova » 2010 Mar 10, 15:53

Just taking interest in the thread and mentioning the "thanks you" button is enough, Classical. ;)

I think the values U suggested are good, yet, I think I'd swap them...

TS: 80
ACC: 81

As he had an electric dribble, and his scapades relied more in his quick and unespected rythm-changing. ACC suits that definition better, in my opinion.

What do U think?

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Re: Ricardo Enrique BOCHINI l 1977-1978

Postby Classical » 2010 Mar 11, 10:01

Go with your numbers Fever :D

Yes he style of play in what comes to speed ir more about quick burst than runnings.

I enphatize the fact I really like this player.

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Re: Ricardo Enrique BOCHINI l 1977-1978

Postby Fevernova » 2010 Jun 30, 20:21

Updated!

Decreased both, TS and ACC with discussed numbers, what a player!! ;)

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Re: Ricardo BOCHINI l 1977-1978

Postby Vickingo » 2011 Apr 25, 03:51

Some values are very wrong IMO.

Top Speed: 78 (-2)
Acceleration: 80 (-1)
Dribble Accuracy: 94 (+1)
Dribble Speed: 84 (-2)
Short Pass Accuracy: 97 (+2)
Short Pass Speed: 88 (+2)
Shot Power: 80 (-5)
Free Kick Accuracy: 84 (-3)
Curling: 88 (-3)
Technique: 96 (+1)
Aggression: 83 (-2)
Mentality/Tenacity: 82 (-4)
Team Work: 94 (+2)

What do you think? The best Independiente's player of all time and one of the best in Argentina. Idol and hero of Maradona

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Re: Ricardo BOCHINI l 1977-1978

Postby xeneize » 2011 Apr 25, 21:11

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vickingo_73 wrote:Some values are very wrong IMO.

Top Speed: 78 (-2)
Acceleration: 80 (-1)
Dribble Accuracy: 94 (+1)
Dribble Speed: 84 (-2)
Short Pass Accuracy: 97 (+2)
Short Pass Speed: 88 (+2)
Shot Power: 80 (-5)
Free Kick Accuracy: 84 (-3)
Curling: 88 (-3)
Technique: 96 (+1)
Aggression: 83 (-2)
Mentality/Tenacity: 82 (-4)
Team Work: 94 (+2)



What do you think? The best Independiente's player of all time and one of the best in Argentina. Idol and hero of Maradona


you're right victor nedd some tweaks...
AGREE in all with you except in SPA and SPS. maybe SPA: 96 and SPS: 87 and TW : 93?
you think his ST stay good in 88?

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Re: Ricardo BOCHINI l 1977-1978

Postby Fevernova » 2011 May 30, 17:25

fixed the stats format to fit the new tendences ;)

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xeneize and vickingo, i´ll get to your suggestions soon ;)

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