Lionel Messi

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[Ulises]

attack very low shuld be 83-84.

Short Pass Accuracy: 86
Short Pass Speed: 84
Long Pass Accuracy: 85
Long Pass Speed: 79

agility 99

messis agility>maradona-garrinchas agilitys.

I'm sure,should be 99

Injury Tolerance: B

Here's a Garrincha Video. If Messi should be 99, Garrincha has to be a 103.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_V6y5P050M

Here's a Leo Messi video.10 minutes dribbling-agility compilatition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XJGjEdlqPg


garrincha incredible agility player but messis more agility than garrincha.

garrincha 50's 60' years player.

messi 2000's years player.

messi 99 garrinha 99


why attack only 80

LOL, why don't we close this thread?¿

[Brezza]

attack very low shuld be 83-84.

Short Pass Accuracy: 86
Short Pass Speed: 84
Long Pass Accuracy: 85
Long Pass Speed: 79

agility 99

messis agility>maradona-garrinchas agilitys.

I'm sure,should be 99

Injury Tolerance: B

Here's a Garrincha Video. If Messi should be 99, Garrincha has to be a 103.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_V6y5P050M

Here's a Leo Messi video.10 minutes dribbling-agility compilatition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XJGjEdlqPg


garrincha incredible agility player but messis more agility than garrincha.

garrincha 50's 60' years player.

messi 2000's years player.

messi 99 garrinha 99


why attack only 80

Wow I was unsure at first, but im so compelled by this well constructed argument that I have no choice to agree that Messi should have 99 for agility

[Giff]

Shouldn´t his injury tolerence be B instead of C? I don´t think he has a high injury prone. A standard is more appropiate.

I also think his free kick should be adjusted, maybe his long pass too. Becuase if you read about his characteristics on the Barcelona homepage does it say this:

"Messi is an unusual player. He is highly creative, and has the skills to take on defenders with ease. He is a versatile left-footed player who can play either in the middle or on either wing, or even as a centre forward.

Although he is quite short, he is so fast and physically strong that he can cope with larger opponents. He is incredibly powerful, and a specialist in such dead ball situations as corners, free kicks and penalties.

Leo Messi is cool-headed and able to assume several responsibilities in times of need. He is a player who is destined to have a very successful career in football."

[Bret_Hart_67]

His stats are good IMO, maybe his balance could be decreased because he is weaker than Ribéry

[Giff]

Maybe Riberys stats should go up? Becuase I think Messis balance seems fair at 78. Thats quite strong for such small guy.

[Ulises]

Height and weight affects here, also agility, wich is obvious that has a great impact in his balance being in god region.

how height and weight works in PES?¿ How much height and less weight you will be more weak, in the contrary if you have a high height combined with low height will make you strong.

So what it's important in here is how many, KILOS you have for each CM of height, the result of divide weight between height.

Well what i explained is not 100% true, if there is a big diffrence in the height, that balance of height/weight has no sense cause that big amount has more influence.

And here messi get good a result, wich means that this makes him stronger with independecy of his BB.


So taking his agility and height/weight compensation, i think that messi should be lowered...

[as_10]

His stats are good IMO, maybe his balance could be decreased because he is weaker than Ribéry

and put him even lower than Agüero? hes 4 points lower than him now, which is totally unfair...

[Ulises]

His stats are good IMO, maybe his balance could be decreased because he is weaker than Ribéry

and put him even lower than Agüero? hes 4 points lower than him now, which is totally unfair...

You shouldn't compare him with a overrate player in BB like aguero...

[Giff]

His agilty should be improved.

I know, it´s already been discussed and many have had good arguments saying that Garrincha are more agile and so on.

Anyway decpite that should Messi have 98 or 99 in agilty. He is with no doubt the most agile player today. Its impossible to know right now if his more or less agile then Garrincha, that player played a long time ago and was during his time the most agile.

But if he played today he wouldnt be concidered to be the most agile as back then. But that have to that football players abilites are always improving.

So you really cant compare old players with new players. Perhaps you can look how more agile Garrincha was then the other player at that time and then see how much more agile Messi is then other players in the league. After you done that maybe you can see who are and was the relative most agile football player. Was Garrincha more agile then Messi concidering that age standars, and are Messi according to todays standards relativly more agile then Garrinha?

[Brezza]

Just because hes the most agile player today doesn't mean hes the most agile of all time, that's just being purely hypothetical . Agility is just natural body movement and is completely context free, it has nothing to do with the quality of football back in the day. Comparing the two players Garrincha was even more twisty-turny and did even more feints and turns than Messi thanks to that peg-leg of his.
That's the end of it.

[Giff]

Just because hes the most agile today doesn't mean hes the most agile of all time, that's just being purely hypothetical . Agility is just natural body movement and is completely context free, it has nothing to do with the quality of football back in the day. Comparing the two players Garrincha was even more twisty-turny and did even more feints and turns than Messi thanks to that peg-leg of his. That's the end of it.

The stats in PES dont have to anything with how good old players were. I mean if a player have 99 in something doesnt mean his the best player of all time in that abilty. If so no one today could have better technique then Cruyff, Maradona or Pelé in stats in PES. The same thing with shooting accruacy and such.

Messi is the most agile player today that´s why he should have 98-99 in agilty.

[Ulises]

IMO none player could deserve 99 in anything, that's my opinion probably wrong...

[Brezza]

Just because hes the most agile today doesn't mean hes the most agile of all time, that's just being purely hypothetical . Agility is just natural body movement and is completely context free, it has nothing to do with the quality of football back in the day. Comparing the two players Garrincha was even more twisty-turny and did even more feints and turns than Messi thanks to that peg-leg of his. That's the end of it.

The stats in PES dont have to anything with how good old players were. I mean if a player have 99 in something doesnt mean his the best player of all time in that abilty. If so no one today could have better technique then Cruyff, Maradona or Pelé in stats in PES. The same thing with shooting accruacy and such.

Messi is the most agile player today that´s why he should have 98-99 in agilty.

So by that logic the fastest player in the world today should instantly have 99 for both speed stats? No that would simply fuck up the ladder system we have. Stats represent how good a player is at a particular attribute, if a player is regarded as being better in that certain ability than somebody else in football history it should be rated higher. is that difficult to understand?

Off course 99 means that a player is the best all time in a certain attribute, that's the highest value Konami has given us. How else could it be represented? .

Some players today shouldn't have the same technique as Maradona and Pelé for example not because they are old players and are not part of the current database, but because they were simply the greatest of all time so in that ability. In modern day terms Only Ronaldinho has come close to them in all time God-like technical skill.

Messi is the most agile player today and that's why he has the highest in the database.

[Giff]

Just because hes the most agile today doesn't mean hes the most agile of all time, that's just being purely hypothetical . Agility is just natural body movement and is completely context free, it has nothing to do with the quality of football back in the day. Comparing the two players Garrincha was even more twisty-turny and did even more feints and turns than Messi thanks to that peg-leg of his. That's the end of it.

The stats in PES dont have to anything with how good old players were. I mean if a player have 99 in something doesnt mean his the best player of all time in that abilty. If so no one today could have better technique then Cruyff, Maradona or Pelé in stats in PES. The same thing with shooting accruacy and such.

Messi is the most agile player today that´s why he should have 98-99 in agilty.

So by that logic the fastest player in the world today should instantly have 99 for both speed stats? No that would simply fuck up the ladder system we have. Stats represent how good a player is at a particular attribute, if a player is regarded as being better in that certain ability than somebody else in football history it should be rated higher. is that difficult to understand?

Off course 99 means that a player is the best all time in a certain attribute, that's the highest value Konami has given us. How else could it be represented? .

Some players today shouldn't have the same technique as Maradona and Pelé for example not because they are old players and are not part of the current database, but because they were simply the greatest of all time so in that ability. In modern day terms Only Ronaldinho has come close to them in all time God-like technical skill.

Messi is the most agile player today and that's why he has the highest in the database.

Ok, I agree.

But 98 is not to bad number for him, or is it?

[jmg721]

Re-Arranged's Update:

Side: R

Attack: 81(+1)
Defence: 41(-1)
Balance: 76(-2)
Stamina: 84(-1)
Top Speed: 92(+4)
Acceleration: 94(-2)
Response: 85(+1)
Agility: 96(-1)
Dribble Accuracy: 94(-2)
Dribble Speed: 93(-3)
Short Pass Speed: 81(-1)
Long Pass Accuracy: 78(-5)
Long Pass Speed: 77(+1)
Shot Accuracy: 78(-2)
Shot Power: 81(+1)
Shot Technique: 84(-2)
Free Kick Accuracy: 73(+1)
Curling: 83(+1)
Header: 67(+1)
Jump: 73(+2)
Technique: 94(-1)
Aggression: 94(+3)
Team Work: 78(-5)

Condition/Fitness: 7(+1)

SPECIAL ABILITIES:
Remove*Passing
Remove*1-1 Scoring

[Tavo]

Whoa...was that overall update necessary? Although I agree about Side: R, he gets changed to the left side too much when I'm playing against them.

I don't agree with such a big decrease of TW.

Oh btw, is there a reason why he always gets subbed off in my game? same with C.Ronaldo? Shouldn't they be the stars of their teams and play always?

[Ulises]

That stats doesn't suit messi...

[TheTrueSeto]

yeah, i completely disagree.

but well, the computer subs stars like messi and ronaldo off, due to their horribly low stamina which konami thought could balance out their immensely overrated stats

[manutd]

The stats in the 1st post suits Messi

[Tavo]

yeah, i completely disagree.

but well, the computer subs stars like messi and ronaldo off, due to their horribly low stamina which konami thought could balance out their immensely overrated stats

But I'm talking about our stats, not Konami's... would it be the same reason anyway?