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Luis Antonio Valencia

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 09, 17:23


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Re: Luis Antonio Valencia

Postby jmg721 » 2008 Dec 14, 17:52

What a game vs. Blackburn. He was involved in all goals. I'm curious to why seemingly low values for DA and Technique? I really thought that was his strongest attribute :?

Also possible *tact dribbling?
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Re: Luis Antonio Valencia

Postby Tom » 2008 Dec 15, 15:41

jmg721 wrote:What a game vs. Blackburn. He was involved in all goals. I'm curious to why seemingly low values for DA and Technique? I really thought that was his strongest attribute :?

Also possible *tact dribbling?


I wouldn't call 84 low values, and you're right he is good in these departments, but I don't think there should be such a gap between him and Kevin Kilbane either.

Tactical Dribbling seems like a fair call too, that was an idea I was taking into consideration but was wary of giving it to him as there are guys like Niko Kranjcar who do not have it
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Re: Luis Antonio Valencia

Postby Paddy » 2008 Dec 18, 10:32

Height: 5' 11" (181cm)
Weight: 12st 4lbs (78.0kg)

source: http://www.wiganlatics.premiumtv.co.uk/ ... 79,00.html
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Re: Luis Antonio Valencia

Postby Tom » 2008 Dec 18, 10:51

Paddy wrote:Height: 5' 11" (181cm)
Weight: 12st 4lbs (78.0kg)

source: http://www.wiganlatics.premiumtv.co.uk/ ... 79,00.html


I'm guessing that those are rounded figures, right? Anyway, I've updated the first post with them.
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Re: Luis Antonio Valencia

Postby jmg721 » 2009 Jan 10, 08:06

GoonerLover66 wrote:
jmg721 wrote:What a game vs. Blackburn. He was involved in all goals. I'm curious to why seemingly low values for DA and Technique? I really thought that was his strongest attribute :?

Also possible *tact dribbling?


I wouldn't call 84 low values, and you're right he is good in these departments, but I don't think there should be such a gap between him and Kevin Kilbane either.

Tactical Dribbling seems like a fair call too, that was an idea I was taking into consideration but was wary of giving it to him as there are guys like Niko Kranjcar who do not have it

In your stats you have Kapo at an 86 in DA, and 84 Tech. Valencia is an 84 in both. I'm surprised to see that Kapo is higher in these specific categories. Really though it was Valencia's best skills :?
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Re: Luis Antonio VALENCIA

Postby avantsweater » 2009 Jan 10, 21:41

For me his best skill is his acceleration and change of pace when going past defenders. He'll usually run up with the ball, stop, do a bit of a foot shuffle and then take off like a rocket...
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Re: Luis Antonio VALENCIA

Postby Paddy » 2009 Jan 10, 22:26

could his defence not be brought down a bit?
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Re: Luis Antonio VALENCIA

Postby avantsweater » 2009 Jan 10, 23:52

Paddy wrote:could his defence not be brought down a bit?


He actually has a MONSTER tackle completion rate for a winger and tracks back a lot to help out the defense all the time.

http://www.setanta.com/uk/Articles/Football/2008/12/19/Whos-better---Bentley-or-Valencia/gnid-32229/

If you scroll down that and look at the comparison between Valencia and Bentley you can see he's got a 78% tackle completion rate and made 65 attempts at tackle to Bentley's 62% and 16.

He's also made 12 clearances to Bentley's 4 and 30 interceptions to Bentley's 17. He does his defensive duty really well for a winger.
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Re: Luis Antonio VALENCIA

Postby Paddy » 2009 Jan 10, 23:57

then couldn't he have Covering or Sliding?

and Also, he's rated better than most SB's are. Like he's 4 points higher than Kilbane
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Re: Luis Antonio VALENCIA

Postby Vandeach » 2009 Jan 11, 00:05

Why where you suggesting to lower defence then suggest some top defensive special abilities? I think he looks great as it is.
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Re: Luis Antonio VALENCIA

Postby Paddy » 2009 Jan 11, 00:14

like I said with Van Persie, some forwards deserve the sliding star... its just nobody seems to agree. he's not great positionally in defence, he's better forward, he's just good at tracking back and intercepting through sliding tackles, yet, nobody will agree to giving anyone othe rthan a CB/SB sliding
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Re: Luis Antonio VALENCIA

Postby TheTrueSeto » 2009 Jan 11, 07:32

Hmm....Doesn't DS seem a bit low? He could have tactical dribble* as well.
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Re: Luis Antonio VALENCIA

Postby Vandeach » 2009 Jan 11, 10:43

Paddy wrote:like I said with Van Persie, some forwards deserve the sliding star... its just nobody seems to agree. he's not great positionally in defence, he's better forward, he's just good at tracking back and intercepting through sliding tackles, yet, nobody will agree to giving anyone othe rthan a CB/SB sliding


I think the reason that is that i you give say Van Persie the *sliding star that would imply he is better than most CB's at performing sliding tackles which isn't the case.
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Re: Luis Antonio VALENCIA

Postby Paddy » 2009 Jan 11, 14:27

with his defensive rating, I don't think it would
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Re: Luis Antonio VALENCIA

Postby fishdalf » 2009 Jan 11, 22:41

Paddy wrote:with his defensive rating, I don't think it would

Yeah me neither.
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Re: Luis Antonio VALENCIA

Postby Paddy » 2009 Jan 11, 22:53

what do you think about it, maybe adding it as optional or opening up a thread in Attributes analysed and explained
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Re: Luis Antonio VALENCIA

Postby Vandeach » 2009 Jan 12, 18:39

Its defnetley worth discussing imo, go for it.
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Re: Luis Antonio VALENCIA

Postby Paddy » 2009 Jan 14, 16:25

I can't post threads :cry:
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Re: Luis Antonio VALENCIA

Postby Ulises » 2009 Jan 16, 20:56

IMO it doesn't need any discussion. Many defenders and DMFs has much more better slides than valencia and don't have the star, like Gago, Sergio Ramos or Lassana Diarra. So i have to disagree...

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