Cristiano Ronaldo | 2003-04 | 2006-07 | 2007-08 | 2010-12

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Cristiano Ronaldo | 2003-04 | 2006-07 | 2007-08 | 2010-12

Postby PES Stats Database » 2009 Jul 07, 01:49

2003-2004


Club: Manchester United



Growth type: Early/Lasting


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Ronaldo the Kid: not the smartest player, always diving and a crybaby but he already did those insane stepovers and you could see that was an unshaped diamond with a complete encyclopedia of trickery. - p1rha


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2006-2007

Club: Manchester United



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2007-2008

Club: Manchester United



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2010-2013

Club: Real Madrid



S13 - Step On Skills
S15 - Knuckle Shot
S17 - Scissor Kick

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Re: Cristiano RONALDO | 2003-2004

Postby p1rha » 2009 Jul 07, 09:20

Club: Manchester United



Growth type: Early/Lasting


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Ronaldo the Kid: not the smartest player, always diving and a crybaby but he already did those insane stepovers and you could see that was an unshaped diamond with a complete encyclopedia of trickery.

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Re: Cristiano RONALDO | 2003-2004

Postby Tom » 2009 Jul 07, 10:40

He was definitely able to last 90 minutes with ease, an 83/84 for Stamina would be better

I wouldn't give him such a high Attack value at that point in his career either, a very high 70 would be better suited.

And let's not forget that this was the era where Ronaldo went down at the slightest touch and never really outmuscled anyone at all. His Balance should see a decrease

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Re: Cristiano RONALDO | 2003-2004

Postby Yowza » 2009 Jul 07, 11:00

Balance 81? That slim-jim diving machine? :shock:

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Re: Cristiano RONALDO | 2003-2004

Postby Uzair » 2009 Jul 07, 12:34

surely top speed and shot power should be higher. he's also been fast (doesn't seem to be any reason why he's so much slower than his current self) and he's also been able to whack the ball with some power.

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Re: Cristiano RONALDO | 2003-2004

Postby Brezza » 2009 Jul 07, 15:18

I agree with Tom he didn't deserve that high attack around that time id give him a slightly higher value than Nani at 78

He was always pretty damn quick, didn't quite have the godly acceleration than he has now but he was a bit faster than this id say Top speed: 88
Acceleration: 92.

Shot power should be above shot technique, still mastering his shooting at this time it shouldnt be this close to his present day ST. he would blast balls wide from rather easy positions under pressure at times, id probably say 82 at the most. Shot power should be around Nani's range of 85-87.

Also Middle shooting should be removed and consistency lowered.

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Re: Cristiano RONALDO | 2003-2004

Postby p1rha » 2009 Jul 07, 15:51

A little age mistake;)

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He was definitely able to last 90 minutes with ease, an 83/84 for Stamina would be better

I don't think he ever did a full match for Manchester in his 1st season, besides he can last the 90 minutes with 78.

And let's not forget that this was the era where Ronaldo went down at the slightest touch and never really outmuscled anyone at all. His Balance should see a decrease

Balance 81? That slim-jim diving machine? :shock:

You're right :lol: 76?

shot power should be higher.

Shot power should be above shot technique, still mastering his shooting at this time it shouldnt be this close to his present day ST. he would blast balls wide from rather easy positions under pressure at times, id probably say 82 at the most. Shot power should be around Nani's range of 85-87.

Maybe i was a bit harsh with 83, but he was a toothpick backthen, not the mustang u see now.
If he used to shoot the balls "wide", wich i agree, then it was due to lack of accuracy, not shot technique, he always hit the ball decently. SP 86?

I wouldn't give him such a high Attack value at that point in his career either, a very high 70 would be better suited.

I agree with Tom he didn't deserve that high attack around that time id give him a slightly higher value than Nani at 78

He has always been better in the box than Nani, but since it's kind of unanimous i'll low it to 79 for now. With such agression that won't be a problem.

he's also been fast (doesn't seem to be any reason why he's so much slower than his current self)

Yes, he was fast. He could in fact slow down the tempo of the game with his ridiculous dribbles, he could be very fast but there were faster players.

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Re: Cristiano RONALDO | 2002-2003 & 2003-2004

Postby p1rha » 2009 Dec 04, 16:46

Added 2007/2008 set

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Re: Cristiano RONALDO | 2002/03 & 2003/04 & 2007/08

Postby Plava Čigra » 2009 Dec 04, 17:19

1. His height in 1st and 3rd set is 185 cm. In 2nd set is 184 cm. Please correct that.

2. His Response in first set (that Classical made) is 78 while in the second (you made) is 75. Somehow that doesn't seem right (at least to me). Somehow I think it should be other way round.

3. Add old Special Abilities in 3rd set:

*Dribbling
*Tactical Dribbling
*Positioning
*Reaction
*Scoring
*Penalties
*1-Touch Pass
*Outside

Thanks for adding the third set. :)

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Re: Cristiano RONALDO | 2002/03 & 2003/04 & 2007/08

Postby p1rha » 2009 Dec 04, 18:39

The 1st post isn't mine, so i won't change anything unless classical says so. But i'll ask him when i can ;)

About the height, current set has 1,86 but i think that's due to the stupid bristish measure system, when they convert inches to centimetres. I have a source for 1,84/75, another for 1,85/78 and now he's over 80 kg but he hasn't grow after 22.

About response ... well it's complicated since no one is wiling to give response values below 75, and 75 is what i really think he deserves for his young days.

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Re: Cristiano RONALDO | 2002-2008

Postby Plava Čigra » 2009 Dec 04, 20:21

I didn't want you to change Classical's post. My point was that when I look at your post (when he was 18-19 years old) and Classical's post (when he was 17-18 years old), it seemed that his Response got worse as he was older (and I don't think that was the case). I think either his Response stay on the same level, or it got better as he was older (I personally think it got a bit better as he was older). It makes no sense to get worse as he was older. I hope this explanation is precise enough. ;)

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Re: Cristiano RONALDO | 2002-2008

Postby p1rha » 2009 Dec 04, 20:53

NightCaller3 wrote:I didn't want you to change Classical's post. My point was that when I look at your post (when he was 18-19 years old) and Classical's post (when he was 17-18 years old), it seemed that his Response got worse as he was older (and I don't think that was the case). I think either his Response stay on the same level, or it got better as he was older (I personally think it got a bit better as he was older). It makes no sense to get worse as he was older. I hope this explanation is precise enough. ;)


I understood it the first time and i ur right about that. I'll try to talk classical to lower his instead of raising mine.

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Re: Cristiano RONALDO | 2002-2008

Postby Brezza » 2009 Dec 04, 23:13

Tidied up a bit and changed the picture as it was making the page wider than Katie Price's snatch. ;)
Im not sure people wil like him being so different from the current day Ronaldo, even though it was his best so far. But I'd say he was/is even faster than this though, personally my rating for 07/08 would be Ts: 92 Acc: 96 imo.

I find it funny that you constantly go on about how classic players should respect current ladders more in terms of them being overrated… well it works both way mate, 75 for response is definitely underrated . It isnt within the standards that we use for players on this site either, seeing as it makes players virtually retarded. There’s nothing wrong with giving him high 70's for the younger era set.

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Re: Cristiano RONALDO | 2002-2008

Postby p1rha » 2009 Dec 05, 00:25

But he was retarded!

Young Cristiano was retarded, in Sporting he was full of skill but he was crap and even retarded Quaresma was less reatarded than he was and that's why Boloni prefered to play Quaresma over Ronaldo. He seemed to have a mystical atraction for the corner flag, maybe no one explained him that ur suposed to put the ball between those white metal bars, instead of just runing foward with it like there's no tomorrow. They should have also explain him that he wasn't playing on the street anymore were the guy who does more nutmegs is the best. Thank god Fergie explaind him all this. :)

Rui Jorge (a cultured SB who played behind him) when asked about the sucess of Ronaldo abroad said wonders about his talent only to end with something like this: he was also the most didficult player i ever played with. I had to run twice as much every game to cover for him because he just wanted to run and run and run.

In the NT Simão was better than him in the opinion of many people. Why? Ronaldo was basically better than Simão at everything except passing and ... thinking! Even today in Madrid, just observe how fast Kaka reacts to a ball and compare it to Ronaldo.

Anyway Ronaldo retardness is more about TW so does 78 for response sound OK? And what value for response would u choose for his 2007-08 set? About him being significantly diferent from the current set well... there's not such a big diference, and that's what i truly think he deserves. No need to have TS, Acc and DS all in the reds, when i play with him i feel he is already faster than in real life.

And thanx for tiding this up, much better now. ;)

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Re: Cristiano RONALDO | 2002-2008

Postby Brezza » 2009 Dec 05, 19:08

Yes he was but not that much :P . I just think its a case of you having different standards i'll try and find the post that JMG on how to rate response. Imo 75 is what you would give a poor third division player the 78 and teamwork you have updated is fine now.

Id probably rate 2007/08 set around 85 in response , mainly due to his sharpness in and around the box. And to me he's absolutely lighting fast, even faster than today seeing as he's put on more bulk and has come back from his first major injury in his career. I don't see that much difference between him and the likes of Robben and Ribery when in full flight, also considering his height/weight compared to the two. He's an orange in ts at least.

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Re: Cristiano RONALDO | 2002-2008

Postby p1rha » 2009 Dec 05, 19:39

What i think it was really amazing was his agility and aceleration more than anything. The way he could move his skinny legs, the way he could just change direction and activate that spring he had... Now he hasn't lost that much TS if any but he has lost a lot of agility and some of his burst. See the issue is (and this is valid for a every player) that being heavier u suffer from more inercia, so if u speed up too much u just can't stop. That's why big players are slow, because they can't use their top speed to the full, they can't stop or turn at high speed so there's no use in sprinting.

It's a matter of standarts, i agree that in relative terms he deserves an orange value but i don't have any player in my OF with both speed, acc & DS in the reds. Not even Henry, i think there's a limit and above that limit it's just unrealistic.
Anyway, the way i play with him is based on quick burst > step over> 2nd quick burst & wave bye. No one can stop him, so i'm happy with these values but i understand ur concern and i agree that, acording to the standarts here, he deserves a higher TS. Now give me a number. ;)

And don't worry about his reactions, with his agression and "free romaing" he will look like ke is sharp upfront.

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Re: Cristiano RONALDO | 2002-2008

Postby Jez » 2009 Dec 06, 02:35

Respect for having the guts to post the 07/08 set ;)
There are a few figures i disagree with though, I have a set myself somewhere so i'll post my suggestions later

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Re: Cristiano RONALDO | 2002-2008

Postby bssm » 2009 Dec 06, 13:14

Ronaldo has never been and probably never will be an 85 free kick accuracy player, should be 83 at best.

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Re: Cristiano RONALDO | 2002-2008

Postby sencesor » 2009 Dec 06, 21:19

Good set of stats p1rha. agree that TS could be 90-92, and RES 85 is also what I have him in my OF, for the reason Brezza Mentioned - sharpness around the box.

Other than that, looks pretty good. ;)


EDIT - MEN & TW should probably be as the current: 74, 78 though.

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Re: Cristiano RONALDO | 2002-2008

Postby Jez » 2009 Dec 10, 09:52

Defence: 39 - don't see any need for this version to have a different value for defence (same as current)
Balance: 84 - again, the current value reflect what he was like in 07/08 (same as current)
Top Speed: 91 - slightly better as brezza said
Acceleration: 96 - same as current ronaldo (same as current)
Response: 87 - imo, he showed amazing reactions to lose balls this season, easily on par with some top strikers imo
Agility: 93 - again, no more agile that the current ronaldo (same as current)
Dribble Accuracy: 93 - again, no better a dribbler (same as current)
Long Pass Speed: 88 - same reasoning as the majority of the above (same as current)
Shot Accuracy: 84 - has to be rated better than the current stats, not sure why you've rated him two points lower
Curling: 90 - a figure i think the current ronaldo should have but i'm going to suggest it here for now
Header: 88 - i think if we are going to talk about this season regardless of any others, then he deserves this rating for header. he was epic in this area, yes, a lot was to do with his amazing jump, but his actual headers were amazing, so much power and accuracy went into them
Technique: 93 - above reasons (same as current)
Mentality: 74 - above reasons (same as current)
Team Work: 78 - above reasons (same as current)

EDIT: also shot power 90 imo

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