Massimo Ambrosini

[Epsi]

[nico90]

well 76 isn't a bad value at all, no? it is over the average value of an average sb

[Ajacied_Breda1]

blah, do as you will with the DEF, ill just keep him gattuso, toure, cambiasso and quite a few other DMF's rated "high" in DEF in my OF..

its just my opinion that solid DMF's should have high seventies in DEF to further distance them from SB's, if you guys dont agree then it doesnt matter, you take the easy way, lower him and gattuso instead of rasing most other DMF's

you can ignore my disagree then because its just something that im thinking on a global scale about DMF's, my scale is just rated a bit higher

Thing is, a SB and DMF function way differently. You can't compare stats for different positions, certain positions are simply rated differently from others because stats have a bigger/smaller effect on a player in another position.

A defence of 79 for a central midfielder? C'mon, that's madness. Look at Rfuna's reaction, I say; well backed with logic and I agree with lowering him, simply because he's not that good defensively as these stats make him out to be.

76 it is.

As for the bullcrap after this, either take it into PM or shut up; please stop throwing crappy irrelevant posts in this thread.

[Misery-]

Yes,this DEF decrease should be fair imo.
1st cause of ladders placement,second because he's a foulish tackler and with the *Sliding star a lower DEF might help a little too...
*reaction should stay,cause he does this late runs in the box to collect crosses and also shows this in a "panic mode" when milan is chasing a game....
In my opinion *Positioning is a must,no matter if you are a Defender or a Midfielder,he actually has got the behaviour that the star represents,so i stick my previous....
summarizing:

ATK @ 71 (zuo,BECKS23LA,bff,Hitman) [Nico90]
DEF @ 76 (zuo,Rfuna,Nico90) [Hitman]
AGG @ 74 (zuo,Nico90)
*Positioning (zuo,Nico90,tejesjani,Alex10,BECKS23LA)[Hitman] ?Rfuna?

edit:uptaded agree count w/nico

agree with above.

i will suggest that mentality to be orange figure.

hes 1 of the only few in milan that gives his all in every match.
hes always 1st to the ball, losing to gattuso only.
a deserved captain armband though i wonder if he will feature regularly with gattuso and flamini fighting for a place.

[Rfuna]

updated agility, attack and aggression. added postioning* (not at all sure about this but there are 4/5 votes for it)

[zuo]

good update. try to play against him and you'll notice the difference..

[Misery-]

i suggest to raise mentality to at least on par with flamini at 91

in all matches, he never stops running and is always 1st to the ball. i would say his mentality is 2nd only to gattuso.

now that he has the captain armband, i believe he will work even harder

[zuo]

some real slight and sooo conservative tweaks to make him his rightly position in the ladder:

DA @ 76
DS @ 75
TEC @ 77 [Inzaghii's on 77 :| ]

[spinaL]

some real slight and sooo conservative tweaks to make him his rightly position in the ladder:

DA @ 76
DS @ 75
TEC @ 77 [Inzaghii's on 77 :| ]

Good suggestions, im in for it

[Misery-]

some real slight and sooo conservative tweaks to make him his rightly position in the ladder:

DA @ 76
DS @ 75
TEC @ 77 [Inzaghii's on 77 :| ]

Good suggestions, im in for it :)

add me to the list. agree.

[Playboy]

I found his def of 76 a bit high..
74 would do fine.. as he is not real DMF, he's more of a CMF on side ( then again , not real SMF)
His balance and mentality , height and header is what Ambrossini is all about, defense not good enough to be 76.

I play against my bro almost every day PES 2009, and he is fan of Milan.. no matter how much we here try to make players more realistic.. Milan is for 2 years really really overrated in much aspects ( pirlo, gattuso, jankulovski , kaladze,.. even ambrossini because of defence as I see it now when I look at the ladders).

[prosser2k10]

some real slight and sooo conservative tweaks to make him his rightly position in the ladder:

DA @ 76
DS @ 75
TEC @ 77 [Inzaghii's on 77 :| ]

Good suggestions, im in for it

add me to the list. agree.

agree

[Playboy]

some real slight and sooo conservative tweaks to make him his rightly position in the ladder:

DA @ 76
DS @ 75
TEC @ 77 [Inzaghii's on 77 :| ]

Good suggestions, im in for it

add me to the list. agree.

agree

I agree too with those updates, but take into consideration the things I posted that needs lowering.

[master smurf]

I found his def of 76 a bit high..
74 would do fine.. as he is not real DMF, he's more of a CMF on side ( then again , not real SMF)
His balance and mentality , height and header is what Ambrossini is all about, defense not good enough to be 76.

I play against my bro almost every day PES 2009, and he is fan of Milan.. no matter how much we here try to make players more realistic.. Milan is for 2 years really really overrated in much aspects ( pirlo, gattuso, jankulovski , kaladze,.. even ambrossini because of defence as I see it now when I look at the ladders).

WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE!!!

[Rfuna]

some real slight and sooo conservative tweaks to make him his rightly position in the ladder:

DA @ 76
DS @ 75
TEC @ 77

ANymore agrees/disagrees on the above and lowering Defence to 74?

[prosser2k10]

some real slight and sooo conservative tweaks to make him his rightly position in the ladder:

DA @ 76
DS @ 75
TEC @ 77

ANymore agrees/disagrees on the above and lowering Defence to 74?

i agree with defence to 74 and i think there is 6 or 7 agree's for zuo's suggestions i think this can be updated

[Rfuna]

updated DA, DS and tech. I'm pretty certain he doesnt deserve reaction*. Just because he joins the attack or runs into the area for a cross, doesn't mean he deserves it. He needs to make sudden runs into the area when Pirlo and Seedorf are in possession, before they look to pass, and I can't recall seeing him do that.

[zuo]

imo his aerial passing is seriously underrated,he is able to do some good long passes.
LPA in the 77-78 range and LPS in the 78-79 range for sure.

LPA 77(Marcolini,Pepe,Guarente,Jovetic,Matuzalem,Mexes)
LPA 78(Muntari[maybe overrated?],Vargas,Flamini,Materazzi,Sculli,Zebina)

along this,a conservative standardized CURLING @ 69


69: Andrea RAGGI, Matías SILVESTRE, Lorenzo ARIAUDO, Oguchi ONYEWU, Pietro ACCARDI, György GARICS, Giovanni MARCHESE, Francesco SCARDINA, Daniele DE VEZZE, Giulio MIGLIACCIO, Simone PERROTTA, Kwadwo ASAMOAH, Davide BOMBARDINI

LPA @ 77-78
LPS @ 78-79
CURL @ 69

[prosser2k10]

imo his aerial passing is seriously underrated,he is able to do some good long passes.
LPA in the 77-78 range and LPS in the 78-79 range for sure.

LPA 77(Marcolini,Pepe,Guarente,Jovetic,Matuzalem,Mexes)
LPA 78(Muntari[maybe overrated?],Vargas,Flamini,Materazzi,Sculli,Zebina)

along this,a conservative standardized CURLING @ 69


69: Andrea RAGGI, Matías SILVESTRE, Lorenzo ARIAUDO, Oguchi ONYEWU, Pietro ACCARDI, György GARICS, Giovanni MARCHESE, Francesco SCARDINA, Daniele DE VEZZE, Giulio MIGLIACCIO, Simone PERROTTA, Kwadwo ASAMOAH, Davide BOMBARDINI

LPA @ 77-78
LPS @ 78-79
CURL @ 69

Agree with your suggestions zuo mate

[BECKS23LA]

agree too and i suggest in cards;


P10 – Box to Box
P17 – Free Roaming
S01 – Reaction
S08 – Slide Tackle

[Rfuna]

LPA @ 77-78
LPS @ 78-79
CURL @ 69

i would have had lpa over lps, and curling in the 70s. Again disagree with reaction* or Free Roaming and reaction cards.

In sum:

LPA @ 78
LPS @ 76
curl @ 76

remove reaction* and registered position as DMF