Argentinean Lower Leagues - List of all the players

[julgui]

[Vickingo]

I'm making a general overhaul of key stats of stamina in lower divisions. Obviously all of players that I could watch last season and comparing with other leagues/1st division/2nd division players. I'm not saying that I'm updating in each thread to not spam it. All of it are with total logic and taking into account lastest version of PES about those ratings and lasts PES discussions here and how stamina performs in players. Lots of players of 3rd division are terrible overrated, so step by step I'm trying to find the balance between AFA leagues. I was testing 3rd division players in PES 2012 and it's completely unrealistic compared with other far better teams.

You can follow changes here, and if are doubts/suggestions, just tell me.
http://pesstatsdatabase.com/PSD/UpdatesChampionship.php?Championship=40

[Vickingo]

Here I made a list of those players that must be deleted from this section which is full of garbage and non important players, not needed and it bother tbh. Also we can't keep an eye on these divisions, nobody cares about it and nobody will put them in their OF. So I've kept just those players with posibility to play in a better division or key/important/legend player who must be here as case Ortega or Bazan Vera. Please delete all that shit to have less players and focus in A/B Nacional players. It doesn't matter if a player of here in the future is contrated by one of A/B as these sets are trustable and in other way we'll have to work again in him.

Keepers: Delete all.
Defenders:

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Iván MACALIK, Temperley
Matías VILLAVICENCIO, Central Norte
Roberto TUCKER, Sarmiento (is twice in database)
Walter RIBONETTO, Talleres
Carlos MADEO, Barracas Central
Ricardo MOREIRA, Tiro Federal
Samuel CÁCERES ARZA, Nueva Chicago

Midfielders:

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Andrés SAN MARTÍN, Sportivo Italiano
Ezequiel LÁZARO, Alumni
Fabio PIETERS, Sarmiento de Junín
Facundo AGUSTINOY
Federico IÑIGUEZ, Acassuso
Germán SCAMPORRINO, Estudiantes BA
Gustavo BRITOS, Sportivo Italiano
Gustavo SEVER, Acassuso
Ignacio ORONÁ, Villa San Carlos
Iván NADAL, Defensores de Belgrano
José Luis GÓMEZ, Los Andes
Marcelo VIEYTES, Deportivo Morón
Martín ANDRIZZI, Sarmiento
Sebastián Alberto BATTAGLIA, Platense
Lionel COUDANNES, Central Córdoba SdE
Martín FABRO, Brown de Adrogué
Juan Pablo FRANCIA, Sportivo Belgrano
Matías GARCÍA, Santamarina (T)
Sebastián MAYORGA, Acassuso
Ariel ORTEGA, Defensores de Belgrano

Forwards:

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Adrián DE LEÓN, Unión MdP
Alexis BLANCO, Platense
Damián AKERMAN, Deportivo Morón
Daniel BAZÁN VERA, Tristán Suárez
Daniel GIMÉNEZ, Racing de Córdoba
Gonzalo ABÁN, Racing Olavarría
Gustavo BALVORÍN, San Martín Tucumán
Gustavo IBÁÑEZ, San Martín Tucumán
Héctor ÁLVAREZ, Juventud Antoniana
Jonathan TRIDENTE, Los Andes
Juan Manuel ARÓSTEGUI, Sportivo Belgrano
Leandro ARMANI, Tiro Federal
Leandro BENEGAS, Deportivo Armenio
Leandro GURRIERI, Atlético Policial
Luciano CIPRIANI, San Telmo
Luciano LO BIANCO, Sarmiento
Mariano CAMPODÓNICO, Temperley
Mauro CONOCCHIARI, Deportivo Morón
Maximiliano CASTANO, Los Andes
Ramón ÁBILA, Sarmiento
Rubén Darío FERRER, Nueva Chicago
Sebastián COBELLI, Acasuso
Sergio MARCLAY, Temperley
Héctor CUEVAS, Sarmiento de Junín
Maximiliano GIUSTI, Almagro
Gastón CASAS, Defensores de Belgrano
Wilson SEVERINO, Atlas
Gonzalo LUDUEÑA, Defensores de Belgrano
Antonio ROJANO, Villa San Carlos
Hernán SALAZAR, Social Español

[gotaa]

I guess that's the list of the players who DON'T have to be deleted, uh? Yeah, I had started doing the same job as Nrby asked me, but never could end doing it, as it took much time to corroborate if "X" player was still in "Y" club and so on. Anyways, we'll be waiting until the end of the season to see which teams promote (I have Nrby's agreement there) and then the other players will be deleted. Even some of the players in your list should be deleted (such as Cobelli or Ribonetto -who has already retired, but I didn't move to that section because... who the hell would use it anyways?), the only ones which will be kept are those who are more or less young and (as you also say) have chances of getting to a Nacional B/Primera Division team.

[Vickingo]

I guess that's the list of the players who DON'T have to be deleted, uh? Yeah, I had started doing the same job as Nrby asked me, but never could end doing it, as it took much time to corroborate if "X" player was still in "Y" club and so on. Anyways, we'll be waiting until the end of the season to see which teams promote (I have Nrby's agreement there) and then the other players will be deleted. Even some of the players in your list should be deleted (such as Cobelli or Ribonetto -who has already retired, but I didn't move to that section because... who the hell would use it anyways?), the only ones which will be kept are those who are more or less young and (as you also say) have chances of getting to a Nacional B/Primera Division team.

Yeah I meant to say "mustn't", I'm sorry. Agree on that, btw dunno if it's needed to wait for relegation, we should work in all of those players anyway as their sets are mostly crap. I'd rather delete all except these one (didn't know about Ribonetto) and start from zero to don't be guided by those sets.

[Vickingo]

As I can't bump this I'd like to know if it's possible to be done Matias...It's pretty necessary and as most of those leagues done...it's time.

[gotaa]

Yes, I have to collect the IDs of the players that will be deleted and then I'll send to Nrby.


EDIT:
So, from now on, I'll start deleting the topics that won't remain either in the forum or in the database. I've already told Nrby, so don't get surprised lol.

[Vickingo]

What about do another massive delete of useless topics in Lower division Matias now that we know all relegated and promoted teams?

[gotaa]

Yes, I was waiting for the transfers period to end, but I don't think there'll be major movements this week. The list of players that -imo- must stay is:

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Nicolás TAUBER, Chacarita
Matías PISANO, Chacarita
Ángel PIZ, Chacarita
Matías NIZZO, Chacarita
Daniel PEREIRA, Chacarita
Rodrigo ESPÍNDOLA, Chacarita
Ramón LENTINI, Chacarita
Sergio SAGARZAZÚ, Chacarita
Emanuel MORALES, Chaca
Cristian GUANCA, Chacarita
Federico BARRIONUEVO, Chacarita
Matías ZALDIVIA, Chacarita
Rodrigo LEMOS, Chacarita
Pablo MONSALVO, Chacarita
Sebastián PENA, Chacarita
Daniel GOJMERAC, Chacarita
Gabriel TELLAS, Chacarita

Matías VALDEZ, Atlanta
Lucas MANCINELLI, Atlanta
Andrés SORIANO, Atlanta

Aldo VISCONTI, Los Andes
Brian NIEVA, Los Andes

Federico CRIVELLI, Temperley
Gastón AGUIRRE, Temperley

Cristian TAVIO, Estudiantes de Caseros
Abel SORIANO, Estudiantes de Caseros

Ricardo MOREIRA, Tiro Federal
Leandro ARMANI, Tiro Federal

Rodrigo PEPE, Platense
Facundo MELIVILLO, Platense

Gustavo IBÁÑEZ, San Martín Tucumán
Alejandro RÉBOLA, San Martín de Tucumán
Gustavo BALVORÍN, San Martín Tucumán
Lucas BUSTOS, San Martín de Tucumán

Diego CHITZOFF, Talleres
Jesús NIEVAS, Talleres
Gastón BOTTINO, Talleres
Gonzalo KLUSENER, Talleres

Jorge TORRES, Tristán Suárez
Daniel BAZÁN VERA, Tristán Suárez

Martín CABRERA, Deportivo Morón
Andrés NUÑEZ, Deportivo Morón
Ramón ÁBILA, Deportivo Morón

Gonzalo PARISI, Brown (PM)
Ricardo CHAVARRI, Brown (PM)

Gabriel PEREYRA, Defensores de Belgrano
Juan Pablo FRANCIA, Sportivo Belgrano
ROBERVAL, Desamparados
Gonzalo ABÁN, Racing Olavarría
Mauro VILLEGAS, CAI
Catriel ORCELLET, Gimnasia CDU
Franco DOLCI ---> ?

The following ones are players that have more or less accurate sets but I don't know where the hell they've gone. Probably could go to Non Affiliated

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Emanuel CENTURIÓN
Maximiliano GIUSTI ---> shoulda return to Velez but dunno where he really is.
Adrián DE LEÓN
Guido MILÁN
Leonardo BORZANI
Nicolás RAMÍREZ
Walter CUEVAS
Erick APARICIO
Gastón STANG

I have doubts on these ones, either because: 1) they're old players; 2) they're mainly not useful or don't have big chances of getting to a superior league; or 3) I don't completely trust their sets. I'd delete 'em all too, if it were by me.

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Diego BIELKIEWICZ
Gastón CASAS, Defensores de Belgrano
Juan Manuel ARÓSTEGUI, Sportivo Belgrano
Leonardo RODA, Defensores de Belgrano
Mariano CAMPODÓNICO, Temperley
Antonio ROJANO, Villa San Carlos
Alexis BLANCO, Platense
Ariel ORTEGA, Defensores de Belgrano
Leandro GURRIERI, Atlético Policial
Sebastián Alberto BATTAGLIA, Platense
Martín FABRO, Brown de Adrogué
Santiago SOTO, Alvarado
Alejandro FRIEDRICH
Fernando FONTANA
Mauricio ALMADA, Tristán Suárez
Carlos ARCE
Brian RESCH, Sportivo Belgrano
Cristian GUTIÉRREZ
Facundo TALÍN, Platense

The rest of the players should be gone. Take a look to these lists, leave any suggestion in case you have and we'll see later.

[Vickingo]

Totally agree, are mostly unnecessary. I wouldn't delete Chaca's stats as it's probably they will be promoted the next year and by sentimental But if you need an agreement for the whole rest, i'm there. Good job doing that.

[gotaa]

No, I hope and believe the same will happen, Chacarita players will remain. I'll add to this list some nacional B players (Dellaguila, Mariano Viola, Pedro Irala, Merlo's free agents) and some of 1st division I had already told you (GOLD BETIG, ALARCON, SACHETTO, GALIANA), no problems with that right? I'll send it to Norbert as soon as possible

[Vickingo]

Yeah I forgot those players, go ahead...it's for the best and to work with less players. Currently is a chaos. Btw thanks for the hardwork analysing players, it'd take a long while.

[Vickingo]

Well...deleted tones of useless topics after Nrby deleted their ID's. Problem is: there are 66 players in the editor and there are 69 in Lower Divisions here. I entered thousands of times in each thread, probably after that madness of deletion of topics I could get a bit distracted and didn't realize when a topic hasn't stats, but I doubt it. Matias, could you take a look by yourself then?

Also I've noticed there are one or two players with stats in editor but without topic (I've already told you by Facebook). It was a good start and i'm happy now we haven't useless topics. Despite doing all this, still -and watching closer- there are useless players in the forum of Lower Divisions.

[gotaa]

There are cases such as Gustavo Britos, in which I overwrote them in the editor to make another player, and probably after didn't delete the topic in the forum. And we will have always one more topic in here than players in the editor, because of this thread. It's probably that. I'll check anyways. Thanks for taking the work of deleting all these players

[mauro_rojo]

Que lástima que hayan borrado todo, a los que usamos las ligas de ascenso eran de gran utilidad esos stats.

MOD EDIT: It wasn't our decision but we agreed on them. It isn't trustable a whole database of players we barely watch.
PS: Please speak just in English.