Alexandre Pato

[Gugu]

[al_pacino]

his DS up to 90 maybe..

[pedala robinho]

TBH, I can even agree with DS: 90... Looks a good sugestion ...

[lfc 4 eva]

I think that his Dribble Accuracy should be more than 1 point higher than Torres. 86/87 would be better I think.

[Zeem]

I am no expert at stats, but from what I have seen him during his time at Milan, I think his DA should be higher than his DS

[jmg721]

I am no expert at stats, but from what I have seen him during his time at Milan, I think his DA should be higher than his DS

I like seeing some familiar faces from the Serie A thread on Evo-Web

The way I see DA & DS is I rate them on different sorts of scales. DA is related to how good he is a controlling the ball on the dribble compared to other players. That way he is now "overrated", but appropriately rated. And DS is in relation to what percentage of their TS they reach while dribbling the ball.

From what I have noticed, he doesn't loose much pace on the ball...so the 87 value seems justified. DA is one that can definitely be looked at. Take a look at some Serie A(or world) players, and see who you think he is in line with. Like LFC said about him being better than Torres

You should introduce yourself in the Introduce Yourself Section

[metronomo]

it could be seen as nonsense, but pato is faster match after match.....the last one he practically sprint in all the balls he touched...

[pedala robinho]

OK, since you guys are trying to Update Pato, I'll try to make use of the ladders to justify our suggestions.

Attack: 83 - Pato's positioning is amazing good for a boy of his age. He's really mature at that aspect. He will be rated one point more than Zárate, Higuain and Rossi, two more than Bendtner and Cavani. Since Aguero is rated at 85, I think this number enough for Pato.
Top Speed: 90 - Needs to justify? Like said, he's getting faster match after match, for more "unsense" this sounds.
Agility: 88 - Pato have an crazy agility, without doubt. The specialists says he have "Agilidade Felina" (Cat Agility). With this number, he'll be on company of Bojan Krkic, Giovani dos Santos, Ezequiel Lavezzi, Giuseppe Rossi. Don't know why he isn't here yet.
Dribble Accuracy: 86 - His best qualities are surely his Pace and his Technique, but, he's still skilled, and combined at his superb close control, is what makes he a "special" player. With this number, he'll be on pair with Giuseppe Rossi and Mauro Zárate. He'll be a bit better than Bojan Krkic, Giovani dos Santos, Fernando Torres, Benzema... But he still will not be as good as Ben Arfa.
Dribble Speed: 90 - One of the fastest young talents, with or without the ball. He'll have WBS: 81. Sounds perfect, if we compare with other players, like Messi, who have 84, Aguero, who have 81.
Shot Accuracy: 83 - He have a really accurate shot. He's a bit worst than Benzema and Aguero, but still accurate. So, disagree with 84, but agree with the low number.
Technique: 88 - On pair with Benzema. Surelly. Better than Menez, better than Rossi.

[Misery-]

can we take a look at his stamina and mentality also?

stamina update to at least 84 (on par with pirlo & seedorf) ? pato shouldnt have lower stamina than inzaghi.

mentality and teamwork could use an update also.

hes the only few players in milan that never stops running and lasts the whole match using his pace to give defenders problems.

and he has great understanding with ronaldinho and kaka up front creating many team moves together.

[jmg721]

I went through and deleted a lot of unnecessary posts. It's sad that before that, there were more replies on the Pato thread than all but 5 Serie A teams

I made some executive decisions & updated:

Attack: 83
DS: 90
Tech: 88

There was good discussion and explanation from pedala, and even if I do feel he is better at 87 for now....I was trumped. Especially with Helios suggesting an 89, and he is a much better stats maker than me

Now the rest I feel still need more thorough discussion before I can update.
More Discussion:

Bal: 79-80(metronomo) 79(defrenz)(ulises)
Sta: 84(misery)
TS: 89(ulises)(pes_hhc)(metronomo)(Kris)(brunnoce)(s-j23) 90(leonardo)(lfc)(Angel of Death)(pedala)
Agi: 88(leonardo)(lfc)(Angel of Death)(pedala)
DA: 86(leonardo)(Angel of Death)(pedala) 86/87(lfc)
SA: 82(rfuna)(alex) 83(crisfar)(pedala) 83/84(leonardo)(lfc)(Angel of Death)
Header: 79-80(defrenz)(pedala)(kris)

With speed I think we really need to settle on a value. He is very fast, but I don't think we know exactly how fast. I personally don't have a problem with either value. I just know he is not as fast as Abate who sits at 91.

For Agility I am not sure he is on par with Lavezzi yet. It's the Giovinco arguement. I think we need to see him use his agility at a higher level more consistently IMO. I feel if you put Pato at 88, there is nothing to stop the Giovinvo watchers from wanting him at an 90+. Not sold that Pato fits in at 88 yet either. The only reason I'd be okay with Pato at 88 is if Alexis SÁNCHEZ(91), Fabrizio MICCOLI(90), GIOVINCO/Foggia(89), MASCARA/LAVEZZI/DI NATALE(88) all moved up one point. Plus Rosina who is currently sitting at 86....will have to go up to an to an 89, because I stated, "definitely above IBRA, CAMORANESI, RONALDINHO, Alexandre PATO" If you can't tell, I've kept a close eye on the Agility ladder in the Serie A

I agree with your DA suggestion.

Edit: last time I spend an hour and a half in the Pato thread

[metronomo]

i agree also 84 in stamina, he now can play 90 minutes and still running....
agility 88 is correct, he is very agile with the ball and obviously without it (taking off rivals)
DA upgrade to 86, its fine, he really has precision while making dribbles....
SA could be on 83/84 cause he has a great accuracy in his shots, also he doesnt *scoring or *1-1 scoring so it will be great to level up his s. accuracy
header must be 80, despite his 179cm, he stills has a great header...also he had scored goals in this way before...

[jmg721]

The problem I have with this post is that you haven't shown awareness to the rest of the Serie A or Database ladders. I feel by putting Pato at certain values, we will have to look at raising other players....especially in the Agility dept. If you all truely feel he smoothly fits in at 88, and is on the same level as all the players I mentioned...than okay. I am really having a hard time swallowing that. All of those players depend on their agility due to their small stature. I've never thought Pato to be equal to these players (in agility)

[pedala robinho]

Agree with jmg721. IMO, for now, the stats are good for Pato. Specially in Agility, maybe we should wait a bit more. His Shot is really accurate, but, BTW, I'm not sure if he deserve to be near to Aguero yet. About his header... Yeah, Pato have a really nice header, but I'd put at 79. Although he have a nice header, his jumps are more special than his headers.

But, the only change that I'd will do for now, is his DA: 86, although I'd like to hear other opinions.

[zuo]

i wanna talk about his top speed. With the current DS he is VERY fast on long runs ball at feet....i think that the difference between the first meters and the long run is more. I see him a lot of times and he seems to lose brilliance on the distance. to me 89 seems a real big number..just to make an example,against fiorentina vargas was able to catch him on the distance after having literally lost the guy in the first 10 meters

[jmg721]

In tech ladder thread here are some notes:
Currently at 88

ANIS89, CAPONE87

[Bakaman]

He surely is improving as a CF, but I think that it's a little too soon to give him a *reaction star. I would wait til the end of the season at least.

I'm guessing that we're gonna add a *mid shooting star in the future... Maybe in two years or so.


About the stats...


Dribble Accuracy 87 - He had 85 when he arrived at Milan and he is improving a lot. He still misses sometimes , but I think that 85 is too harsh.

Shot Power 84 ,
Shot Technique 84 - I reckon that these would work better with him. He can strike the ball really hard sometimes , but not always, plus he tends to score more goals with well placed but slower shots... At least when he is inside the box.

Header 79 - I really admire his headers, specially because he is not the tallest guy around. Jump covers the height issue I guess, but I still think that Header 77 is too low. I didn't really count , but I'm guessing that he hit about 7 headers in 10 tries, and scored about 5? I wouldn't argue with 80 either, but maybe we should advance more slowly

I'm not satisfied with his FK accuracy too... I think that it should be a little lower, but he hardly takes any FKs nowadays so I guess that we must wait.

Please discuss

[HitMan]

about FK accuracy, you cant really expect him to take a FK when u got beckham/pirlo on ur team

[BECKS23LA]

Header is fine perhaps 78 max!

But Jump could be 84 no ?

[spinaL]

I suggest HEA/JUMP - 79/83

[DeFrenZ]

i previously dais 79 for HEA wouldn't argue up to 81 though

[metronomo]

i think header 80 jump 83