Cristian Ledesma

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Cristian Ledesma

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 09, 14:35

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Physical Abilites:
He is slow, and definitely not as fast as Donadel. He uses his BB, Res & DS to compensate for his lack of pace. He does have a decent 1st two steps, and then usually gets beaten for pace. He needs to have a high BB to make him play realistic. He is great at shielding the ball from defenders, and can occasional make a crunching tackle. He is not as strong as Bentivoglio or Kolarov, but given the size difference they should still be stronger. Ledesma will still be able to get out muscled by the Totti's or even Cassano's of the Serie A. But he will also be able to body out the likes of Stankevicious. I have been a bit harsh on his agility and he does look much more agile WITH the ball, but much of his deficiencies in defense come from his inability to change direction quickly.

Attk/Def & Res:
He is a streaky player in this aspect. It basically determines if he had a good game or not...how sharp he is on the day. I would say 4 out of 5 games, he has a very sharp response. On his bad days he has good response. Where are defense I'd say 2 out of 5 he is bad in his positioning anticipation, and general reading defensively, 2 out of 5 he is solid, and 1 out of 5 he is good. He is definitely is an offensive threat, but rarely gets into the attack except following set pieces. His most common defensive strategy is to put put pressure on the ball and commit, and try to poke ball away or react quickly to deflect a pass. He is so reliant on his sharp reflexes that when takes a poor angle or doesn't have his sharp response he looks very bad defensively. He is often the 1st to react to loose balls, and despite his below average physical tools he intelligently places himself in the field to be there defensively in a counter attack, and start up the counter attack himself in transition. IMO one of the 5 most responsive CMF in the Serie A, and I'd put him on par with De Rossi. He has more defensive responsibilities as he is responsible for at time covering the back line, but also starting the counter attacks. So he come across as a more defensive minded player....but that is just the role of the Deep-Lying Playmaker. Like Liverani, he is better at getting open of passes, and getting the attack going even though it is from a deeper position. He is better in his defensive responsibilities than both Liverani & Bentivoglio, and with his good response, I don't feel anything higher than 72 would be fair for Def.

Abilities On the Ball:
He can go on good runs, but it is usually because he is out muscling people, not using fancy dribbling or pace to beat them. But he isn't bad at dribbling, and shows quick feet with the ball. He actually doesn't loose much of his limited pace when on the ball. Better close control than Cavani, Donadel & Bentivoglio....but not Montolivo or Liverani.He doesn't have a world class 1st touch, but he is very cool with it. Same control if he is wide open, or two players charging on him. Doesn't get flustered. Really nice chest control, and great at making a 1st touch that will allow a successful 2nd...which is usually a quick pass.

Passing & Set Pieces:
He can make every pass possible, the problem is the lack of consistency of completing the pass. Often the passes look fantastic, but no one is there. This is the main reason I decided to not give him the *playmaker, and a relatively average TW for a "playmaker". So I don't want to punish his Passing accuracy stats too much, because he is a brilliant passer. Similar to Montolivo, that he has no problem with the simple passes, but isn't able to hook up on the killer balls for the amount that he does them. Another issue in his passing game is that especially his Spasses...he puts too much on them at times which makes them hard to control. So I definitely wanted to display that his Passing Speeds were better than his Passing Accuracies. He also is very good at Long passes off of set-pieces, as well as the occasional direct FK goal. But I think he uses power or placement on his FK's than an exceptional amount of Curl. I don't think he has more curl than Montolivo or Liverani especially considering the use of it in the passing game. His long passes tend to resemble De Rossi's or Palombo's rather than the finesse of Liverani & Montolivo.

Fitness and Work rate:
He seems to puts a lot of pressure on early in matches, and late...and seems to just lay back, and conserve energy a bit during the middle. Just using bursts of energy, but storing enough to be able to run in the last 10 min, and doesn't look to tired after the match. Again, that is tricky to put into stats. So I am thinking that since he doesn't ever get subbed due to fatigue, and plays very often that a higher value for Stamina is necessary. And to contrast that, I will go with maybe a bit of a harsh Mentality & Agg...so that he doesn't play more hardworking than he consistently plays. I would rate Kuzmanovic similarly in Mentality. After trying out the stats with aggression 72 and *CMF as the registered position, he was getting into the box way too often, and ignoring defensive responsibilities. So I had to make him a *DMF to represent his "deep-lying playmaker" tendencies, and lowered his aggression to 69 from 72. He rarely is used as a sub, and started this season playing 90 minutes in 22 of Lazio's 1st 23 matches. Recently he has been given more rest with their run to win the Copa Italia, where he played the full 120+ min.

Special Abilities:
He definitely needs *Passing, because like Montolivo he goes for a lot of killer balls. But I can't give him the *Playmaker star, even though he would be categorized as a playmaker. He can play that role well...but with the lack of a high rate of success, I feel a good TW value would be more appropriate. Because he is very unselfish, and tries to distribute to his teammates a lot. I also considered *outside, and decided against *center as he does tend to track to the left to help out Kolarov usually.


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Re: Cristian Daniel LEDESMA

Postby BECKS23LA » 2009 May 22, 18:47

Yes, ur right,
I d rate:
Ledesma 82
Zambro 83
Borrielo 85

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Re: Cristian Daniel LEDESMA

Postby jmg721 » 2009 May 22, 21:12

Oh, yes......at this point it is hard to see what stats were originally AB1's and which I tweaked in the 1st post. But I truely feel that AB1 his the nail of the head with the shooting stats, and there are some elements in both of our stats that are similar.

Now to answer specific concerns:
@ Becks - "to swap the DS & DA" - I guess this will address BB as well. He is very strong on the ball, and doesn't lose much pace. That is how he gets by defenders...not by close control dribbling. I think crisfar would agree with that ;)

@ Zuo - "regarding BB" - very nice post using examples and logic. I would personally probably put Stankovic on par with LedesmaStank is stronger in attack, but Ledesma is usually pretty strong in tackles & strong on the ball. I originally was going to have Ledesma at 84 when he was 70kg...so I lowered it to 83. Is it possible an 82 would be better...sure it is possible. But it is also possible Stakovic, & Zambrotta could go up too...

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Re: Cristian Daniel LEDESMA

Postby jmg721 » 2009 May 28, 10:42

Made the Evo-Web changes in my massive post

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Re: Cristian Daniel LEDESMA

Postby Alex_10 » 2009 Jun 17, 22:05

jmg721 wrote:Made the Evo-Web changes in my massive post

forgot to update weight to 78 Kg in first post :D

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Re: Cristian Daniel LEDESMA

Postby Alex_10 » 2009 Jun 19, 06:53

first post for jason's set?

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Re: Cristian Daniel LEDESMA

Postby zuo » 2010 Feb 11, 05:13

Back on the team with Reja!!

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Re: Cristian Daniel LEDESMA

Postby jmg721 » 2010 Feb 11, 05:53

He's playing again?!?

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Re: Cristian Daniel LEDESMA

Postby zuo » 2010 Jul 23, 13:15

i think that in a future update we have to lower his WFF at least to 6, he's a guy who uses also the outside of the boot
sometimes,for sure he can't be on an Hamsik-Biondini level of wff, (moreso now that Sneijder gotta lowered)

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Re: Cristian Daniel LEDESMA

Postby BiG TeL » 2010 Jul 23, 15:55

Cards:

P08 - Pinpoint Pass
P13 - Long Ranger

Any more?

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Re: Cristian Daniel LEDESMA

Postby Rfuna » 2010 Oct 24, 16:27

nice set, has stood the test of time. Although you can argue he has only recently been playing :P

WFF @ 5-6 makes sense to me, using hernanes as the basis as WFF and WFA @ 8 player.

BB @ 81-82, currently stronger than Eto'o (who in fairness is quite reliant on agility to shield the ball, but otherwise is quite strong). IMO he's about level with Palombo, not really a physical presence in midfield but strong in the tackle with good shielding attributed to agility.

Would also remove passing*, he has penetrative passing but more down to pace than weighting. As Jason himself stated, his passes are difficult to control. He looks to favor getting the ball to the target rather than to have pass beautifully weighted as to be well received. His set pieces however are somewhat deserving of passing*.

Mentality @ 81, good, efficient worker, this season especially, he has taken the reigns in midfield, orchestrating and dictating, protecting the CBs and supporting Mauri and Hernanes with his distribution.

Add covering* to compensate for low defence (which i agree with for now) plus high response, suits Ledesma well.

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Re: Cristian Daniel LEDESMA

Postby Majin » 2010 Oct 24, 16:59

Rfuna wrote:nice set, has stood the test of time. Although you can argue he has only recently been playing :P

WFF @ 5-6 makes sense to me, using hernanes as the basis as WFF and WFA @ 8 player.

BB @ 81-82, currently stronger than Eto'o (who in fairness is quite reliant on agility to shield the ball, but otherwise is quite strong). IMO he's about level with Palombo, not really a physical presence in midfield but strong in the tackle with good shielding attributed to agility.

Would also remove passing*, he has penetrative passing but more down to pace than weighting. As Jason himself stated, his passes are difficult to control. He looks to favor getting the ball to the target rather than to have pass beautifully weighted as to be well received. His set pieces however are somewhat deserving of passing*.

Mentality @ 81, good, efficient worker, this season especially, he has taken the reigns in midfield, orchestrating and dictating, protecting the CBs and supporting Mauri and Hernanes with his distribution.

Add covering* to compensate for low defence (which i agree with for now) plus high response, suits Ledesma well.

you perfectly frame his work in the field

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Re: Cristian Daniel LEDESMA

Postby zuo » 2010 Nov 17, 12:28

did a general updated with ron's last values and put nationality only Italian cause he accepted the national call of Prandelli for toinght friendly.

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Re: Cristian Daniel LEDESMA

Postby crisfar » 2010 Nov 19, 20:43

For the Cards we can apply to him for me he is a type of midfielder to deserve "Anchor man", he is very confident to play in a low position as a shield protecting the defensive line and in chaarge to connect the defence and the midfield, able to stop the opponents attack and to restart immediately the action, the old fashioned "Mediano metotdista", a playmaker with good defensive skill, not a type like Gattuso who can be more an "Enforcer", in my opinion a midfielder just able to broke opponents play but with relative bad feet far to be a playmaker...Other "Anchor man" are De Rossi and Cambiasso to have a clear idea, and Ledesma reflect exactly the same type of player, he is confident to play only tthat position as DMF, maybe not a full round playmaker, not technically sublime like Pirlo or Xavi, but good in both phases, high in Response 'cos they are fantastic bal interceptors as last protection of the defense and clever ball distrubutors...

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Re: Cristian Daniel LEDESMA

Postby Majin » 2010 Nov 20, 08:42

crisfar wrote:For the Cards we can apply to him for me he is a type of midfielder to deserve "Anchor man", he is very confident to play in a low position as a shield protecting the defensive line and in chaarge to connect the defence and the midfield, able to stop the opponents attack and to restart immediately the action, the old fashioned "Mediano metotdista", a playmaker with good defensive skill, not a type like Gattuso who can be more an "Enforcer", in my opinion a midfielder just able to broke opponents play but with relative bad feet far to be a playmaker...Other "Anchor man" are De Rossi and Cambiasso to have a clear idea, and Ledesma reflect exactly the same type of player, he is confident to play only tthat position as DMF, maybe not a full round playmaker, not technically sublime like Pirlo or Xavi, but good in both phases, high in Response 'cos they are fantastic bal interceptors as last protection of the defense and clever ball distrubutors...

I think I deserve some more points on head shots and jumping. Especially on kicks' corner and penalties against, it is always the first to defend, jumping to the defense.

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Re: Cristian Daniel LEDESMA

Postby Ace » 2010 Dec 14, 22:17

crisfar, I agree with you with Anchor Man: in recent years he's acting as a defensive playmaker (role copied from Pirlo), as you exactly said he's a metodista. I'm also thinking he can have Pinpoint Pass, he can deliver good long passes from his backward position

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Re: Cristian Daniel LEDESMA

Postby zuo » 2011 Feb 02, 04:07

anyone noticed that possibly is the slower player in lazio midfield? looked quite slow at times when chasing opponents WITH the ball...

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Re: Cristian Daniel LEDESMA

Postby Alex_10 » 2011 Feb 02, 12:24

He is slow indeed, but seems much more a lack of fitness imo

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Re: Cristian Daniel LEDESMA

Postby zuo » 2011 Mar 17, 03:50

added pinpoint pass and long ranger.

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Re: Cristian Daniel LEDESMA

Postby Epsi » 2012 Mar 07, 14:30

made an overall update

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Re: Cristian Daniel LEDESMA

Postby Majin » 2012 Mar 07, 15:52

Why did you remove covering? Are you crazy? O.o

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