Sebastian Giovinco

[PES Stats Database]

[SebaGiovinco]

He surely deserves an important update but I don't want to say anything because I'd overbalance too much (Seba is my idol eh eh)

lol clearly. but for real ,these stats are mad old update time. serie a mods are lazy as shit

OMG, don't you know what is respect? They are doing a wonderful and really big work, I don't know how you can compare him to shit!


However, I want to addres this answer to the serie A mod's: what are you think about his WFF and WFA?

[ScribbleyDoibus]

A lot of the Serie A stats are outdated compared to EPL and La Liga, they are updating constantly. In Serie A the bigger teams often get updates, but teams like Parma, et al have players who havn't changed in over a year in some cases. I know the mods dont want to make hasty updates, but there has to be consistency between the (top) leagues at least, otherwise the stats can't really be taken at face value

[SebaGiovinco]

Ok this is a proper speech, your previous one not.
So, what stats need a change in your opinion?

[ScribbleyDoibus]

mostly tech-skills, such as DA which should be 90, he's really a great dribbler. DS could come up to 89 as well. Ben Arfa has 89 DA and 90 DS if i recall correctly, and I think Gio should be the opposite as he has better close control but is not as fast.
His SPA can go up 1 or 2 points, he knows how to slip em in there for the killer ball, although as reflected in the current stats, his passes arent that fast.
FKA and Curling should both go up, hes very dangerous from set pieces on the edge of the area, and he curls em into the side corner instead of just blasting it, he's a true specialist on dead balls. FKA - 83 CURL - 86-87.
Finally, his Technique MUST be orange. He has a world class touch, he's always had it, and 89 is too low for him. 91-92 minimum, his first touch isn't worse than Fabregas in my eyes.

Im not sure about BB, can go up 1 or 2, i know he isnt strong, but with 75 and his height/weight, it would be impossible to get past defenders in the game. Response also seems a bit low, he's got a good tactical sense.

He really is a complete technical player, if he wasnt such a pipsqueak he'd be unstoppable.

Thoughts?

[SebaGiovinco]

I personally don't think he needs a raise in BB, cause his low BB is real, indeed his weak BB is his biggest weakness.
IMO that stat which needs an increase is agility cause it is his best weapon, and Technique too, as ScribbleyDoibus thoughts.
I'm not sure about a Dribble increase, I'd wait until the end of the season to raise it .

[Epsi]

Well, apart from adding cards, I'd make the following changes:
FKA @ 84 (The ladder is a bit outdated but he has to stay on par with skilled players like D'Agostino and Diamanti)
Curling @ 86 (potentially 87, but he would maybe be too deadly from Free Kicks or he would make too accurate long passes, considering he has a good LPA number and *Passing)
Teamwork @ 81-82 (see above; he's kinda in tune with his team mates altough he tried in a lot of occasions to score; anyway I wouldn't go higher, even if similar players like Cassano has a high TW value, he would be still too generous and connected; maybe we could give him *Playmaking)
I wouldn't touch DA, DS and technique; he already has an orange value for agility and he's already effective and realistic with this stats.. about technique, sometimes he shows 90+ ball controls but.. what's the real difference between 89 and 90? In pes 2011 in particular.. the difference between 89 and 90 is not notable in-game. It would be just a stilistic change IMO

[ScribbleyDoibus]

yes but i'm not suggesting a Tec of 90. Im saying he needs AT LEAST a 91, as players like Gourcuff, David Silva, et al have 90, and im saying Giovinco has a better touch than these players. I think his tec is better than Fabregas to be honest, and he has 91. And i think he needs at least 89 in DA, again using Gourcuff and Silva as examples, both are on 88. Gio is a better dribbler, i know he has higher agility, but i think his control is better in general.

[Ace]

Well, apart from adding cards, I'd make the following changes:
FKA @ 84 (The ladder is a bit outdated but he has to stay on par with skilled players like D'Agostino and Diamanti)
Curling @ 86 (potentially 87, but he would maybe be too deadly from Free Kicks or he would make too accurate long passes, considering he has a good LPA number and *Passing)
Teamwork @ 81-82 (see above; he's kinda in tune with his team mates altough he tried in a lot of occasions to score; anyway I wouldn't go higher, even if similar players like Cassano has a high TW value, he would be still too generous and connected; maybe we could give him *Playmaking)
I wouldn't touch DA, DS and technique; he already has an orange value for agility and he's already effective and realistic with this stats.. about technique, sometimes he shows 90+ ball controls but.. what's the real difference between 89 and 90? In pes 2011 in particular.. the difference between 89 and 90 is not notable in-game. It would be just a stilistic change IMO

Well said, FKA seems accurate at 84 (but I expect your Lodi with at least 85 then, but maybe I esteem him too much ), CURL better to remain conservative at 86 (FKA 84 + CURL 86 is an amazing combination), same for TW at 81. If I can add some words about cards, some were already agreed by crisfar but I wanted to add others: Cut Back Pass (to reflect the times he goes until the line and then pass the ball, in this case I prefer to discharge Incisive Run because they will maybe clash), Flip Flap (he did more than once, since he didn't have Trickster yet I think we can add at least to be able to do it, it's case similar to Miccoli), Shoulder Feint Skills and new Speed Merchant: I think this card will allow him to have still a 80s DA & DS but be very effective with the ball on his feets, Giovinco use a combination of technique and sprint to dribble players and he can be a candidate for this card IMO.
So this seems the final recap:

FKA 84
CURL: 86
TW: 81 (or 82)
WFA: 7
WFF: 7

P05 - Mazing Run
P09 - Cut Back Pass (or Incisive Run)
S02 - Passer (obvious)
S14 - Speed Merchant (?)
S15 - Shoulder Feint Skills (?)
S17 - Flip Flap Skills (?)
S18 - Turning Skills
S20 - Flicking Skills

Again, I advise that simply messages like "I agree" or similar will be deleted, so let's spend some time to write a sensed text or don't post.

[Ace]

So I updated with that (without Incisive Run and with TW 81) and Awareness OFF.

[Epsi]

Removed Speed Merchant

[jurgens]

Incredible goal today. If Juventus weren't so shit, he'd probably be one of the top 5 in the world right now.

[xeneize]

somebody talk me how the "successor" of del piero... is going to return to the juve?

[ScribbleyDoibus]

Juventus dono't deserve him. He should go to Roma, Udinese, Napoli, he would be great

[Epsi]

Thoughts on ATT 79 and DA 89-90?

[jurgens]

easily worth both

[aGonnKS]

Definitely agree with ATT-79 and DA 90
I could even go for more in ATT. 80 maybe.
That's not out of this world, and he is always a threat in the opponents field.

[Basilio]

yes, no thoguhts here just agreenment with DA and ATT

[xeneize]

agree too in the changes of ATT and DA

[ScribbleyDoibus]

BB to 76 or 77? The goal he set up against Ukraine he resisted the challenge of the much bigger defender before he was able to back heel it to Matri (?) for the goal

[Basilio]

wasnt impressive that, it was more a good decision than a good stat.
maybe could be influenced by attack a little but nothing more