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Gianluigi Buffon

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Re: Gianluigi BUFFON

Postby zuo » 2009 Jul 08, 03:37

in my opinion his greatness is over.
With this, i meant that he's STILL one of the best keepers(probably still top three in a good form)
The biggest thing is,he's not unbeatable anymore.
He needs a completely overhaul,the alien is back to earth.
Basically needs lowering in a lot of stats,in my opinion he do not deserves anymore a skill in god region.

right now is 5 am and im on the way to my bed,but i give some of my tougths...

Defence: Needs discussion and good evaluation,but not over 94
Balance: 88 (ladder placement)
Response: 93( i currently put Frey over him.yes i am a viola fan and i think i am objective in sayin this.)
Top Speed:70/71
Acceleration:73/74
Agility: 83 (still on top of the ladder)
Jump:85
Mentality(one of his BIGGEST losses imo):78-79 (anyway under Julio Cesar)
Gk Skills:94
Aggression:59[+1] (seeing the ladder he can come up a point)
Consistency:7

DA and DS could come up a bit of points,he's really comfortable ball at feet for a keeper.
these overal littles slights would make him more beatable imo.
tomorrow i'll discuss more the tweaks.

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Re: Gianluigi BUFFON

Postby Misery- » 2009 Jul 08, 03:51

zuo wrote:in my opinion his greatness is over.
With this, i meant that he's STILL one of the best keepers(probably still top three in a good form)
The biggest thing is,he's not unbeatable anymore.
He needs a completely overhaul,the alien is back to earth.
Basically needs lowering in a lot of stats,in my opinion he do not deserves anymore a skill in god region.

right now is 5 am and im on the way to my bed,but i give some of my tougths...

Defence: Needs discussion and good evaluation,but not over 94
Balance: 88 (ladder placement)
Response: 93( i currently put Frey over him.yes i am a viola fan and i think i am objective in sayin this.)
Top Speed:70/71
Acceleration:73/74
Agility: 83 (still on top of the ladder)
Jump:85
Mentality(one of his BIGGEST losses imo):78-79 (anyway under Julio Cesar)
Gk Skills:94
Aggression:59[+1] (seeing the ladder he can come up a point)
Consistency:7

DA and DS could come up a bit of points,he's really comfortable ball at feet for a keeper.
these overal littles slights would make him more beatable imo.
tomorrow i'll discuss more the tweaks.


agree with everything except GK skills and Defence and mentality a little harsh especially since he just recovered from long injury.

when playing for italy, his defence was the one letting him down.

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Re: Gianluigi BUFFON

Postby DeFrenZ » 2009 Jul 08, 10:00

GKS can't go under red. Not yet...

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Re: Gianluigi BUFFON

Postby Alex_10 » 2009 Jul 08, 10:00

sorry man, but it was better if you had gone to sleep instead of posting this.. :shock:
anyway i'm not sure that he needs any lowering, he played not so much this season, and if continuity is a great need for outfield player, well for GK is even worse..

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Re: Gianluigi BUFFON

Postby zuo » 2009 Jul 08, 11:33

Alex_10 wrote:sorry man, but it was better if you had gone to sleep instead of posting this.. :shock:
anyway i'm not sure that he needs any lowering, he played not so much this season, and if continuity is a great need for outfield player, well for GK is even worse..


basically you are saying that he is,as now,by far the best keeper around?
saying that he doesen't need any lowering is a totally fan opinion for me.

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Re: Gianluigi BUFFON

Postby Alex_10 » 2009 Jul 08, 12:29

sure i haven't seen any real mistake having reference to a decline of his skills, i've just seen a lack of fitness due to his "backache"..
i don't trust reporters, newspaper and TV that a day pump up a player saying that he's the best of the world, and the day after there are pumping another one and the rest is basically shit..

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Re: Gianluigi BUFFON

Postby zuo » 2009 Jul 11, 15:39

keeping buffon in this way is absolutely wrong.surely his mentality is not like before,his head gone down sometimes this year a bit of times after conceding. also i really think that his GK skills actually can come down....right now he punches some balls that before this year he would blocked instead.and this happens,i've seen him a bunch of times excuse himself with his defense for not having blocked a ball.
what means the lack of fitness? if he's on the pitch surely he can play,and if he play in this way he should be rated subsequently.with these stats the gap with others good keepers is too much.

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Re: Gianluigi BUFFON

Postby zuo » 2009 Jul 13, 15:48

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Re: Gianluigi BUFFON

Postby N3KR0 » 2009 Jul 14, 09:21

zuo wrote:in my opinion his greatness is over.
With this, i meant that he's STILL one of the best keepers(probably still top three in a good form)
The biggest thing is,he's not unbeatable anymore.
He needs a completely overhaul,the alien is back to earth.
Basically needs lowering in a lot of stats,in my opinion he do not deserves anymore a skill in god region.

right now is 5 am and im on the way to my bed,but i give some of my tougths...

Defence: Needs discussion and good evaluation,but not over 94
Balance: 88 (ladder placement)
Response: 93( i currently put Frey over him.yes i am a viola fan and i think i am objective in sayin this.)
Top Speed:70/71
Acceleration:73/74
Agility: 83 (still on top of the ladder)
Jump:85
Mentality(one of his BIGGEST losses imo):78-79 (anyway under Julio Cesar)
Gk Skills:94
Aggression:59[+1] (seeing the ladder he can come up a point)
Consistency:7

DA and DS could come up a bit of points,he's really comfortable ball at feet for a keeper.
these overal littles slights would make him more beatable imo.
tomorrow i'll discuss more the tweaks.



agree.

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Re: Gianluigi BUFFON

Postby N3KR0 » 2009 Jul 14, 09:23

teamwork can go up imo, he shouts at the defence and stuff and organize them, a lot of grinta, i cant explain :lol:
so yeah he can go to 86 +2 :)

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Re: Gianluigi BUFFON

Postby Yowza » 2009 Jul 14, 23:23

I think he will show you his qualities next season and you'll have to scratch out this "tweaks". :geek:

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Re: Gianluigi BUFFON

Postby zuo » 2009 Jul 22, 20:11

nekroman619 wrote:
zuo wrote:in my opinion his greatness is over.
With this, i meant that he's STILL one of the best keepers(probably still top three in a good form)
The biggest thing is,he's not unbeatable anymore.
He needs a completely overhaul,the alien is back to earth.
Basically needs lowering in a lot of stats,in my opinion he do not deserves anymore a skill in god region.

right now is 5 am and im on the way to my bed,but i give some of my tougths...

Defence: Needs discussion and good evaluation,but not over 94
Balance: 88 (ladder placement)
Response: 93( i currently put Frey over him.yes i am a viola fan and i think i am objective in sayin this.)
Top Speed:70/71
Acceleration:73/74
Agility: 83 (still on top of the ladder)
Jump:85
Mentality(one of his BIGGEST losses imo):78-79 (anyway under Julio Cesar)
Gk Skills:94
Aggression:59[+1] (seeing the ladder he can come up a point)
Consistency:7

DA and DS could come up a bit of points,he's really comfortable ball at feet for a keeper.
these overal littles slights would make him more beatable imo.
tomorrow i'll discuss more the tweaks.



agree.


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Re: Gianluigi BUFFON

Postby TheBackedUpOne » 2009 Jul 23, 19:37

A keeper like Petr Cech has a few bad games then all his keeper stats go down
but Buffon who had like 2 bad seasons and his stats almost never changed ??

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Re: Gianluigi BUFFON

Postby HitMan » 2009 Jul 24, 03:58

TheBackedUpOne wrote:A keeper like Petr Cech has a few bad games then all his keeper stats go down
but Buffon who had like 2 bad seasons and his stats almost never changed ??


aw cut the shit, cech made horrible keeper mistakes and was poor overall, while buffon hasnt shown his AMAZING self BUT he hasnt made the stupid mistakes cech did, and buffon poor last 2 seasons :lol: :lol: funny gay you are

anyhow, i do agree his stats need to go down, but not drastically just yet... RES yes 93, but GK skill no lower than 95 he is still the master of trapping balls..

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Re: Gianluigi BUFFON

Postby TheBackedUpOne » 2009 Jul 24, 14:07

that horrible keeper mistakes your talking about was about 4 games at the most , his consistency can go down which is already down and I partly agree with you about it
but "was poor overall" that's just nonsense
and about Buffon don't get me wrong I used to admire this man but now he is not half what he used to be

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Re: Gianluigi BUFFON

Postby Ken » 2009 Jul 24, 15:24

HitMan wrote:
TheBackedUpOne wrote:A keeper like Petr Cech has a few bad games then all his keeper stats go down
but Buffon who had like 2 bad seasons and his stats almost never changed ??


aw cut the shit, cech made horrible keeper mistakes and was poor overall, while buffon hasnt shown his AMAZING self BUT he hasnt made the stupid mistakes cech did, and buffon poor last 2 seasons :lol: :lol: funny gay you are

anyhow, i do agree his stats need to go down, but not drastically just yet... RES yes 93, but GK skill no lower than 95 he is still the master of trapping balls..


Cech was poor overall ? He has made a hell lot of mistakes but he can still produce some super saves. Do you think that Chelsea's impressive defensive record last season was just a mere coincidence ? I know that part of that was because of a steel defence but Cech really was impressive despite all the mistake he made, but we all agree that he is not at the level he had in 2004/2005 season, so we decrease him. The same deal for Buffon, I know that Juve's defence's suck, but that doesn't mean Buffon is still good. He has lost many times in 1-v-1 situation and his reflexes has decrease a lot. Most importantly he's not consistent anymore, one day he can be a God between the post but another day he looks like a clown.

I see a decrease in those stats is need, most importantly his Response and Consistency. He is slower in reaction, trying to turn his body to make a save, in 1v1 situation he usually react slower than before when the player take a shot. I want a decrease but 93 is still a little bit high for me, I think even 91 or 92 would be fair.

His consistency, even you agree that he is not that consistent, I suggest a decrease to 6 for Buffon.

I think we need more discussion about his Defence, GK Skills, Agility and TW. I want to decrease some of them but I don't have any reason and value in my mind yet.

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Re: Gianluigi BUFFON

Postby Blaz00r » 2009 Sep 06, 12:46

Are you SURE about lowering response?



Looks like it could get a slight raise from this vid :D

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Re: Gianluigi BUFFON

Postby DeFrenZ » 2009 Sep 06, 12:57

no way raising, unfortunately he doesn't consistently play like that anymore :(

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Re: Gianluigi BUFFON

Postby Azzuri » 2009 Sep 06, 16:05

no raising but no lowering, no one see him as the old CLASSIC Buffon, but he's slightly improved than last season, i wish he improves more this season to be the NO.1 GK again :)

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Re: Gianluigi BUFFON

Postby JuveJoffre » 2009 Sep 06, 16:21

I agree with Azzurri, Buffon seems to be improving, I hope so, he also had an awesome performance against Roma, the 1 on 1 vs Totti.

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