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Re: Alessandro MATRI

Postby shea » 2012 Jan 13, 20:31

Striker and top scorer physically strong and proposed updated
Attack: 89
Header Accuracy: 86
Shot Accuracy: 88

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Re: Alessandro MATRI

Postby Basilio » 2012 Jan 22, 04:00

god he plays so good, cant anyone see that ?! his movement, so good in the box...He'd always find his own space and constantly attack the first post in crosses as he'd be more available for a pass, he reacts fast to everything, and more than anything he always get at the end of things. Unlucky guy :( he creates a lot of chances, but he struggles to score nowdays, i rather give him time on finishing aspects, no proposed update on them and disagree if there is one done. He needs to regain self confidence

Whilst i do feel theres something to be done with him at some other aspects, like reflecting his un-capability to play back to goal, or back to defender ? he aint no agile, i think he is more like green agility, and i rather up his DA by 1, there are some 'Ability attacks' which he has every now and then, and shows pretty nice close and pure control of the ball once he gets on the dribbling and directly facing his marker, he is good dribbling.

Also...HE IS FAST, i dont know how many times i have to say it, but he is fast, he runs fast without the ball, but with it...well, thats other story. Easy 85 for me, he is just faster than vucinic by 1, in my view, an 85 is spot on. Maybe decreasing his DS, i dont know on this one, he does tries too be fast with the ball, but he just cant lol, i have my doubts.

Gonna try out some values, i have in mind something like these TS 85, Agi 78, DA 82, DS 80.

Edit: just noticed his TS is already 85 :D , sorry my bad

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Re: Alessandro MATRI

Postby antony » 2012 Jan 22, 09:56

Basilio wrote:god he plays so good, cant anyone see that ?! his movement, so good in the box...He'd always find his own space and constantly attack the first post in crosses as he'd be more available for a pass, he reacts fast to everything, and more than anything he always get at the end of things. Unlucky guy :( he creates a lot of chances, but he struggles to score nowdays, i rather give him time on finishing aspects, no proposed update on them and disagree if there is one done. He needs to regain self confidence

Whilst i do feel theres something to be done with him at some other aspects, like reflecting his un-capability to play back to goal, or back to defender ? he aint no agile, i think he is more like green agility, and i rather up his DA by 1, there are some 'Ability attacks' which he has every now and then, and shows pretty nice close and pure control of the ball once he gets on the dribbling and directly facing his marker, he is good dribbling.

Also...HE IS FAST, i dont know how many times i have to say it, but he is fast, he runs fast without the ball, but with it...well, thats other story. Easy 85 for me, he is just faster than vucinic by 1, in my view, an 85 is spot on. Maybe decreasing his DS, i dont know on this one, he does tries too be fast with the ball, but he just cant lol, i have my doubts.

Gonna try out some values, i have in mind something like these TS 85, Agi 78, DA 82, DS 80.

Edit: just noticed his TS is already 85 :D , sorry my bad



I'm agree with all..except when you said that he is faster than Vucinic

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Re: Alessandro MATRI

Postby čale » 2012 Jan 22, 12:54

god he plays so good, cant anyone see that ?! his movement, so good in the box...He'd always find his own space and constantly attack the first post in crosses as he'd be more available for a pass, he reacts fast to everything, and more than anything he always get at the end of things. Unlucky guy he creates a lot of chances, but he struggles to score nowdays, i rather give him time on finishing aspects, no proposed update on them and disagree if there is one done. He needs to regain self confidence


idk, i'd say it's more related to back luck rather then a bad patch of form, every strikers enters a goal drought some time every few seasons, if you look closely on his chances you'll see that their just unlucky bounces or some other factor that is preventing him to score.

he aint no agile, i think he is more like green agility, and i rather up his DA by 1, there are some 'Ability attacks' which he has every now and then, and shows pretty nice close and pure control of the ball once he gets on the dribbling and directly facing his marker, he is good dribbling.


i'm sorry but i definitely can't agree on this regarding agility and dribbling, well the current 83 may be a bit too much but he's an easy 80/81 and regarding dribbling it's true that he tries to look fast and tries so hard at that (just like Pepe is trying so hard to be Ronaldinho :lol: ), when Matri dribbles he keeps a bit of pace on the ball, but his accuracy is OMG-ish it's like he's constantly fighting and arguing with the ball it's somewhat sad and funny that a player like him can't dribble for shit when near opposition player. it's true that he's good at dribbling when he has acres of space in front of him, but when near defenders, god help him...

And one more thing, his trapping this season has been horrible he can't control the ball for shit, it just bounces off of him like a rock, i really can't say that for this seasons performances he deserves a yellow value...

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Re: Alessandro MATRI

Postby Basilio » 2012 Jan 22, 19:18

he craps everything with his feet trapping, but his chest control is nice. I agree that he is constantly fighting with the ball, i though anyways that was more related with agility, i mean he cant turn shit, specially back to his marker, he is awful there, more than being agile, i think he tries to be more agile than what he truly is...I was thinking he had 80 DA, so fine for me with the current. Anyways his agility is high, i mean rooney is 82, then matri is no way near 83 agility.

I also insist on lower ST, he aint nothing special on this aspect, 83/82 i'll say

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Re: Alessandro MATRI

Postby Basilio » 2012 Mar 13, 23:52

I think i have said everything possibly about him, i just drop numbers now:

ATT: 88
DEF: 46 ? Dunno, he works his ass a lot in pressure though, more opinions please
RESP: 87/88 Not sure either, he might be fine with the actual value
AGI: 80
DA: 80/79. 80 works good for me, he puts a huge effot in his dribbling that helps him a bit
ST: 84/83 he is good at volleys and stuff, but his not that consistent at first touch shoots, or difficult positions.


I thought i'd just drop numbers :cry:

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Re: Alessandro MATRI

Postby clapton » 2012 Mar 14, 12:18

definitely not deserve 87 in attack. he's always in chance to score and his movement is great but finishing is very bad. 10 goals this season and he could easily got 17, 18 or more...

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Re: Alessandro MATRI

Postby crisfar » 2012 Mar 23, 21:22

Regarding the values suggested by basilio I agree a lot on agility current value is way too much considering we are changing standards and also on loweirng da and st is good at 84...att def and res are good as they are for the moment

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Re: Alessandro MATRI

Postby čale » 2012 Mar 23, 23:35

considering that Borriello is an 78 for AGI i'd like to have a clear gap of at least two points between them so an 80/81 seems much better...

and yeah current ATT, DEF and RES seems more than enough given his rough patch of form...

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Re: Alessandro MATRI

Postby Basilio » 2012 May 07, 01:56

Lets do this quick:

DA: 80
AGI: 80
DS: 80( works good with TS 85 )
ST: 83
HEAD: 82
TECH: 79/80
DEF: 44

I want your opinion on Stamina and Aggresion, i believe higher for the first and dunno the second

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Re: Alessandro MATRI

Postby čale » 2012 May 07, 13:41

so let's get this discussion up and going:

this is what i've received yesterday via PM, the user wants to stay anonymous (but he's one of the "trusted" guys):

-TS-ACC-AGI-DA-DS:
I like his konami value, they rated him at 80 - imo well deserved it fits new standards and represents good all his body movements, turns. Maybe it can 79, but not sure. For DA konami rates him at 78, i think he is better than that because he carries the ball in a close way to his feet, so actual value fits him. Again like his konami 79 DS, he doesn't need a high value to be represented in a good way, with his TS (a bit high to me) and ACC makes a good combo. As many strikers he loose some pace with ball on his feet, also as AGI we rate it in a new way. Talking about his TS, he needs big distance to show his real pace and that is well represented by the big gap between TS & ACC, i like the gap but i don't find him this fast, same as the others stats i like konami 83 TS but with a 78 ACC, like i have said it above the gap is ok.

-HEA:
Find it a bit overrated, he has a decent placement but actual value is a couple of points high, he isn't bad but neither a specialist, find Cavani several points higher than him - just as example.

-MEN/TW:
Does he really needs current mentality value? To be honest i always watches him a bit passive even if he runs sometimes trying to catch defenders - but talking about pure mentality he isnt at current level. With TW i can say that he has decent movement, when a team plays with a lonely striker, requires some movement of him, he has to move or if not he will be owned by defenders. I also considered TW as a factor of ATT efficacy. I give to him 77 MENT and 78 TW.

Finally, i think he can have 6 COND and i am the only one that thinks he has better TECH. His control, first touch is really good, maybe if you are considering to down it, i suggest to keep it but if not i think he can have 83-84.


and i want to post what i'm using so that we have more examples and enough feedback to start more than a decent discussion:

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Name: Alessandro Matri
Shirt Name: Matri
Shirt Number: #32
Team: Juventus FC
League: Serie A
Nationality: Italian _ita
Height: 183 cm
Weight: 80 kg
Age: 27
Stronger foot: Right foot
Registered Position: CF
Other Positions: -

Attack: 87
Defence: 43
Balance: 84
Stamina: 82
Top Speed: 84
Acceleration: 83
Response: 86
Agility: 80
Dribble Accuracy: 80
Dribble Speed: 80
Short Pass Accuracy: 72
Short Pass Speed: 74
Long Pass Accuracy: 68
Long Pass Speed: 70
Shot Accuracy: 87
Shot Power: 80
Shot Technique: 82
Free Kick Accuracy: 64
Curling: 69
Header: 81
Jump: 80
Technique: 80
Aggression: 86
Mentality: 79
Keeper Skills: 50
Teamwork: 78

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition/Fitness: 4
Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot Frequency: 4

SPECIAL ABILITIES:
Dribbling
Lines
1-on-1 Scoring


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Re: Alessandro MATRI

Postby Epsi » 2012 May 07, 16:26

updated shooting as I was quite sure about it. Other values are currently under testing...

ps. cale I don't understand your aggression lowering at all. He's extremely aggressive, I'm using him with 92...

since we're here, I'm posting my set as well....

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Name: Matri

Club: ?
Number: ?
Position: CF*, SS
Nationality: Italian _ita
Age: 27 (xx-yy-1985)

Foot: R
Side: B

Length: 183
Weight: 80

Attack: 86
Defence: 44
Balance: 83
Stamina: 84
Top Speed: 84
Acceleration: 82
Response: 89
Agility: 77
Dribble Accuracy: 78
Dribble Speed: 79
Short Pass Accuracy: 73
Short Pass Speed: 73
Long Pass Accuracy: 72
Long Pass Speed: 75
Shot Accuracy: 86
Shot Power: 77
Shot Technique: 83
Free Kick Accuracy: 65
Curling: 75
Header: 83
Jump: 81
Technique: 79
Aggression: 92
Mentality: 77
Keeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 76

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition/Fitness: 6
Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot Frequency: 5

S01 - Marauding
S03 - 1-on-1 Finish
S05 - 1-touch Play


I don't agree with the "anonymous".. he doesn't have a good trapping. Most of the balls he receives he just can't stop them and he often does an untidy control, at least for me... nothing better than other strikers like Cavani.

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Re: Alessandro MATRI

Postby crisfar » 2012 May 07, 16:32

Ok cale go on with your set for me...I am only skeptical on ACC which i could see around 81-82 and SP which I would not rate different than current 77, maximum 78...

EDIT: just seen epsi set which looks even better to me...

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Re: Alessandro MATRI

Postby čale » 2012 May 07, 18:15

as i said in the chatbox yesterday when talking with jurgens, my matri set is just small tweaks from the KONAMI set, and i'm actually quite confident on it (i didn't look at the PSD set when i was tweaking it, that's why you might find some values odd)
as for AGG, i've realized (at least that's what i was testing) that with a lower AGG value i'd limit his goal-scoring ability as he wouldn't attack the backline on consistent basis as he would with an orange number + Reaction + Lines.

go with what you guys think is the best, i won't oppose.

...but, i'd just like to point that i'm 10000% sure on his BB, AGI, DA & DS, he tussled with the likes of Cesare Natali and wasn't even bothered the slightest, he can withstand quite a lot of beatings without going down and he's more than capable of shielding the ball for large chunks of time. Also he's not as sluggish as a 77 would make him (combined with green DS and DA) it would make him barely mobile with the ball at his feet. i'd go the lowest for AGI @ 79 with DA 80 and DS 80 (or 79 but i prefer to keep them on yellow both).

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Re: Alessandro MATRI

Postby crisfar » 2012 May 07, 19:04

Oh I did nt see values for agi/ds in epsi set...then I more agree with you cale for those I would go with 79-80 for agi and 80 for ds...

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Re: Alessandro MATRI

Postby Basilio » 2012 May 08, 02:29

čale wrote:so let's get this discussion up and going:

this is what i've received yesterday via PM, the user wants to stay anonymous (but he's one of the "trusted" guys):



He is kruger, tell him there wont be any controversy if we all contribute respectfully, as intended.

Tbh i like yours cale, Matri isnt that clumsy with the ball, he tries hard even, but he is naturally bad with it. I entrust to your opinion as you seem confident with it, and yes his not much un-agile, he can turn, its his forced twists that makes him look ridiculous. I just dont understand his ACC ? he seems to me like he needs all the space in the world to accelerate, he cant burst neither.

@kruger he is good with his chest, but try give him a slightly complicated pass to his feet :cry: he wont ever be able to control it

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Re: Alessandro MATRI

Postby Mr. Evans » 2012 May 11, 20:36

I have to say, I think he's too wasteful to warrant SA 86 + 1-on-1 scoring. I'd remove the star/card and reduce his SA by a point. And his AGI and TECH are too high, the suggested 80 for both a few posts above suit him a lot better imo.

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Re: Alessandro MATRI

Postby čale » 2012 May 12, 11:32

Updated, and dropped Condition to 5 to warrant more "bad" performances.

And i'm quite reluctant on removing 1-on-1 Scoring as he's shown last season and in the first half of this season that he's deadly when faced directly with the keeper and slots the ball quite easily past him, the lack of proper minutes, the preference of Borriello over him, the constant rotation and his lack of/drop in form are evident, thus i'd give him one last chance to prove me and others wrong.

EDIT: FFS will someone fix the stars? i don't know why i'm having constant issues with the editor on the removal/inclusion of stars/cards...he should only have Dribbling Lines and 1-on-1 Scoring.

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Re: Alessandro MATRI

Postby Epsi » 2012 May 12, 12:20

nothing about aggression? Considering you removed *reaction.. I'm pretty sure he's one of the most aggressive in Serie A.

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Re: Alessandro MATRI

Postby čale » 2012 May 12, 12:28

idk really, i've been playing him with 86 lately and i'm already used to that number, but i'm not sure he warrants the orange, he does play aggressively, but it's replicated with the addition of lines i believe, and also as i said, i truly believe it'll make him score a bit less as he wont do runs all the time, it's somewhat a measure of limiting him...i know that he IRL is one of the most aggressive forwards in the league, but going into PES logic if he runs into space constantly he's bound to score a lot of goal given his good stats, the less he makes runs the less he scores, at least that's how i think of it.

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