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Borja Valero

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The 'Why'

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Having an spot in your all life team ain't easy nowadays. Unless you have a coach that trusts the youth team (or at least the youth) you have not guaranteed success. Some players are worth IT, many of them could even be on the starting eleven being a key piece of some of the best teams in European football, but football has became anything but sports anymore, envolving mainly money and political intentions under the roof of an Sport. In some cases, those players are lost forever, never to be seen by the average sport fan. But there are also miracles. How could young Borja call the attention of RCD Mallorca when he wasn't even shining at england? That season, along with other footballers that soon left the Balears, was one of the best in the last years by an Spanish footballer out of the big two or that huge Valencia. Borja Valero was It who shown the team the way. A bunch of full of illusion footballers that faced everything leaded by this young midfielder. Even tough their campagin was impressive, that season we could not see them in Europe due to their economic problems. After such a succesful season he called up some teams like Barça, Sevilla and Villarreal's attention ,finally joining the Yellow Submarine.

Here's where he developed into one of the best footballers In our country and our league. Borja changed his position from CMF to AMF to serve as a more offensive midfielder, using his ability to deliver killing passes but without sacrificing his fantastic work at the middle of the field. Gifted with a vision of the game only possible for some to imagine, Borja Is the machine that along with Bruno creates the football of this fantastic team called Villarreal. Borja Is the link up between the defense and the attack, he's the first to track back, recover the ball, take It out controlled and begin the construction.

The main changes on this new set are physical and technical. Overall an improvement and tweaking of the first post after some watching on him together with own playing experience. Here we go

Balance: 75 ->Even had my doubts about a green value. Borja Valero Is a player that does not have any physical strenght. He's really prone and you'll easily see him fall down when oponents press on him. Sometimes It's due to the fact that he's tried to be well covered, but he's actually like a leaf. It's possibly one of the reasons he went up foward on the field, to leave the muscle to other players, but still Borja Is a player that covers a lot of field. Will talk about that next

Stamina: 85 --> Like I said Borja might have advanced on the field, but he covers a lot of field. You'll see him on both boxes often. His defensive work Is not to be destimated and he's easily one of the players you'll see still running at the end of the match. Still he's not a machine and he also gets tired. Also increased his mentality by one point.

Top Speed / Acceleration: 84/81 / DS: 82--> Now this might seem strange. I've got the feeling that Borja Is a really fast player, but he does not usually show It. Borja's runs are short, he does some acceleration and then calms down. His dribbles are usually like that with spaces, so we rarely get to see him at the top of his speed. But there are some cases when you see how fast he Is. And also with the ball. He's not slow neither. Borja Is the first one to command the counter attack, being both ellegant but also covering terrain fast until he finds the spot.

DA: 84 --> Well I just found 83 pretty average. He's a good dribbler. Not a trickster or anything, but his control Is pretty decent. You can see him get rid of the oponents by a simple yet effective dribble and he's pretty nice at It.

Agility: 85 --> That's when I had my doubts about his body balance, when I saw his agility. Sometimes you'll see him using his body pretty well, surprisingly solid for what you get used to see when watching him for a while. And then a twist, a sudden twist he does and he gets rid of the defender like before you can say 'Dribble'. I'm not talking about the situation I mentioned when rating his DA, but when he's more at the construction. What I meant to say In the upper stat Is at the attacking duties, specially when you see him fall to the right wing or play as SMF and look for the cross. This is pretty Xavi-esque, but Borja Is not at all a Tactical Dribbler with all the words. Found It suitable, imo. But, as I said, I found this as one of the hardest things to rate.

Short passing / Long passing: 86/85 - 85/83 --> No here Is where I had some deep confusion within myself. I ended up realizing the thing Is pretty much all matches like this. Borja Is one of those midfielders that behaves a bit like Xabi Alonso, with long - and often- precise passes from the middle and with deadly killer passes when up in the box. He's one great passer on both, but realized that on short he's even more dangeours, leaving the long passing mainly for the Pinpointing when taking out the ball controlled or when changing the ball to the other wing. Sometimes you'll see Borja playing as SMF and see how easily he delivers the pass to Cazorla on the left too.

Shooting: 74/79/77 --> Weak. He Isn't a shooter. He takes a bit sometimes to aim the shoot and not always succesful. His main problem I guess Is that his shoots are usually really weak and bad directed. But he Isn't a bad volleyer as he has shown more than once. About his shooting under pressure we got little data, as you'll see him falling to the ground before even having the minimal chance. Still he's got a deadly curling that allows him to do some nice shoots. I link you here an example that shocked me when I watched the match back then:



Teamwork: 90 --> Now this Is without any doubt Borja Valero's best asset. He might be more or less precise on his passes but his intention and his ability to read the spot, to know where his mates are, to build up together some amazing things up near and in the box, to know when there's a pass or when he should just send the ball back to start again. Borja Is impressive. His vision of the game Is almost at the level of the best, there's just not anyone In La Liga besides the Blaugrana wonders and Xabi Alonso that can get close to him in terms of teamwork.

Here I bring you some videos I used for the last tweaks. Enjoy!


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Re: Borja VALERO

Postby Fixer » 2011 May 06, 09:31

I'll wait for your notes

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Re: Borja VALERO

Postby Mr. Evans » 2011 Jun 15, 11:18

I suggest 1-Touch Play (not sure if he should have *1-Touch Passing as according to PSD it doesn't affect one-touch passing). He's a great 1-touch passer and it's a huge part of his game. He's not much of a shooter so it's hard judge him in that area. So to make him less effective in his one-touch shooting (talked about this with Fixer), I suggest to bring down his ST by two points.

And I don't like his DEF. Borja helps out in defence a lot. He positions himself well, chases players down and likes to close down gaps in the back. He's much better than 60 and he's better than Xavi in this. I suggest to put him on a 66 with his RES, that looks a bit high, down by one point, maybe two.

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Re: Borja VALERO

Postby Fixer » 2011 Jun 15, 12:00

As you know I'm alright with the one touch thing. I was a bit afraid when rating his def to not make him too efective, but probably what you point out could work better?

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Re: Borja VALERO

Postby Mr. Evans » 2011 Jun 15, 12:23

I really think he deserves it and it works well with his RES on a 82, a 65 at the very least.
I also think his TS should come down a point. You were right about him having good pace but I think a 84 is a bit too much. And I'd bring down his DS by one or two points as well. He mostly joggs on the ball and mostly runs over short distances and then releases a pass or just stops running. His current DS really makes his pace on the ball too much of weapon.
Or maybe it's better to keep his TS on a 84 and bring down his DS to 79-80?

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Re: Borja VALERO

Postby Fixer » 2011 Jun 15, 12:27

I have to disagree. I still find him really impressive on his runs with the ball wich happen few times. With his current build in set you won't have a player that runs with the ball all the time anyway. Borja Is pretty fast with the ball too and I don't know about the 83 TS. If someone backs you up I'll gladly update It as I have no probs but I'm soooo convinced about It... :lol:

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Re: Borja VALERO

Postby Mr. Evans » 2011 Jun 15, 12:37

You just don't give up do you :x :lol:.

You may be right on his TS but seriously, he mostly runs over short distances and then passes or just stops and dribbles a bit, looking at his options. Something you are capable of doing with DS 80 in combination with his TS/ACC (I think this can come a point)/AGI combo.

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Re: Borja VALERO

Postby Fixer » 2011 Jun 15, 13:21

Yeah you whores come and share your opinion >:( Ahh I'm so glad that, for once, the most active forum Is not Barça or Madrid one. Sometimes you need to take a break. Even If It's only two of us :lol:

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Re: Borja VALERO

Postby jurgens » 2011 Jun 15, 13:59

I'd tend to agree with you both, if thats possible? I think he can maintain a decent speed on the ball, but like Mr.Evans says, hes mainly slowing down and looking at his options, not really fast on the ball.. but not slow. I'd say his TS is overkill at 84.. I honestly don't see him any higher than an 82. But I think hes not bad in short spurts like an 82/83 perhaps. And with that a DS of 81/82. Thats my view of him at least.

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Re: Borja VALERO

Postby Mr. Evans » 2011 Jun 15, 14:21

So in numbers:
Fixer: TS 84 ACC 81 DS 82
Jurgens: TS 82 ACC 82/83 DS 81/82

Our (Jurgens and I) views are pretty much the same, just a small difference on his TS. After being skeptical on his TS at first, I have to admit that he has good TS. Not a 84 for me but a 83. And after
Anyway for me: TS 83 ACC 82 DS 80.

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Re: Borja VALERO

Postby jurgens » 2011 Jun 15, 14:28

You know, I think he looks fast due to his body movements, he always kinda looks like hes in a fast motion ( I can't really describe), kinda explosive.. (in a small way) without actually making much movements or covering any real ground, really a ACC/AGI deception in my eyes. I think his agility could do with being slightly higher as well.

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Re: Borja VALERO

Postby Fixer » 2011 Jun 15, 14:55

I can agree with 83 TS, fine. What do we do with DS? I agree that agi could do higher. It's one of the things that called my attention mostly but I wonder will he be too sneaky? He's pretty light and makes It up with some good agility but...

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Re: Borja VALERO

Postby Mr. Evans » 2011 Jun 15, 15:04

jurgens wrote:You know, I think he looks fast due to his body movements, he always kinda looks like hes in a fast motion ( I can't really describe), kinda explosive.. (in a small way) without actually making much movements or covering any real ground, really a ACC/AGI deception in my eyes.

I think, with a emphasis on I think, I know what you mean. That was what kept me from believing he's all that fast. But he's faster than the pace he mostly shows, he's not really running. Mikel does the same thing (but he literally never runs, it's amazing how he avoids to run in every single occasion), I call it 'slow running'. They're running but not on their max. But what Fixer said is true, when Villarreal are counter-attacking and Borja joins, he runs at a speed you normally don't see with Borja. He truly possesses good pace.
I think his agility could do with being slightly higher as well.

Could be, not sure (considering his low weight and how he's not too tall).

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Re: Borja VALERO

Postby Xyder » 2011 Jun 15, 19:40

Excuse me for the delay in the answer. Well, his fast, but well 84 for me could be justified specially in his Mallorca's days, he easily surpassed so much sidebacks when he was playing in the island (it was a pleasure to see him in the counter-attacks); but nowadays I doubt, I don't think he hasn't loose speed, but I could agree with 83 too.
About DEF I agree to put him higher and for me his AGI it's just fine, I won't tweak it.

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Re: Borja VALERO

Postby Fixer » 2011 Jun 15, 21:16

I'm almost closer to Xyder's opinion. He's incredibly agile and I never had doubts of that, but he's 85, he's not going to be a player that Is going to outpace or out skill other players (Notice when he plays as SMF, wich happens often). I also have no problems with 83 TS, even tough I still prefer 84 (But obviously If there Is some amount of people that disagree I can agree with lower). As I said, his def Is to be risen, yep.

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Re: Borja VALERO

Postby Mr. Evans » 2011 Jul 10, 13:49

Add *1-Touch Pass/1-Touch Play and ST 75?

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Re: Borja VALERO

Postby Fixer » 2011 Jul 10, 13:51

Yup. Will do in a sec.


Edit: Updated TS, Agi, DS, Res...

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Re: Borja VALERO

Postby Mr. Evans » 2011 Dec 12, 17:42

RES 82 is still from the old definition, think a 79 is more than enough for him. And I think he should have *Tactical Dribble.

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Re: Borja VALERO

Postby Fixer » 2011 Dec 12, 18:56

Looks good. I think Borja Is kind of sharp for a player his position though, 79-80 looks about right. I will update him.

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Re: Borja VALERO

Postby Argonath » 2012 Feb 02, 02:46

i think his TEC is pretty better, may be 87/88.. i mean, he's better than thiago alcantara on this, and i believe he's in pair with arteta.. and he might need a little raise on DA.. it's nice to see him play..

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Re: Borja VALERO

Postby Pumpernikiel » 2012 Feb 03, 02:25

Argonath wrote:i think his TEC is pretty better, may be 87/88.. i mean, he's better than thiago alcantara on this, and i believe he's in pair with arteta.. and he might need a little raise on DA.. it's nice to see him play..


Just for your information, in alternative stats section jurgens gave Thiago 95 tech, i dunno at all if its good value cause i totally don't watch barcelona's matches.

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