Luka Modrić

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[BigStu]

It really depends on how specific mazing run is, he won't dribble through a defence in the box a la nasri, but he will dribble pass players outside the box

[tasmin]

i agree with your points at that sense. but i think he still needs that mazing run. he doesn't like to go to the box frequently except when situation demands and that's his style.nasri is quite different than him not just because he likes to go more forward and the playing system of wenger. on the other hand luka is brilliant to make mazing runs from any position of the field.but the main difference he likes to pass the ball rather going himself after those moves.but that's not the criteria of mazing run.it gives the ability to get past opponents by using twisty moves and break opposite defense.the position isn't vital,but the skill is. just look some of his moves:

[BigStu]

We need someone who really understands the card to settle this

[Mr. Evans]

There are two reasons why I suggested to remove it:
1. You say he does it often and that surprises me because it's the opposite for me. Since Modric moved to CM, going on mazing runs, emphasis on runs, isn't a big part of his game. That video you posted features a lot of footage of the old Modric, in his attacking midfielder days. I agree that back then he needed the Mazing Run card.
2. Mazing Run doesn't work for CMs.

[BigStu]

2.

Exactly, when he plays AM he'll play like the lod modric, when he plays cmf he'll play like the current modric

[Mr. Evans]

But the thing is, we don't know how he plays like a AM now. It wouldn't be the first time for a player to not play like his old self in a position he used to play.
Messi for instance against Costa Rica in the Copa. He was out on the right a few times and you'd think he would do the same as he did when it used to be his favourite position. But he wasn't like his old self. He was a lot less direct, kept slowing down and was looking to link up or play the killer pass.

But maybe it is best to just keep the card untill we see for ourself how plays in his old role..

[Phil]

I don't think it's fair having Silva 2 points ahead of Modric in TW. Modric is top quality at ball retention and that is a lot down to his great footballing brain (as well as great ball control), he always knows when to pass the ball and reads players movements suberbly as well as always making himself available for a pass. I actually think he is probably better than Silva here, his decion making seems to be a bit better than Silva's imo and I've seen Silva play more loose balls than Modric did this season. Though with Modric playing CM this season his role has been a bit different than Silva's I suppose. Either way I can't think of a reason why he should be below Silva, and imo he should be above him.

[tasmin]

that's a common sense that modric should have higher tw than the current one. at least 89/90.
apart that i think talisman+*play making is the factor which makes him better than silva in any case.

[walt0]

Maybe S19 – Scissors Skills he uses very often in his dribble.

[Mr. Evans]

How about an update Stu/Gugu?
DEF: 63/64
TS: 80/81
TW: 89/90
Remove Passer

With Fabregas' RES updated, Modric should go down as well. Maybe a 82, one point under Fabregas? And what do people think about Tech.. I think it can go up a point but I'm not sure.

[ballmer]

I agree with your suggestions except TW which I'm unsure of.. I think this should be an 88 max. He still dribbles a fair bit I believe. And considering orange values as world class, I think he's just a tad below such a standard.

And he doesn't go for the killer ball, a tendency that *Passer creates. And especially agreed response. It irks me, seeing the CMF response overration. I think I have him on 81, as he makes a moderate amount of interceptions for a CMF, though PSD is still clinging to slightly higher standards so an 82 would definitely be agreeable.

Yeah, technique is surprisingly low. I think an 88 wouldn't be unjust. He's excellent at trapping effectively, enabling him to proceed to evading a marker or turning away very quickly. What value did you have in mind?

[tasmin]

lol ! i sometimes saw him passing the ball to his team-mates when even he can perform a shot.
any way i would rate him 89 at least.

[Mr. Evans]

I added the 90 as someone mentioned he could sit on a 90 while discussing him a while back. I have him on a 89 now but I wouldn't argue a 88. But Phil did mention he should sit above Silva (TW 88) and I think he makes a good point. Anway, a 88/89 is good for me.

I think I have him on a 81 as well but I said 82 as Fabregas and Xavi are on a 83 and 81 on the site. And he should definitely be above Xavi imo.

I can definitely agree with a 88. I was a bit careful by saying it can go up a point but I agree with your comment on his trapping.

[ballmer]

Yeah, I'd be content with an 82, though in an ideal, un-stubborn world, instead of:

Xavi: 81
Fabregas: 83
Modric: 82

I'd have:

Xavi: 79
Fabregas: 82
Modric: 81

So yes, I agree on:

TECH: 88
RES: 81/82 (I'd urge 81, as he should have his own realistic value, even if Xavi/others remain slightly overrated)
TS: 81
DEF: 63
- remove *Passer

[Mr. Evans]

Add DEF 63/64 and TS 80/81 to that .

[xeneize]

agree with the cahnges with DEF64 and TS81

[Gugu]

I've updated everything except Technique, I disagree to it being raised, I think that his great speed of turning and acceleration with his first touch glorifies his actual ball-controlling ability, which I don't think is as good as Kranjcar's or Rooney. In terms of pure trapping I think that those two players control the ball with less bobble than modric, just that Modric would quicky capitalise on 1st touch quicker by dribbling out of danger faster, or passing a ball quicker than the other two. I don't mind being outvoted on it and updating him, but does he have a first touch on par with Rosicky and Hernanes?

[xeneize]

nice... and only to question, don't deserve S02-Passer?

[RedDevil17]

I think update is good but i thik o raise Tech to 88

[Mr. Evans]

You know what, I agree with you Gugu. I guess his Tech is fine.

@xeneize
Nahh, he's not the type that regularly goes for the final/killer ball. His high SPA (and TW) is enough for him.