xeneize wrote:with the last comment of Nacho i can realize his actual BAL, who seems high tbh seeing Riquelme in a 83 (who deserve 1 pont more IMO)
i mean, Verón don't use his body like before since 2 tournaments back when he started with his worse injuries who leave him out 4/5 matches per tournament, after that, i thikn he's more "careful" with his body sometimes, and don't put all his effor in cover teh ball or in some fight body vs. body, for that i think in a decrease of 1 point
Vickingo wrote:Moved back to Estudiantes, thanks for this Bruja, Argentinian football needs a lot from these kind of player. I dunno why, but I do think Sabella will pick him for the WC.
Dimon wrote:Not so stupid at all, mate. He always fucked up in important matches, whatever tournament you'll take. In 98 he showed almost nothing, Cholo Simeone impressed me much more, real monster and the leader on the pitch. Really creative was Ortega, so what Veron was doing? Nothing personal, but I think that he sold smoke. About 2002, the best is not to speak, pure shit, he completely deserved all this critics.
And, from my point of view, the best Argentinian NT was in 2006, played really well. And it was without Veron, Pekerman didn't call him since became DT of National Team and was completely right about this: you didn't feel his lack at all at this team, so he wasn't so important like press want to persuade us.
He fucked up even in Estudiantes several times. For example, with Barcelona in 2009. When the team was need of him at most (to control the ball more) he dissapeared and when had the ball was making error after error in passes. The second time team played like with ten mens, cause Veron was tired as hell and did absolutely nothing. Only because of real warriors like Chapu Braña, Cellay and some others team almost win. And when Barselona scored equalaiser, it was Veron who lost his marking (on Messi).
Don't get me wrong, he's good player, but very overrated by our press. While real Argentinian talents like Guille Schelotto or Chelo Delgado almost hadn't chances to play in NT. And that's only example, en reality here was a lot of players who deserved to play in NT, but always played all this pseudo-superstars like Veron.
Vickingo wrote:and what about vs Cruzeiro? I made that comp, he didn't fuck anything, quite the opposite, commanded the team to win for the 1st time in a Brazilian field a final...that's really impressive with a team which came from the pre-qualify or isn't that enough? He was absolutely key in that Copa Libertadores and I'm pretty sure if that team wouldn't have Verón, probably didn't even surpass 1/8. Yeah, Braña was great but he had near him Verón, both were great together but the key and 'soul' of that team was Verón.
Probably he was a bit overrated but he's a crazy talent, it's really hard to find a player with his style and how succesful he was at his career...NT? Yeah is a really shame at his career as well as it's Zanetti's, Ayala's, Demicheli's, Almeyda's, etc...as they didn't win shit and they aren't overrated at all. You know, since 1993 Argentina didn't win anything. And the comparision with Guillermo Barros Schelotto and Delgado is pretty off imo as both were awesome strikers and Verón is a midfielder. Still I get your point but I don't really agree with that. Also i don't agree Verón is a 'pseudo-star'.
Btw I'm really happy with him backing to play, he would make afa league better.
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