Mr. Evans wrote:We've only recently been working on DEF for DMFs. DMFs with a DEF rating over 78 were very rare, obviously a lot of DMFs are still outdated.
The gap between him and the likes of Busquets and Masche isn't all that big and I'll keep saying it. Cambiasso for example is an exceptional DMF but it shouldn't be the case that any other DMF doesn't even compare to him, being miles away of him.
And De Jong's a good DMF but I've never found him to be anything special. His physicality is his strongest point, rather than pure skill.
Higher passing? I'd agree with that, impressive passer.
Myself and brezza have already reworked most of the def ratings for classics and I think most of the big players on the board have been reworked for def? So time shouldn't be an issue.
Cambiasso for example is an exceptional DMF but it shouldn't be the case that any other DMF doesn't even compare to him, being miles away of him.
But why exactly? I don't think it's about pure ability in game, like if you have 75 def you can't compare with someone of 85.. I don't think thats true at all. The high def on cambiasso is for the reason that hes probably the most intelligent DMF I've ever seen and mainly, the ease which he disposes people is just phenomenal.. theres no one that compares to him, even today. By giving higher DEF values to other players, it makes them capable of these acts and you kill that uniqueness imo.
And I'm almost certain this is the reason Konami has always been so sparse with def ratings on DMF's. Cambiasso is above most CB's throughout the years at standing, clean dispossession. But what other DMF's can you say that about? That is a unique trait that should be represented through stats imo.
About the lower def/high def.. comparability in game. For example, I'm switching between palombo/cambiasso/vidal or using two at the same time in my master league. Vidal has 10 def less than him, but does it put a huge gap between the two? Not at all, just when cambiasso closes in he wins the ball with ease and consistency, vidal is more than capable of winning tones of balls too, but it's not with the same ease and consistency.. and I think that's really quite accurate.
I think when you reach the 75 value for def, you have basically a world class DMF. 80+ response just increase it, and when you get 80+ TW it just gets better and better. I mean.. I can't stress enough how competent a player is with just a 75 def and good response/tw. They are essentially world class and they can play to an extremly high ability. I'm not saying thats justification for not giving others higher, not at all. But I think it should be handed out more prudently. If the player is really special, if theres something unique to his game that makes his style in game better represented by this value being increased.
But regarding carrick stats and the gap you talked about between players. This is carricks best season ever defeinsly right? I'd say that, it's by far his best ever imo. But what about cambiasso's season? This was probably his worst season ever in inter. He struggled with fitness issues, stamina problems, severe lack of will at times,.. sometimes it really looked like he didn't care at all, or like he didn't have the energy, found himself on the bench several times too. But inspite of all this.. he still has more dispossessions and interceptions than carrick as well as double the amount of clearness. What does that say to you? If one is in his best season ever, and the other is in his worst... and the other player still beats this guy in the some of the most important areas of the defending.... it tells me one is unique and very special, and should have values that portray that, the other is just having a great season to me. I'll concede the point on 78 def since you seem so sure, but I really don't think closing gaps in pes stats is right. (I just wanna point out, that those stattistics really mean very little anways)
Whenever we adopt a new value on PSD.. we tend to hand out values really easily and it makes everyone, so, so good. But I don't think it's right, many just good players in PSD would be rated among the best in the world in konamis standards.
edit: sorry for writing an eassy... it's not so much carrick related, but how we are applying def
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