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Re: Joe HART

Postby victorjbm » 2012 Jul 16, 17:43

anyone knows about his speed????



is the fastest goalkeeper in the world!!!!
i have him in py pes with 87 on top speed, but i still thinking should be higher
rooney is running, and hart is faster, and think that rooney is fast too...
his speed should be 87 - or more!!!
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Re: Joe HART

Postby chedl » 2012 Sep 06, 03:45



awesome goal, more ST? :lol: :mrgreen:

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Re: Joe HART

Postby axxis » 2012 Sep 18, 22:20

Great game for him today. By the way, this stats seems little low. I mean he has 7 keepers above him in terms of DEF, and 7 keepers for KS in Premier League. Just doesn't feel right.

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Re: Joe HART

Postby s-cobar » 2012 Sep 18, 22:46

this is mostly my set, so where do you think he moves wrong in pes?

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Re: Joe HART

Postby vinnie » 2012 Nov 29, 01:28

victorjbm wrote:anyone knows about his speed????



is the fastest goalkeeper in the world!!!!
i have him in py pes with 87 on top speed, but i still thinking should be higher
rooney is running, and hart is faster, and think that rooney is fast too...
his speed should be 87 - or more!!!
(soory for bad english)


It's the video that's a bit messed up, probably has to do with the quality, but it seems sped up too

Look at a version with english commentary here;

that really isn't more then whites/low greens.
Doesn't even look like 75 TS really, more like 70-72.

I hope that puts that to bed :D

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Re: Joe HART

Postby midnight » 2012 Nov 29, 14:30

agree , but i'd prefer a 72 rather than 70

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Re: Joe HART

Postby CR7 » 2012 Nov 29, 21:03

He's been fucking woeful this season. Just diabolical. Every game seems to be at least a flap or 2 and many of the games in which City have dropped points this season are due to Hart's fuck ups.

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Re: Joe HART

Postby CHarper » 2012 Dec 02, 00:15

Today there was a moment that showed his Top speed, was to reach a ball that was going out, could see it? :)

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Re: Joe HART

Postby Alknwm » 2012 Dec 02, 14:20

Yeah!!!

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Re: Joe HART

Postby vinnie » 2012 Dec 08, 02:03

LOL- found all this.

i guess it's a lesson not to base stuff on sketchy quality vids. he's clearly not even close to yellows in speed, probably not even worth that 75 TS based on that very same run.

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Gugu wrote:Saga So Far...

Crnogorac wrote:Just look at this. TS: 85 ? :D

tomaster wrote:WoW, maybe 90? :D
Crnogorac wrote:Nah, he would be on pair with Ronaldo. :D i think point below is good :D
Mateo1987 wrote:I have never in my life seen a goalkeeper running that fast! That was a run that even Ronaldo wouldn't be ashamed of.

Above 80 in Top Speed and Acceleration definitely!
AlboSoldier wrote:And don't come and say we can't rate players by a match. That run was stunning. It's impossible doing it with his current stats, red form or not.
gugu2903 wrote:WOW. OMG. *Jaw Drops*

Are youse seriously considering a new stats for speed. On the basis of that video alone, I'd agree, however a lot of goalkeepers could run faster. They just don't show it.
Das ist das! wrote:agree. we have an evidence for this player at least and evidence is evidence.
kratos1993 wrote:Holy crap!!! He should have speed stats in the mid 80's at least, that was one hell of a run
gugu2903 wrote:Then a lot of goalkeepers would have to be raised, to compensate. Probably a lot more could run faster then Joe, as I said in my previous post, they just don't show it.
tomaster wrote:It's simple: if they don't show it, it doesn't count, that is how pesdatabase works.
gugu2903 wrote:Exactly :D
Crnogorac wrote:And according to that he should have high values for TS and ACC ;)
gugu2903 wrote:So:
Should many other GK have it, who in a different context would run as equally or faster than said player?
Crnogorac wrote:But we don't know would they run faster or not, untill they show it. ;) Hart showed awesome speed for a GK and IMO should be raised in speed stats.
tomaster wrote:Not ACC, only TS.
tryfyllaraG9 wrote:I'd go for a high green in TS, we should wait for a mod's opinion first.


This suggested raise will create an anomaly in accordance with the other keepers. Don't you guys see :| :x :?: :

  1. It Will
    gugu2903 wrote:create an anomaly in accordance with the other keepers
    He'll be the outlier when compared to so many GK's and that is not on when this site strives to create accurate and methodical stats. :idea: With these suggested raises bandied about, some outfield players will have to be on a red value.
    Cesar - Overmars :?:
    Casillas - Edgar Alvarez :?:

    eff off :evil:
  2. He'll be too fast off the line. He is already very fast for a GK, do you guys want a fan-fed-full-fueled-frenzy :?: :!: :| He has very good response, and ACC already, he isn't actually God - Like in his speed.

  3. In PES, in in the correct context and using a certain dribbling technique, it is possible to simulate this run, believe me, I tried with slower keepers.

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Re: Joe HART

Postby CHarper » 2012 Dec 08, 03:24

All this discussion for speed?
is absurd,
a GK does not show his speed in a game.
also this video is for more than two years ago
even though I have questioned is his response, imo

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Re: Joe HART

Postby justicecorp » 2012 Dec 13, 13:25

Any of you moderator guys got stats for a younger version of Joe Hart please? :)

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Re: Joe Hart

Postby vinnie » 2013 Jan 22, 08:33

i've updated DEF from 87-=> 90.. just to properly bring him in line with the other keepers, sparing a detailed description.

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Re: Joe Hart

Postby vinnie » 2013 Feb 06, 08:58

to me 90 def and 86 gks has played pretty well for me in game, but i don't think it fully justifies the stats, i've looked back at some videos, and the revelation came to me that his konami set... is actually pretty good, this is an admission, because i was incredulous with the new pes 13 konami set the first time i saw it and remember talking about it in chat.. but honestly looking at it now, and rewatching videos of hart's performances in 2012.. i don't think there's anything really wrong with it? :?

His ability to come out of his goal to challenge 1-v-1 situations, or contort his body to block shots, is probably amongst the best of the premier league.

I see his reflexes as being fine as they are, but his Goalkeeping skills could really come up some bit, to something like 90.

Does this huge raise of stats and combined ability overpower him? Not at all really, when you think about it, and i was shown this perspective by jurgens, it's really simple to see but it seems difficult to grasp sometimes because of the weird huge gaps we tend to try to give between good, great and world class keepers, as, compared to the absolute best world-class keepers, even with stats like these, does hart compare?

comparision:

HANDANOVIC VS HART
TECHNIQUE
30 Attack 30
95 Defence 93
40 Header Accuracy 55
46 Dribble Accuracy 56
55 Short Pass Accuracy 57
56 Short Pass Speed 60
61 Long Pass Accuracy 61
66 Long Pass Speed 67
40 Shot Accuracy 44
38 Place Kicking 45
37 Swerve 45
48Ball Control 55
95 Goal Keeping Skills 90
4 Weak Foot Accuracy 3
4 Weak Foot Frequency 3
SPEED
95 Response 93
73 Explosive Power 73
50 Dribble Speed 57
68 Top Speed 75
PHYSICAL
86 Body Balance 83
69 Stamina 69
85 Kicking Power 84
73 Jump 79
B Injury Tolerance B
RESISTANCE
2 Attack Awareness 2
2 Defence Awareness 2
8 Form 6
78 Tenacity 80
75 Teamwork 70


Even with his stats at how i'd imagine them, Konami stats in some areas (ment/tw the small ones), he's incomparably behind Handanovic. Considering the three key aspects for goalkeeping (DEF/RES/GKS), Hart is a whole 9 points behind Handanovic.

And there you have that invisible barrier between classes of keepers, the world--class ones, and greats, hart is a great keeper on his day, a bit error prone and still protected by the media and occaisonally overrated... but he's a great keeper nonetheless. A great one that isn't quite in that World-class level.

Values like these aren't really overpowered in game anyways, a 90 GKS still makes mistakes, still makes unaccountable errors, and inexplicable actions, but it's about the skill of keeping.

I'm not planning to really implement this, but it's something i've been thinking about.

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Re: Joe Hart

Postby alrizal » 2013 Feb 06, 12:38

orange res make him too good for penalty stopper

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Re: Joe Hart

Postby CHarper » 2013 Feb 06, 15:53

honestly for my set that has now Hart is quite suitable, good Spotter, good reflexes, maybe failure capture ball and so usually deflect,
I do not know what the others think but if considered increase somewhat, to be only response (94) and GKS (88)

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Re: Joe Hart

Postby Neef » 2013 Feb 06, 18:02

I think his GKS can not elevate an orange :geek: . Well, Tim Krul has 87 if I remember to this stat, since Hart is rated as 86 (today). I think the two nearly equal in this respect, with a few differences. But that's beside the point that I think is nice raise its GKS but with orange border, 89 would capture their functions well. But what leads me to think that? Do not know if you guys agree, but Hart may be too stripped in its outputs, delivering easy balls, balls not handle easy, I think this can lead to a high value for GKS, but not orange. It has games he seems very anxious, and failure behind failures :? . 89 would be a good thing, at least for now.

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Re: Joe Hart

Postby CHarper » 2013 Feb 06, 22:03

good saved against penal ronaldinho, good reaction ... surprised me :O

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Re: Joe Hart

Postby CHarper » 2013 Feb 07, 14:22

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Re: Joe Hart

Postby Malakayi » 2013 Feb 11, 13:01

he's much too inconsistent this season to still warrant Form 6 imo.

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