Hernán Barcos, LDU Quito

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Hernán Barcos, LDU Quito

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Re: Hernán Barcos

Postby TheGreatest » 2013 Jul 29, 21:18

There's something wrong with this guy, he looks even slower than normal :? , missing everything that he tries, without any confidence or objectivity...

At least deserves a drop of form to 4~5.
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Re: Hernán Barcos

Postby GullyGod » 2014 Feb 14, 10:08

Guess have to agree with TheGreatest , dont know if its Barcos of if its cause the lack of Gremio`s offensive power but Barcos is not lethal as before as he was in LDU Quito (2011) and in Palmeiras (2012) anymore. Last season Gremio`s offensive was pretty weak and Barcos scored only 9 goals in almost 40 games.

Yesterday he was also pretty slow in my eyes , probably white acceleration , form can drop to 5 and his SP is also not so stunning as 85 , 83 - 84 suits him much more. Though he is still a great CF hope he can get back to his old form.
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Re: Hernán Barcos

Postby reQ » 2014 Feb 23, 18:23

can someone explain to me these stats? absolutely disproportional, imo.
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Re: Hernán Barcos

Postby TheGreatest » 2014 Mar 06, 16:24

This set looks painful to my eyes, with these stats he would be a world class player, that he clearly isn't. So i made this set based in the ladder of the brazilian league. TBH i'm not playing much PES lately since the 14 version is a shitty copy of fifa, so i made the tests in PES 13. I will explain stat by stat since i prefer this way.
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Attack: 84 -> This value is enough for the amount of danger that he creates
Defence: 42 -> Decent defensive contribuition, but less than before due to tactics
Header Accuracy: 79 -> Really average header technique, could be even lower)
Dribble Accuracy: 84 -> He don't need that high DA with all these cards, and i have seen he miss control the ball several times
Short Pass Accuracy: 77 -> Cosmetic change
Short Pass Speed: 75 -> same
Long Pass Accuracy: 74 -> Not consistent enough to deserve a green value
Long Pass Speed: 72 -> Really floaty passes
Shot Accuracy: 82 -> This value represents well what he is showing
Place Kicking: 67 -> Left this value since he is the primary penalty taker
Swerve: 75 -> same
Ball Control: 84 -> TBH could be lower, he hardly kills the ball
Goal Keeping Skills: 50 -> Why 65?
Weak Foot Accuracy: 7
Weak Foot Frequency: 6
SPEED
Response: 80 -> He isn't so responsive but still deserves yellow though
Explosive Power: 72 -> Really really stiff, looks like he has concrete in his hip
Dribble Speed: 74 -> Dunno if could be lower, i tested TS > DS but didn't made much difference
Top Speed: 73 -> I don't remember the last time the he defeated anybody by speed
PHYSICAL
Body Balance: 84 -> Hardly beat strong defenders
Stamina: 78 -> Dunno why yellows, hardly plays the entire game with the good rhythm
Kicking Power: 82 -> He does some strong shots sometimes, but this value is what he shows usually
Jump: 80 -> Dunno if should go lower as usually wins some aerials challenges but screw up most of them in his poor header technique
Injury Tolerance: B
RESISTANCE
Attack Awareness: 2 -> He really isn't a aggressive CF, sometimes even looks a midfielder
Defence Awareness: 1 -> Last year i would give him 2, but this year the manager changed the tactics and he don't need to defend like before
Form: 5 -> made less than 5 really good games(red arrow) with Grêmio shirt
Tenacity: 78 -> He's the captain and stuff, but if changed this value would lower and not higher
Teamwork: 80 -> Left the value to replicate how he likes to get out of the area
* Removed 1-touch play as he hold the ball too much, when he could do one touches to get better results
P13 - Dummy Runner
S06 - Long Range Drive -> added this as he does at lot of placed shots but usually they lack accuracy
S13 - Step On Skills
S14 - Deft Touch Skills
S21 - Run Around
S22 - Sombrero

I think most of the values could be even lower, but i will wait a little further to see if he gets better. Barcos sometimes annoys me so much, he seems to think that he's better than he actually is, and he doesn't know how to use his strengths in effective way.
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Re: Hernán Barcos

Postby jurgens » 2014 Mar 06, 23:47

His DA and tech and even short passing are all pretty outstanding for a CF. I've been more impressed with his DA last year than with Ibra's.
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Re: Hernán Barcos

Postby RasniPantela » 2014 Mar 16, 12:03

Lol how many good, awesome players were trashed by red star , so that shit players with rich parents could play , their parents bribe someone in red star managment , and BAM! Their shitty son is in first team.... Some not so clever things done by red star managment: They said Matic dont know to run , and that he will never be good player. Now he plays in chelsea. Barcos. Instead of him , Pantelic played (guy that scores goal on my avatar) He is good player , but Barcos is like Ronaldo compared to Pantelic. And he was not respected by his teammatees, stupid Koroman(shit footballer) was insulting him every training. Kolarov (they laughed at him , and said that he could never be footbaler) Now he plays for Man.City...... I am just sad where Serbian football is going....
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Re: Hernán Barcos

Postby Dimon » 2014 Mar 16, 17:57

DA may remain (still Barcos rarely shows this level of DA, I'd prefer something about 87), but generally TheGreatest has a very precise point about his stats. Barcos was well-rated for his great 2012 season, but since 2013 he didn't showed nothing close to those level.

Agree with TheGreatest about ATT, DEF may remain at 43 (quite good in tackles and positioning).
About Header, I wouldn't rush things, for now I'll put 80-81.
SPA can be even lower a bit (76). About LPA and LPS agree.
SA can stay a bit higher (83), good placer (but not for 86 surely).
Swerve can be lower (about 73), he doesn't put a lot of curl to the ball.
Tech: agree with TheGreatest, I'd even put a 1 point lower (83).

About speed stats not sure, maybe they can be a bit higher than was suggested.

BAL also can be a bit higher (85), but 84 is a good number too.
Stam, KP - agree, Jump can be a bit lower (78), with his height 80 will be overrate.
Form 5 - agree.
Not sure about such low att/def awareness.

Ment can be lower by two points (76), as well as TeamWork (78). He's not so desicive/determine as before, and doesn't move so much to support team play.
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Re: Hernán Barcos

Postby Kubana » 2014 Mar 20, 05:51

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Re: Hernán Barcos

Postby reQ » 2014 Mar 24, 19:36

according to thegreatest's post: ATT could be even 83, TW around 76 with form 5. i am not sure about his WFA and WFF (7,6). but the technical things with the ball should remain: like DA, TEC, BC.
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Re: Hernán Barcos

Postby Kubana » 2014 Mar 30, 08:54

Hey guys, what are you taking about here?

Greatest suggest decrease all skills - why we should decrease BB? why we should decrease dribbling and tech from 89 to 84? such a big decreasing
Header to 81 or 79? - what a bullshit? passing?

TheGreatest wrote:Barcos sometimes annoys me so much

so Greatest, if Barcos annoys you it is not a reason to decrease all his skills

Barcos shows a hat-trick to all of you:


I agree with decreasing just one-two point such skills like Att to 87 or 85, SA to 84, SP to 84, some others skills, but not so big decreasing like Greatest suggest
I think DA, tech, passing, heading must stay without decreasing (one point at list may be)

PS: january goal tell something about SA, ST, WFA:

more from this match: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjA4MJHHXjw
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Re: Hernán Barcos

Postby TheGreatest » 2014 Mar 30, 16:23

so Greatest, if Barcos annoys you it is not a reason to decrease all his skills


Barcos annoys me because he's not a effective CF and loses so many important goals.

DUDE, he scored a hat-trick against a team who is in the THIRD DIVISION of Brazil and scored this "beautiful" goal in a team who isn't even in a division in Brazil (Brazil has four divisions). He didn't scored a SINGLE goal in Libertadores Cup. :| Barcos looks like a freaking Bully that only hit the weaker ones. :?

I decreased his stats in my set because he is overrated and i tried to represent what he is showing with Gremio shirt. I did a ton of tests with him and this set worked well to represent him.

But i recognize that perhaps i decreased too much his DA, DS and TS that could be 1~2 points higher. Maybe can be a thing with the Player ID thing in the version that i made the tests that i didn't saw the difference. But we have to consider the arrow effect in the players.

I would make a comparative with the Global ladder to make my point, but i have others things to do. :roll: Cya.
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Re: Hernán Barcos

Postby Kubana » 2014 Apr 03, 09:21

So he scores in Copa Libertadores yesterday:


nice goal with good TS, DS and chop at finish
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Re: Hernán Barcos

Postby reQ » 2014 Apr 03, 15:23

nice goal with good TS, DS and chop at finish


for me it looks more like bad defense but nice finish indeed.
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Re: Hernán Barcos

Postby Scaramuso » 2014 May 01, 21:32

Damn he's a fucking animal, only him caused problems against all San Lorenzo's defense, he won all the crosses and long balls.. his balance is just amazing as his tech. I don't know how is not playing in Europe.
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Re: Hernán Barcos

Postby brazilianpesfan » 2014 May 20, 03:27

His form should be reduced, by now. He can miss the easiest opportunity lately...
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Re: Hernán Barcos

Postby Epsi » 2014 Jul 10, 19:22

He remembers me of Christian Riganò.
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Re: Hernán Barcos

Postby mr.Boss » 2014 Jul 10, 21:47

Why is his KS 65 ?
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Re: Hernán Barcos

Postby BelloMina » 2014 Aug 07, 00:54

mr.Boss wrote:Why is his KS 65 ?

Because he has played as a GK at least twice making very good saves
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Re: Hernán Barcos

Postby pelimetal » 2015 Feb 21, 06:41

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Re: Hernán Barcos

Postby chamakh » 2017 Jan 16, 22:20

move him back to _ecu Liga de Quito, CONMEBOL

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