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Moussa Dembélé

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Re: Moussa DEMBELE

Postby Mr. Evans » 2011 Dec 29, 14:15

He has very good top speed but he needs a while to reach it, at first he's not all that fast. I'm thinking about changing his speed stats to TS 85/ACC 80. And BAL could possibly go up to a 87.
STA should go up a point and DEF needs a big boost, he's not this lazy when it comes to defensive duties. And LPA seems too low, any thoughts?

I'll try to watch him more closely as I think he needs more changes.

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Re: Moussa DEMBELE

Postby Yazid » 2012 Jan 02, 16:54

I support Fulham and watch dembele pretty regularly, and I feel these stats aren't that accurate. BB should be 86-87, he never gets shrugged off the ball. Accel could drop to 81ish but TS could warrant as high as 86-87 imo. SPA and LPA could slightly increase also and maybe technique up 1 too.

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Re: Moussa DEMBELE

Postby Jez » 2012 Jan 02, 17:33

So,
Defence: Did you have a rough value in mind?
Top Speed: 85-87 (I'd go with 85, with 86 potentially at a push)
Acceleration: 80/81 (I'd definitely go 81)
Balance: 86/87 (Prefer the 86 considering the current ladder)
Stamina: 83
Short Pass Accuracy: 77 maybe?
Long Pass Accuracy: 76 maybe?
Technique: 85

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Re: Moussa DEMBELE

Postby Paddy » 2012 Jan 02, 17:36

He's probably my favourite Fulham player.

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Re: Moussa DEMBELE

Postby Brezza » 2012 Jan 02, 17:45

Maybe slightly higher agility as well? he always seems to give defenders a torrid time with his quick feet.

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Re: Moussa DEMBELE

Postby BigStu » 2012 Jan 02, 18:31

agree to those, though not 100% on the higher agility, though I spose 1 point is fine

And interesting choice Paddy, I'd say mines Dempsey or riise

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Re: Moussa DEMBELE

Postby Jez » 2012 Jan 02, 19:00

AJ for England!

He's similar to Ricardo Fuller, except he has the advantage of being in better shape. I'm happy with a Point rise in Agility.

Is Dribble Speed not slightly too low? He's not a demon on the ball by any means, but comparing him to players with a similar Top Speed (those in the 85-87 range baring in mind the potential update) I think he could sit a couple of places higher on an 83.

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Re: Moussa DEMBELE

Postby Paddy » 2012 Jan 02, 19:08

He's one of the best dribblers I've seen in the premier league, very similar to David Silva in DA imo.

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I'd agree, him and Ruiz along with Mounir El Hamdaoui were my favourite players in the Eredivisie a couple of seasons ago, and to see Mounir linked to a switch to Fulham is unreal, I'd love that to happen, it'd be the most silky and skillful attacking trident in the PL.

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Re: Moussa DEMBELE

Postby Jez » 2012 Jan 02, 19:21

Are you actually solidly suggesting a 93 sort of value for Dribble Accuracy?

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Re: Moussa DEMBELE

Postby Mr. Evans » 2012 Jan 02, 19:33

DA could use a raise yeah, I was still a bit hesitant to go higher. Don't rate him that highly though (as good as Silva) but I'd agree with a 88. Also agree with the rest of the changes, DS could go up a point though I personally wouldn't go higher (on DEF, I was thinking a 34/35?).
He's a terrible shooter though and he could be one of the first players who's shooting we rate without paying mind to his position.

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Re: Moussa DEMBELE

Postby Jez » 2012 Jan 02, 21:23

Okay, so how about (leaving shooting for the time being, unless you have some values now?):

Defence: 35
Top Speed: 85
Acceleration: 81
Balance: 86
Stamina: 83
Agility: 85
Dribble Accuracy: 88
Dribble Speed: 82
Short Pass Accuracy: 77
Long Pass Accuracy: 76
Technique: 85

Also, are we sure about his registered position?

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Re: Moussa DEMBELE

Postby Fiddy » 2012 Jan 02, 21:33

Main Position should be SS* if you ask me...and agree with the update :)

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Re: Moussa DEMBELE

Postby Paddy » 2012 Jan 02, 22:00

Jez wrote:Are you actually solidly suggesting a 93 sort of value for Dribble Accuracy?


Yes, he's actually that good. Technique should be up around the 88 mark too. Top notch player.







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There isn't a lot of his time at Fulham online, but he's been very good, not given the acclaim he deserves as he was signed as a forward and hasn't scored a lot. I also don't know why people think he has no acceleration, he slows down on the ball a lot, buts he's got an incredible burst of pace. He's akin to Silva in that he's an attacking playmaker. I love him.

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Re: Moussa DEMBELE

Postby Mr. Evans » 2012 Jan 02, 22:09

Hmm I have to say I don't see the incredible ball control you see Paddy (though I'd agree with raising TECH further, not sure on a 88 though.. more 86/87), weird how our opinion on him in this differs this much though. You've definitely made me a lot more interested in him.

I'd push for BAL 87 though. Maybe it's just me but I find his BAL terrific, very much like Ibrahimovic in how players find it extremely difficult to push/move him or to bring him down. I'd probably suggest higher if I saw him more regularly but I'll go for a safe bet right now.

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Re: Moussa DEMBELE

Postby Paddy » 2012 Jan 02, 22:14

He also obviously needs trickster ;) Please do, Fulham up front are one of my favourite teams to watch, really enjoy looking at the technique and flair they have on show.

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Re: Moussa DEMBELE

Postby Jez » 2012 Jan 02, 22:21

Hmm. If we're talking about how effective he is at Dribbling i.e. success rate and the attacking potency of his dribbles, if you like, then sure, he can definitely be considered, at times, to be up there with the best of the best. He has a lot more in his locker than Silva when it comes to tricks ad flicks but in pure PES terms i.e. Dribble Accuracy indicating how close the ball stays to a players foot whilst dribbling, he's nowhere near Silva. If anything, those videos show me a player of an 88 standard maximum but if I was being honest with myself, I'd say he looks pretty well rated as it is. The inclusion of certain cards (although I don't play the next-gen version so can't make any real suggestions) would probably enhance him and replicate him better in the game. Technique again looks alright as it is but again, I wouldn't lose sleep over an 86.

I can agree with Balance 87 too now though having had my memory somewhat refreshed by those videos.

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Re: Moussa DEMBELE

Postby BigStu » 2012 Jan 02, 23:46

I disagree with raising da as well, Ruiz has the better control though offhand he might be underated

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Re: Moussa DEMBELE

Postby Paddy » 2012 Jan 03, 03:21

http://www.kewego.com/video/iLyROoaf2ycP.html

Check that out, Dembele really is a better dribbler, he moves at more pace and doesn't slow down as much as Ruiz does, its a lot easier to control a ball at a slower pace than when running full tilt, Moussa is fantastic at keeping the ball in small spaces and due to being a big enough player he's overlooked for his blatant talent, he's not as agile in game so a lot of what people consider DA (slick movements and controlling won't be achievable with a player like Dembele. He deserves at least a 90. How he's rated as close to Nani as he is, is completely unfair and inaccurate.

Technique based Ruiz is better, and he's so much more agile, but they've got completely different styles of dribbling, one a slow paced mover with incredible close control and another with the ability to move a ball into space and control a ball at full pace and turn players on a six pence at ease, both are completely different dribblers, and your comparison Stu isn't justifiable, Ruiz is similar to Silva, Dembele reminds me of Ronaldo with better control.

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Re: Moussa DEMBELE

Postby Jez » 2012 Jan 03, 17:11

We need to come to some sort of conclusion regarding his Dribble Accuracy/Technique.

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Re: Moussa DEMBELE

Postby Yazid » 2012 Jan 06, 01:55

I agree with the changes Jez, Balance could even go up to 87. As far as technique and dribb acc are concerned, I believe that 87 is plenty high enough for DA and 86 for tech, anything higher is too much I think because he is careless with the ball occasionally whilst his dribble closeness isn't worthy of an 88 imo, but DS could easily go up a couple too.

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