Patricio Toranzo, Shanghai Shenhua

[Messias18]

[jmg721]

To me he was the most impressive player vs River Plate. Here are my notes:

RCMF/good shot from distance at keeper/SP 83+/nice long cut pass with pace/using as almost an AMF/another RF shot from very deep(save had to be made)/RF/a weak wide shot effort from distance/awesome RF volley from distance needed a great save/*drib/*ms/created a little space to fire a shot from distance/shot from distance deflected/another ms too high/decent pace/good ds/-tw loves to shoot/good da/not bad BB/LFK taker into box/

Could have been a little harsh on his dribbling, LP & res

[Messias18]

Could have been a little harsh on his dribbling, LP & res

What do you think about this update?:

Response: 80-81 (+3/4)
Dribble Accuracy: 80-81 (+2/3)
Dribble Speed: 80 (+2)
Long Pass Accuracy: 82 (+4)
Long Pass Speed: 78 (+4)

[jmg721]

Could have been a little harsh on his dribbling, LP & res

What do you think about this update?:

Response: 80-81 (+3/4)
Dribble Accuracy: 80-81 (+2/3)
Dribble Speed: 80 (+2)
Long Pass Accuracy: 82 (+4)
Long Pass Speed: 78 (+4)

Not sure if his LPA is THAT good...otherwise looks fine to me. Probably go with the 80 res.

[Messias18]

Updated

[julgui]

Attack: 77 (As Santiago RAYMONDA, Mariano MESSERA, Mauro FORMICA, Alejandro GOMEZ).
Defense: 53
Tech: 81: (Mauro DIAZ, Leandro VELÁZQUEZ, Sergio SENA, José Ernesto SOSA, Matías ABELAIRAS, Christian KILY GONZÁLEZ, Sebastián FERNÁNDEZ, Pablo MOUCHE, Federico HIGUAIN, Daniel VILLALVA.) Except for Sosa maybe Higuain or Villalba, the rest is not even close to the technique of Toranzo.

It is far from the best of the last tournaments.

[Boa Morchi]

Attack: 77 (As Santiago RAYMONDA, Mariano MESSERA, Mauro FORMICA, Alejandro GOMEZ).
Defense: 53
Tech: 81: (Mauro DIAZ, Leandro VELÁZQUEZ, Sergio SENA, José Ernesto SOSA, Matías ABELAIRAS, Christian KILY GONZÁLEZ, Sebastián FERNÁNDEZ, Pablo MOUCHE, Federico HIGUAIN, Daniel VILLALVA.) Except for Sosa maybe Higuain or Villalba, the rest is not even close to the technique of Toranzo.

It is far from the best of the last tournaments.

Agree with tech and DF, maybe attack 75

Isn't he playing AMF now? If not he deserves *Centre

[Messias18]

Seems necessary these changes now:
Defence: 66 (-2) On pair with Verón
Curving: 79-80 (+1/+2)
Header: 72 (+1)
Technique: 79-80 (+1/+2)
Team Work Ability: 79-80 (+1/+2)

Also I will put an eye on his shot

[Messias18]

Moved to Racing Club

[lucardax5d]

I suggest to add: *Passing,

Attack: 74 (+1)
Agilty: 78 (-1)
Shot Accuracy: 76 (+2)
Shot Power: 85 (+1)
Free Kick Accuracy: 78 (+1)
Mentality: 80 (+1)

Toranzo hits the ball very well, sometimes has excellent precision, but equally is one of the best shooters (and most throw) of Argentine football.

[julgui]

Is offensive player.

Attack: 73?
Defence: 66 is much.

[jeremiasv]

Attack: 73 --> 74/75
Defence: 66 -->-->-->-->-->-->WTF? is a joke? -->-->--> 54 MAX
Agility: 79 --> 80
Dribble Accuracy: 80 --> 83
Short Pass Accuracy: 76 --> 78
Shot Power: 84 --> 85/86 (he is one of the besth here)
Free Kick Accuracy: 77 --> 80
Curving: 80 --> 78
Technique: 80 --> 81
Aggression: 76 --> 78


the defence...is a joke? it ¡s impossible 66.

[Messias18]

Defence: 66 (-2) On pair with Verón

Again, I will not make an update without a good explanation

[jeremiasv]

Defence: 66 (-2) On pair with Verón

Again, I will not make an update without a good explanation

ok, What is your esplanation of the 66 in defense??


he is a not defensive player.

i see many times this player and he don't defend so good, is imposible 66, mayby 57 max. (en cristiano, no sabe marcar, no defiende bien)


my inglish suck, sorry for taht.

[Messias18]

I have to say that I has not really sure about the defense value.
But I expect a better argument. Why his defense should be 57(-9)?
His positioning could be like Leandro BENÍTEZ (63) or Ever BANEGA (62), or near that value.

[lucardax5d]

It is true that Toranzo not have a solid defense, but neither has a defense of 57. I suggest 61, the defense of Benitez and Banega is a little better.

Would it be possible to add AM (optional)? In coupling Huracán has played most of the previous tournament, and has the qualities to do so because it has good pass, and shoot a lot of good to the goal.

[Messias18]

I think Banega's defence is underrated, should be 63-65 IMO. So 61-63 for Toranzo is Fine

[julgui]

It is not because they are so defensive. It is a AMF our offensive winger. Which is just now playing double 5.

Your comparison should be with players that develop in the same position.: Sosa (50), Datolo (58), Damian Escudero (48), Marino (46), Barrado (56), etc, etc..

[Messias18]

Banega plays with Albelda/Marchena and Benítez with Braña, both are playing at double DM. Btw Banega is 63 now

[julgui]

But they play "naturally" in that position. Instead this converted Toranzo.

61-62 NO is also a high value. Personally I see it, but all over 60 seems excessive to me.