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Re: NEYMAR

Postby Brenno » 2012 May 26, 05:07

Yazid wrote:^ No, that is simply not true, I believe that Neymar actually retains more speed on the ball than both of these players

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLFZFUv5K10 from 1:59 onwards, you can see he barely slows down on the ball.

Both are better dribblers in terms of accuracy and number of touches, but in terms of losing speed on the ball, I would say neymar retains the most.


Yeah, and with a 92 he will barely slow down on the ball! Really with this DS, TS and ACC he is extremely well replicated.

But i would like to continue the discussion about a decrease in BB, i think a 69 is too low, but a 74 would do great, what do you guys think?

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Re: NEYMAR

Postby vinnie » 2012 May 26, 05:14

I definitely agree with any BB downgrade, 69 may be extreme :) 74 sounds ok. 76 can't be left as it is in my opinion

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Re: NEYMAR

Postby Tony92 » 2012 May 26, 14:32

i would put his DA to 94/5 cause he is not less good than Hazard in this, in my opinion he is better, thats why the 95, and his tech could be 90

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Re: NEYMAR

Postby Yazid » 2012 May 26, 16:29

^Disagree, I think Hazard is better than Neymar in DA, its DS where neymar is significantly superior to him imo.

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Re: NEYMAR

Postby Anders » 2012 May 26, 16:58

Disagree about changing both his DA and DS, he is moving realistic for now with those stats. About his BB, he fall every time because he is a diver not because he is weak, or you are going to say he is so weak that a defender can make him go out flying like this, just by touching him:

Super Diver! :lol:
Is hard to rate Neymar real BB, he avoid so much the physical contact (Mainly because every time he gets shoulder to shoulder with a defender he is pushed, hold, etc.), can't see him below 74 and green is fine IMO.
I have take a look on Konami default stats of him, find quite interesting his TW (78) and his SPA (83) stats, any opinion on removing his Dummy Runner card and giving him TW 78 or higher as he obviously move more than Ganso (Though Ganso can be lower); higher SPA is nice thing too, Neymar has a good eye for a pass. Removing Dummy would open a new space for a card; I would go for 1-1 finisher as he is so calm in front of the keeper.

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Re: NEYMAR

Postby PanteraIFD » 2012 May 26, 17:16

I agree with teamwork 78. But short pass accuracy should be 81 maybe 82, I can't see him with a value better than this. For exemple Jádson, Oscar, Thiago Neves e Montillo have 83 in pass and all of them have a better short pass than neymar.

Football is very simple: who has the ball attacks, who doesn't have defends.
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Re: NEYMAR

Postby Dimon » 2012 May 26, 18:59

Agree with Anders and BB 74 (he isn't strong for nothing).

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Re: NEYMAR

Postby Brenno » 2012 May 27, 05:10

Agree with teamwork, but 83 in SPA it's too much, that 79 is really all he deserves right now. About BB, 74(could be even less) it's the max i can agree with, he is exactly what Anders said, a super diver, he dives almost everytime there's physical contact between him and the defender, and with lower BB he will dive more, right?

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Re: NEYMAR

Postby Basilio » 2012 May 27, 15:30

but diving is also part of BB...one of the main aspects to me, as a lower BB increases the frequency a player goes to the ground at physical contacts, even winning fouls more frequent

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Re: NEYMAR

Postby Anders » 2012 May 28, 02:29

Basilio wrote:but diving is also part of BB...one of the main aspects to me, as a lower BB increases the frequency a player goes to the ground at physical contacts, even winning fouls more frequent

I don’t fully understand this and I'm not sure that low BB makes a player suffer more fouls, but I can't see diving as a main aspect, take Mascherano as example, a player can be really strong and at same time a diver.
Here an small example of how strong he can be when he is not diving, the defender is pushing and holding him, but Neymar can keep going on, that is generally what happen when a defender get close enough, so Neymar generally avoid this.
I'm sure that even if he had BB 65 he would not dive in game, he will just lose the ball, so I don't think his diving attitude is a reason to decrease his BB, but I don't think that it is a big problem Neymar having BB 74, I have Iniesta with the same value and he can do the same thing.

PanteraIFD wrote:I agree with teamwork 78. But short pass accuracy should be 81 maybe 82, I can't see him with a value better than this. For exemple Jádson, Oscar, Thiago Neves e Montillo have 83 in pass and all of them have a better short pass than neymar.

About his SPA, I'm not sure too, Neymar has a so good eye for a pass (He is near a Passer) and I already saw he making really difficult trough balls, this 79 don't represent his quality short passes ability, but 81 is a real good value, one small detail: he will remain with this low SPS so isn’t exactly overpower, all of those player have higher SPS than him, at least 4 points and Montillo is underrated.

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Re: NEYMAR

Postby Basilio » 2012 May 28, 02:49

Here an small example of how strong he can be when he is not diving


He does looks fairly strong enough in this one.

I'm sure that even if he had BB 65 he would not dive in game, he will just lose the ball


No no...He will never dive, but the result would be the same, he'd fall( the lower BB the more frequent ) in circumstances higher BB players wouldnt, but not just loosing the ball, but also winning fouls at times. It's like diving.

but I don't think that it is a big problem Neymar having BB 74, I have Iniesta with the same value and he can do the same thing.


To be clear i havent opposed to any value yet, actually i agree with 74 or so, it would be same as pirlo and i find pirlo very similar, as he uses his strenght very rarely and when he does he either dives/falls or use the slightest of it to mantain some kind of balance for a second or to help him when dispossesing

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Re: NEYMAR

Postby vinnie » 2012 May 28, 02:52

I agree with 74 BB.

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Re: NEYMAR

Postby Brenno » 2012 May 29, 04:12

Agree with BB 74
so we have what...4-5 agreements?

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Re: NEYMAR

Postby midnight » 2012 May 29, 12:53

i'll add the 6th STRONGLY AGREE WITH 74 BB

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Re: NEYMAR

Postby Anders » 2012 May 30, 01:45

Update his BB, does anyone have an opinion about his TW and SPA or should we wait the end of Libertadores and Olympic Games to discuss his stats.

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Re: NEYMAR

Postby PanteraIFD » 2012 May 30, 02:17

For me you can update. SPA 81(or 82) and TW 78. I was thinking he could have the SPS higher to let his pass more dangerous, maybe 79 or 80.

Football is very simple: who has the ball attacks, who doesn't have defends.
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Re: NEYMAR

Postby Brenno » 2012 May 30, 02:22

Disagree, i mean, yes we could update right away, but i think we should wait until the end of olimpic games to see if he will keep displaying those stats regularly.

Alsoo, if this neymar now have 74 BB then his classic set needs a decrease too.

Off topic: Don't you think Ganso deserves a classic set too? Before his injury.

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Re: NEYMAR

Postby stavrello7 » 2012 May 31, 15:08

Penalty Kick Style: 3

its not number 4 ?

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Re: NEYMAR

Postby Anders » 2012 Jun 01, 01:38

stavrello7 wrote:Penalty Kick Style: 3

its not number 4 ?

On PES 2011 is the number 3, I'm 100% sure of that.

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Re: NEYMAR

Postby Odi1981 » 2012 Jun 06, 03:14

TRANSLATE....
TW I think is very wrong! In the game it appears that he was not present and did not seek this game with low value (72). If you watch a game it will see that he come to the midfield get the ball to build a play or table ... For this to happen in the TW game should be a minimum of 80, though so probably it will engage with marking too! But the fact that he have more to compensate for this game because its movement is more realistic to what he has in the games! I suggest 83 TW! Anyone agree?

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