Cesc Fàbregas

[jurgens]

CLASSIC SET(S): 2003-2005 & 2009-2010 & 2011-2012

[furymaker]

it's 2 point difference between Xavi and Cesc as I said before , Cesc can play in an advanced offensive role unlike Xavi , but Xavi makes up for it even more with his vision .
And Iniesta imo should be ahead of Xavi because he is more direct player , more aggressive in attacking role , take for an example spain-italy match , Iniesta was far more dangerous than Xavi , passing wise or dribbling/attacking wise , but he's not on Xavi's level in terms of vision , don't know if I explained you good enough what I mean

[midnight]

Simple Xavi was a CMF and Iniesta was SS thats why he was more dangerous. Ans please that was offtopic.

[furymaker]

so you're saying when Iniesta is playing in Barca as CMF/AMF he is not more dangerous/direct towards the goal than Xavi ?

[jurgens]

And Iniesta imo should be ahead of Xavi because he is more direct player , more aggressive in attacking role , take for an example spain-italy match , Iniesta was far more dangerous than Xavi , passing wise or dribbling/attacking wise

The fact that hes more agressive, or direct is not a reason for higher attack. And I don't know what game you were watching, but xavi was much more dangerous with his passing.. he was as usual the best player on the pitch for spain, and he created the most chances.. what did iniestas passing creating?

The only area he ever beats xavi is in o offensive dribbling, as that his style.. not xavis.

[furymaker]

Cesc's goal , it was started by Iniesta ? He passed to Silva and split up defenders , but nevermind , I find Iniesta more comfortable in attack than Xavi .

and you're dead wrong if you think Xavi was the best player on the pitch last game , It was Iniesta and De Rossi/Pirlo in Italy .

[jurgens]

and you're dead wrong if you think Xavi was the best player on the pitch last game , It was Iniesta and De Rossi/Pirlo in Italy .

you don't see what xavi does as it's not as spectacular? He created several goal scoring chances.

Can't be that wrong as http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/566045 ... pain-Italy seems to agree with me. 7 key passing in a single match, iniesta 1.

[furymaker]

and then again , there is that CMF/SS argument again , but hey , Xavi is always spectacular , I love his game , but I think Iniesta was bit more dangerous with all running and attacking , but maybe I'm wrong , both had great games on their levels , it's matter of taste what people like more , more direct way or smooth control with amazing passes .
Iniesta every time he received ball created danger but pass he received was from Xavi , so then again , I really don't know

[CHarper]

you think will be the successor of Xavi?
I think it is still far. not have consistency in his game

[furymaker]

Maybe he can , he's just too young to predict anything , Xavi was getting to his best at age 26 , so , you never know
I still rather put my money on Thiago , that guy has huge potential

[Alex]

I agree that Iniesta shouldn't have higher att then Xavi. Andres has superb technique and dribling, but Xavi is more efficient then him. Also Xavi's vision is above Iniesta's.

[jurgens]

Tried to give him some form of update based on the suggestions, it's really unfocused though in whats actually agreed upon. I guess something a long these lines. Better than what we had anyways. I'd like to go even lower with attack, he doesn't compare with xavi/silva/iniesta.

[zuo]

been saying this since barca milan matches..... imo cesc is just faster than this......
for me proved this even yesterday vs italy.......

[vinnie]

i don't see it zuo. 78 TS at most, 77 seems just right.

[furymaker]

he simply needs some more time to adjust perfectly to barca system , even playing as false 9 he was great , a lot of movement , passing , running behind the defense , just good overall performance by him on this EURO .
About TS he is faster than 77 , just I wouldn't give it to him because he doesn't show it often , remember the goal by Sanchez vs Leverkusen when they both started running at same time with same amount of length to reach the ball ? They were almost same speed , Alexis had shorter and more strides than him , yet , he didn't outran him more than half the meter . But that one situation doesn't guarantee him he'll get higher value than this one , he can be faster , just chooses not to show it , or it's not needed most of the times .
btw. what about TW ? Don't you think he was far more active in spain's attacks than 84 value would suggest ? He's not as lazy as that .

[midnight]

what about his SPA ? since Iniesta and Messi sit on 94/95 and Silva having an upgrade too (since everybody's claiming it)so why not upgrading him too ?

[jurgens]

93/94

[midnight]

I'd say that he can easily be on par with iniesta , he did some worldclass passes last year , eventhough some people consider him as a better short passer than iniesta. stills my thoughts.

[Yazid]

93.

[ballmer]

Should his attack be only 2 points lower than Xavi/only 3 lower than Iniesta. I'm not sure if he's higher than Thiago even, or am I mistaken?

[Korinov]

Well, if lowering ATT will make him look "out of place" in the field as he tends to do IRL, then I would be ok with it. Not sure about SPA... 92/93 IMO.