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Carlos Vela

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 09, 10:54

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Re: Carlos VELA

Postby Oswaldo » 2009 Sep 26, 09:42

Good set pedala..seems we have the same mind :D but I'm not so sure about AGG 87..I feel it a little overrated.so I'd go for 86..I also doubt giving him 1-on-1 scoring ...This maybe comes from seeing him with NT more than Arsenal..he has 6 goals in 20 apperances ..IMO this is a good number for a striker at such age..but It also can't explain giving him the star...I have to see more of him to judge.
I am also waiting your suggestions about the other Mexican talent Giovani Dos Santos :) .

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Re: Carlos VELA

Postby Vandeach » 2009 Sep 26, 10:19

I think most stats overrate his shot accuracy, his placement really isn't good enough to warrant a yellow value and often misplaces his shots, his shots are generally struck down the middle and more often than not are a result of his good shot technique. Another qualm I have is his technique value, his trapping is very good, yes, but an 83 indicates he has a good first touch, we shouldn't raise just for the sake of raising. My final complaint is his mentality, he doesn't graft for balls and is really quite lazy at times, I'd put him on a low green, 75 would be my value.

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Re: Carlos VELA

Postby Oswaldo » 2009 Sep 26, 11:35

Ok..maybe his SA could be lowered by one point but IMO Curling must go up.He makes a lot of nice shots with good swerve of the ball that tricks keepers.Bojan is going to have 78-79 CUR and I don't think he's better than Vela at this aspect.
About TEC, I suggested 84-85 ..If 85 is overrated so I think 84 is a good value ;) .
Again..Bojan has 85 TEC,Giovani Dos Santos 86,Sevilla's Capel 84.Vela is more technical than Capel or at least on par with him(even I think he's way better) ..his first touches are just magical...I can't imagine Capel is over Vela here :x.

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Re: Carlos VELA

Postby pedala robinho » 2009 Sep 26, 13:32

Perfect points IMO, zavongi. I also believe his SA can go down by one point at most, but with the 2+ in Curling. His trapping of ball is at very least a 84, I wouldn't disagree with this though. His mentality I was sure about a decrease, but I don't change in my stats, I was thinking more about a 76, what would put him on pair with Pato, but as this is just one point difference, I have no problems with 75 too, personally. His Aggression can sit on 86, he has *Reaction after all and it will help on his movements.

I also want to see more opinions on suggestions of TS and WFA/WFF by tomi77. DA and AGI I would leave as it is for now, let's wait some more exhibitions of Vela.

So, my points here are:

Shot Accuracy: 79 [-1]
Curling: 79 [+2]
Technique: 84 [-1]
Aggression: 86 [-1]
Mentality: 75~76 [-2~-3]

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Re: Carlos VELA

Postby tomi77 » 2009 Sep 26, 15:57

Vela is more accurate than ever missed Van Persie(Shot Accuracy:81).
If he had scored half his goals situations,would be the first goalscorer in the Premiership,
for this could leave him the same valuation.

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Re: Carlos VELA

Postby pedala robinho » 2009 Sep 26, 17:16

I wouldn't disagree with this thought, but keep on mind three things:

1. Van Persie played far more games than Vela.
2. Van Persie is older than Vela.
3. Van Persie also can be overrated. Adebayor is at 79, if I'm not mistaking.

So, a better comparation would be Zárate or Pato, players of the same position and similar age. Mauro Zárate is rated at 80 (but I think it can be one point more), Pato is at 82. Both don't have *Scoring nor *1-on-1 Scoring. I would consider a SA: 79 plus *1-on-1 Scoring to Vela, to try a compromise.

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Re: Carlos VELA

Postby josephd18 » 2009 Nov 25, 04:41

Vela isn't a trickster in my opinion. Nor does he use Scooping. Chip shots are his signature but the Scooping Card doesn't do that. Vela needs Speed Merchant and Mazing Run.

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Re: Carlos VELA

Postby Ken » 2009 Dec 05, 03:06

I think his BB could go down a little bit. Although he is a small player 78 BB would still be a little bit overrated for him. He tend to go down too easily when being challenged and you could clearly see his frustration because he couldn't do anything about it.

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Re: Carlos VELA

Postby kendees » 2009 Dec 12, 13:27

Absolutely agree. Sum up:

Balance: 76
Technique: 84
Mentality: 75
Shot accurary: 79
Aggression: 86
Curling: 80

I would definitely delete S20 - Scooping, maybe either Trickster card and add these:
P06 - Speed Merchant
P07 - Mazing Run
P11 - Cut Back Pass (maybe?)

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Re: Carlos VELA

Postby Tom » 2009 Dec 12, 13:30

Just to note, Chris and I should finish our update for Vela soon. ;)

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Re: Carlos VELA

Postby deity86 » 2009 Dec 16, 17:18

So Tom, when are you and this "Chris" character going to finish this update? ;)

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Re: Carlos VELA

Postby Tom » 2009 Dec 16, 17:21

deity86 wrote:So Tom, when are you and this "Chris" character going to finish this update? ;)


Have I forgotten to reply to my PM's again! Ah for feck sake! :lol: I can't believe how lazy I am :D

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Re: Carlos VELA

Postby deity86 » 2009 Dec 16, 17:24

Indeed, ya 'tard. :P

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Re: Carlos VELA

Postby BigStu » 2009 Dec 16, 17:27

no i am a tard, check the gunnarson thread to see why, what little self-belief I had has now shattered

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Re: Carlos VELA

Postby Paddy » 2009 Dec 16, 17:29

Who called you a tard?

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Re: Carlos VELA

Postby BigStu » 2009 Dec 16, 17:32

no one did but I am one, and should be banned from this site because i don't have a clue what i am doing and never will

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Re: Carlos VELA

Postby Tom » 2009 Dec 16, 17:39

Chelseakid08 wrote:no one did but I am one, and should be banned from this site because i don't have a clue what i am doing and never will


Oh get over yourself. Yes you cocked up, but I suppose it goes to show you that you should only produce sets of stats for players that you're truly confident about and with whom you know what you're talking about. Don't get all mopy like a lovechild of Morrisey and Leona Lewis.

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Re: Carlos VELA

Postby BigStu » 2009 Dec 16, 17:42

I was confident when i made those stats but thats was 4 months ago, actualy no, I posted them 4 months ago but i made them some time in June so they are at least 6 months old, and balance did look low at first,

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Re: Carlos VELA

Postby Paddy » 2009 Dec 16, 17:52

Well get over it and move on. Learn from it and be confident in your own work.

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Re: Carlos VELA

Postby deity86 » 2009 Dec 16, 18:48

Updated..

Changed registered position to SS from CF, removed AM

Attack 80 -> 79
Defence 40 -> 44
Balance 78 -> 76
Stamina 81 -> 84
TS 85 -> 87
Response 81 -> 83
Dribble Accuracy 82 -> 84
Dribble Speed 84 -> 89
SPA 76 -> 74
SPS 77 -> 74
LPA 72 -> 74
LPS 70 -> 73
SA 80 -> 78
SP 78 -> 80
ST 82 -> 80
FKA 64 -> 68
Curling 77 -> 79
Header 75 -> 74
Jump 80 -> 81
Technique 83 -> 84
Aggression 85 -> 86
Mentality 78 -> 75
Team Work 74 -> 78

Removed Trickster and Scooping and added Speed Merchant, Incisive Run, Quick Turn and Quick Scissor Dribble

Quite alot of the values are similar to ones discussed in this thread, if anyone questions the update we'll refuse them outright and lock the thread at once :lol:

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