Carlos Vela

[PES Stats Database]

[Oswaldo]

Good set pedala..seems we have the same mind but I'm not so sure about AGG 87..I feel it a little overrated.so I'd go for 86..I also doubt giving him 1-on-1 scoring ...This maybe comes from seeing him with NT more than Arsenal..he has 6 goals in 20 apperances ..IMO this is a good number for a striker at such age..but It also can't explain giving him the star...I have to see more of him to judge.
I am also waiting your suggestions about the other Mexican talent Giovani Dos Santos .

[Vandeach]

I think most stats overrate his shot accuracy, his placement really isn't good enough to warrant a yellow value and often misplaces his shots, his shots are generally struck down the middle and more often than not are a result of his good shot technique. Another qualm I have is his technique value, his trapping is very good, yes, but an 83 indicates he has a good first touch, we shouldn't raise just for the sake of raising. My final complaint is his mentality, he doesn't graft for balls and is really quite lazy at times, I'd put him on a low green, 75 would be my value.

[Oswaldo]

Ok..maybe his SA could be lowered by one point but IMO Curling must go up.He makes a lot of nice shots with good swerve of the ball that tricks keepers.Bojan is going to have 78-79 CUR and I don't think he's better than Vela at this aspect.
About TEC, I suggested 84-85 ..If 85 is overrated so I think 84 is a good value .
Again..Bojan has 85 TEC,Giovani Dos Santos 86,Sevilla's Capel 84.Vela is more technical than Capel or at least on par with him(even I think he's way better) ..his first touches are just magical...I can't imagine Capel is over Vela here .

[pedala robinho]

Perfect points IMO, zavongi. I also believe his SA can go down by one point at most, but with the 2+ in Curling. His trapping of ball is at very least a 84, I wouldn't disagree with this though. His mentality I was sure about a decrease, but I don't change in my stats, I was thinking more about a 76, what would put him on pair with Pato, but as this is just one point difference, I have no problems with 75 too, personally. His Aggression can sit on 86, he has *Reaction after all and it will help on his movements.

I also want to see more opinions on suggestions of TS and WFA/WFF by tomi77. DA and AGI I would leave as it is for now, let's wait some more exhibitions of Vela.

So, my points here are:

Shot Accuracy: 79 [-1]
Curling: 79 [+2]
Technique: 84 [-1]
Aggression: 86 [-1]
Mentality: 75~76 [-2~-3]

[tomi77]

Vela is more accurate than ever missed Van Persie(Shot Accuracy:81).
If he had scored half his goals situations,would be the first goalscorer in the Premiership,
for this could leave him the same valuation.

[pedala robinho]

I wouldn't disagree with this thought, but keep on mind three things:

1. Van Persie played far more games than Vela.
2. Van Persie is older than Vela.
3. Van Persie also can be overrated. Adebayor is at 79, if I'm not mistaking.

So, a better comparation would be Zárate or Pato, players of the same position and similar age. Mauro Zárate is rated at 80 (but I think it can be one point more), Pato is at 82. Both don't have *Scoring nor *1-on-1 Scoring. I would consider a SA: 79 plus *1-on-1 Scoring to Vela, to try a compromise.

[josephd18]

Vela isn't a trickster in my opinion. Nor does he use Scooping. Chip shots are his signature but the Scooping Card doesn't do that. Vela needs Speed Merchant and Mazing Run.

[Ken]

I think his BB could go down a little bit. Although he is a small player 78 BB would still be a little bit overrated for him. He tend to go down too easily when being challenged and you could clearly see his frustration because he couldn't do anything about it.

[kendees]

Absolutely agree. Sum up:

Balance: 76
Technique: 84
Mentality: 75
Shot accurary: 79
Aggression: 86
Curling: 80

I would definitely delete S20 - Scooping, maybe either Trickster card and add these:
P06 - Speed Merchant
P07 - Mazing Run
P11 - Cut Back Pass (maybe?)

[Tom]

Just to note, Chris and I should finish our update for Vela soon.

[deity86]

So Tom, when are you and this "Chris" character going to finish this update?

[Tom]

So Tom, when are you and this "Chris" character going to finish this update?

Have I forgotten to reply to my PM's again! Ah for feck sake! I can't believe how lazy I am

[deity86]

Indeed, ya 'tard.

[BigStu]

no i am a tard, check the gunnarson thread to see why, what little self-belief I had has now shattered

[Paddy]

Who called you a tard?

[BigStu]

no one did but I am one, and should be banned from this site because i don't have a clue what i am doing and never will

[Tom]

no one did but I am one, and should be banned from this site because i don't have a clue what i am doing and never will

Oh get over yourself. Yes you cocked up, but I suppose it goes to show you that you should only produce sets of stats for players that you're truly confident about and with whom you know what you're talking about. Don't get all mopy like a lovechild of Morrisey and Leona Lewis.

[BigStu]

I was confident when i made those stats but thats was 4 months ago, actualy no, I posted them 4 months ago but i made them some time in June so they are at least 6 months old, and balance did look low at first,

[Paddy]

Well get over it and move on. Learn from it and be confident in your own work.

[deity86]

Updated..

Changed registered position to SS from CF, removed AM

Attack 80 -> 79
Defence 40 -> 44
Balance 78 -> 76
Stamina 81 -> 84
TS 85 -> 87
Response 81 -> 83
Dribble Accuracy 82 -> 84
Dribble Speed 84 -> 89
SPA 76 -> 74
SPS 77 -> 74
LPA 72 -> 74
LPS 70 -> 73
SA 80 -> 78
SP 78 -> 80
ST 82 -> 80
FKA 64 -> 68
Curling 77 -> 79
Header 75 -> 74
Jump 80 -> 81
Technique 83 -> 84
Aggression 85 -> 86
Mentality 78 -> 75
Team Work 74 -> 78

Removed Trickster and Scooping and added Speed Merchant, Incisive Run, Quick Turn and Quick Scissor Dribble

Quite alot of the values are similar to ones discussed in this thread, if anyone questions the update we'll refuse them outright and lock the thread at once