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Postby Mateo » 2008 Dec 10, 21:25

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Re: Igor Bišćan

Postby Paddy » 2008 Dec 10, 21:27

has he not played as a DMF for Dinamo Zagreb?

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Re: Igor Bišćan

Postby CrO_WoNdEr » 2008 Dec 10, 21:36

nope his position in dinamo is CB, he played some games DMF because of Ivankovic's formation but it isn't really his position ;)

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Re: Igor Bišćan

Postby Paddy » 2008 Dec 10, 21:44

couldn't you add it as optional then?

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Re: Igor Bišćan

Postby CrO_WoNdEr » 2008 Dec 10, 21:50

I could but I don't think that he will be playing there again , because our new trainer Marijan Vlak use him only CB

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Re: Igor Bišćan

Postby Playboy » 2009 Jan 25, 16:25

He should have dmf position, he can play that anytime given.
Position: *CB/ DMF


Foot: Right
Side: Both Sides

Length: 190
Weight: 83

Attack: 63
Defence: 82
Balance: 86
Stamina: 81
Top Speed: 79
Acceleration: 77
Response: 80
Agility: 75
Dribble Accuracy: 73
Dribble Speed: 73
Short Pass Accuracy: 79
Short Pass Speed: 77
Long Pass Accuracy: 75
Long Pass Speed: 73
Shot Accuracy: 67
Shot Power: 82
Shot Technique: 72
Free Kick Accuracy: 64
Swerve: 66
Header: 83
Jump: 80
Technique: 74
Aggression: 66
Mentality: 77
Keeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 77
Injury Tolerance: B

Condition/Fitness: 5
Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot Frequency: 4
Consistency: 5

Special Ability:

* Marking
* Covering

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Re: Igor Bišćan

Postby Mateo » 2009 Aug 19, 12:13

I think he deserves a major decrease in all of his stats.
He just seems to be with this stats too much better then Robert Kovac.
Also Robert should get few points more in defence and response. ;)

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Re: Igor Bišćan

Postby CrO_WoNdEr » 2009 Aug 19, 12:34

i don't think he should get an overall decrease his defence positionaling is as good as it was before maybe he does have some bad days but i don't think that he should be lowered on here and maybe header could go one point down but overall i don't think that he weaker than that, tell me more which stats do you want to decrease and then we can discuss it ;)

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Re: Igor Bišćan

Postby Mateo » 2009 Aug 19, 12:39

Balance should be at 84,ts and acc could be 75+, and is he really that good at passing?
Mentality and response could be a few points higher.

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Re: Igor Bišćan

Postby CrO_WoNdEr » 2009 Aug 19, 12:47

okay balance could really go down he's becoming older and so he uses his body less > agree
what do you think about resp 82 and mentality 81 ? and about ts should be some points higher than his acc how 'bout TS: 77 and acc : 75 i know he isn't really fast but he got some decent speed
and i think his passing is quite average and with 79 he's able to send some accurate passes over a longer distance
btw what do you think about raising his SPS and LPS? i mean his passes are always quite strong

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Re: Igor Bišćan

Postby Mateo » 2009 Aug 19, 13:25

I'm ok with that.
His SPS could be 77-78, and LPA 76, LPS 75

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Re: Igor Bišćan

Postby CrO_WoNdEr » 2009 Aug 19, 13:38

to summarize it:
Balance 84
response 82
mentality 81
TS: 77
ACC: 75
SPS: 78
LPA: 76
and i'd give him also 78 for LPS

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Re: Igor Bišćan

Postby Fides » 2009 Sep 13, 12:14

Is he really this good? He failed at every club apart from Dinamo but with these stats he would be quite a good defender on European level....

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Re: Igor Bišćan

Postby Mateo » 2009 Sep 14, 14:19

As you can see above, I discussed about him with Cro_Wonder.

His stats are average for an CB, only that maybe doesn't suit you is his passing.
He is an good passer, and definitly deserves 75+.

Btw: I don't know what you mean that he failed at every club?He played profesionaly only for Dinamo,
Liverpool and Panathinaikos. He played for Liverpool 118 matches, and he played very good.
Only at Panathinaikos he did played bad because he lost will for football.

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Re: Igor Bišćan

Postby Bero » 2009 Nov 16, 13:39

i think hes defence ability shold be 79-80

1. Because terry has 85, and who watches dinamos games he knows that he is really good handling the croatian league strikers.. but when it comes to european matches then hes not so good.

2. Before he moved to liverpool he was playing CMF, so in pool too.

Ivankovic putted him in CB position because he joined the team in middle of winter preparation for spring part of the season, and he couldnt run as much as other players (he was playing tennis for one year only).

But his expiriance against bad HNL strikers made him a no 1 choice for the CB position in that time weeak defence od Dinamo.

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Re: Igor Bišćan

Postby Mateo » 2009 Nov 16, 21:04

Bero wrote:Ivankovic putted him in CB position because he joined the team in middle of winter preparation for spring part of the season, and he couldnt run as much as other players (he was playing tennis for one year only).


Interesting...that's explain a lot.

So to summarise it:

Attack: 63 (+2) R.Kovac is on 61, and Biscan (now) attacks a little better
Defence: 80 (-2) as you sayed
Response: 80 (-2) same as defence
Dribble Accuracy: 74 (+2) raised a little, suits him better
Dribble Speed: 72 (+2) see above

To discuss:
CARDS:
Man Marking probably deserves this
Covering probably doesn't

IMO,it should be discussed

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Re: Igor Bišćan

Postby Bero » 2009 Nov 16, 21:37

Mateo1987 wrote:
Bero wrote:Ivankovic putted him in CB position because he joined the team in middle of winter preparation for spring part of the season, and he couldnt run as much as other players (he was playing tennis for one year only).


Interesting...that's explain a lot.

So to summarise it:

Attack: 63 (+2) R.Kovac is on 61, and Biscan (now) attacks a little better
Defence: 80 (-2) as you sayed
Response: 80 (-2) same as defence
Dribble Accuracy: 74 (+2) raised a little, suits him better
Dribble Speed: 72 (+2) see above

To discuss:
CARDS:
Man Marking probably deserves this
Covering probably doesn't

IMO,it should be discussed



Tottaly agree with you

Attack:
Remember the game against Udinese? He attacked from CB position so hard the oposits even losing 2:0, and then scored a goal and was man of the match stats uefa.com.

Dribble:
He is not a technique dribbler like talented dribblers, but with his stride (dugi korak ;)) he has that funny looking dribble but very successfull.
Wish he goes more in attacking actions.


Cards:

I dont remember a game where he had that duty to mark somebody :?

When he played in CMF then he was a offensive kind of player (if to compare with gerrard if needed) i have seen repetition of the game man. utd vs croatia and hes offensive ability was stuning!
And the Ajax game when Josip Simic scored, he begun the action with his run.
So man marking mabye now at his secont time in dinamo, but in past no sir :).


hmm

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Re: Igor Bišćan

Postby Mateo » 2009 Dec 05, 18:35

Also update

Position: *CB/DMF

He's never playing on side.

Age: 31

CARDS:
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After discussion with Bero, we concluded he doesn't deserve Man Marking and Covering.
A fine example who deserves that cards is Robert Kovac.

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Re: Igor Bišćan

Postby general suvorov » 2009 Dec 06, 09:48

I'm actually surprised to see his balance at 84 as I expect to see him in at least 86. Wasn't he physically a beast? or is it because he has quite good response in EU level ?

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Re: Igor Bišćan

Postby Mateo » 2009 Dec 06, 11:07

We lowered his balance because he overall decreased almost all of his stats.
But you got the point, he's really strong. If anyone else agrees, we could raise his Balance again to 86, as it was before.

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