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Georgios Samaras

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 13, 16:39

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Re: Georgios SAMARAS

Postby kajoj20 » 2012 Jun 13, 15:36

stavrello7 wrote:(...) Also imo it is more fair with green numbers for ACC (77-78), RES (78-79)


stavrello7, please, do your duty and update him ;)

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Re: Georgios SAMARAS

Postby KeyserSoze » 2012 Jun 13, 15:41

He can't. stavrello7 mods the Greek League, not the Scottish one. You must ask Josh or any global mod for an update. ;)

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Re: Georgios SAMARAS

Postby Josh » 2012 Jun 13, 22:47

Gotta ask a question here, how many of you guys watch Samaras play for Celtic? He's disappointed me with his performances in the Euros, but he had a good season with Celtic. Nonetheless, 78 ACC and RES sound fine, I'm also gonna knock his Defence up a little.

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Re: Georgios SAMARAS

Postby Helios » 2012 Jun 13, 23:52

Isn't a 79 in technique a little bit harsh ? His trapping of the ball is very good, more impressive than his dribbling skills.

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Re: Georgios SAMARAS

Postby stavrello7 » 2012 Jun 13, 23:58

Josh wrote:Gotta ask a question here, how many of you guys watch Samaras play for Celtic? He's disappointed me with his performances in the Euros, but he had a good season with Celtic. Nonetheless, 78 ACC and RES sound fine, I'm also gonna knock his Defence up a little.


Only watched him with NT and some highlights with Celtic, but i remember well that he makes a lot of wrong passes, despite he can pass clever thought balls.. i guess that have to do with bad TW..
Agree for 78 ACC, RES and better DEF

About his TEC, he showed bad things and good things.. it's difficult to have a clear opinion.

EDIT: IMO his TEC is better than DA. Uses to trap the ball often, so he can have yellow value
Try to play with him ingame with:
DA: 79
DS: 82
TEC: 81
or other values with that order : DS > TEC > DA

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Re: Georgios SAMARAS

Postby kajoj20 » 2012 Jun 14, 16:59

Josh wrote:Gotta ask a question here, how many of you guys watch Samaras play for Celtic? He's disappointed me with his performances in the Euros, but he had a good season with Celtic. Nonetheless, 78 ACC and RES sound fine, I'm also gonna knock his Defence up a little.


I watched some his appearances in Celtic, too ;)
Nobody says he is a poor player, but some ideas crossed our minds after seeing him in NT and Celtic ;)

PS. I agree with above-mentioned suggestions (ACC, RES, higher DEF), but I didn't test DA: 79, DS: 82, TEC: 81 or other values with that order : DS > TEC > DA

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Re: Georgios SAMARAS

Postby JIN726 » 2012 Jun 17, 10:56

I doubt if he is this fast.I feel him quite slow this a few match.

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Re: Georgios SAMARAS

Postby čale » 2012 Jun 17, 11:02

exactly, he's by no means an yellow for ACC the default 77 look quite good tbh and i really never could've understood that ATT value, it just seems far to high for me.

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Re: Georgios SAMARAS

Postby stavrello7 » 2012 Jun 17, 12:42

Side: L

Attack: 81 -> 79
Defence: 39 -> 42
Balance: 83 -> 84 konami's default and i think it's better
Stamina: 81 -> 79/80?
Top Speed: 83 -> ok
Acceleration: 80 -> 77/78 not good for 80
Response: 80 -> don't deserve 80, imo 78
Agility: 72 -> ok
Dribble Accuracy: 83 -> should be lower, yes! with current values of DA an DS makes him quicker than reality, i have him with 80 combined with DS:81 and TEC: 82 after a lot of tests gives the right result.
Dribble Speed: 80 -> 81
Short Pass Accuracy: 75 ->
Short Pass Speed: 78 -> with what i have saw with Greece NT SPS:78 totally untrue, he has very slow short passes many times cuted from opponents. imo 71/72
Long Pass Accuracy: 71 ->
Long Pass Speed: 70 -> could be at 72
Shot Accuracy: 74 ->ok
Shot Power: 82 -> no more 80 for me
Shot Technique: 79 ->ok
Free Kick Accuracy: 68 ->ok
Curling: 72 ->ok
Header: 83 ->ok
Jump: 77 ->ok
Technique: 79 -> 82 as explained in DA
Aggression: 81 -> ok
Mentality: 77 ->ok
Teamwork: 71 ->ok

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Re: Georgios SAMARAS

Postby furymaker » 2012 Jun 17, 14:51

yesterday his form was red , showed amazing strength and pace , although Russians aren't good example to judge someone's strength , but yesterday's match was just form , he's not as good as people might think because of last game .

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Re: Georgios SAMARAS

Postby bitz » 2012 Jun 17, 16:57

I agree with stavrello's numbers. Balance could be 85.

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Re: Georgios SAMARAS

Postby FernandoA13 » 2012 Jun 25, 00:49

I agree i would also raise his balance, DA and TECH. IMO he deserves atleast TECH 83 but 84 would do him more justice. Isnt AGI a bit underrated? I think 74 is a more descent number. Last thing i would like to mention is that his SA could even be lower. He has a very bad finishing for a striker altough i can see that he is rated as SM. But i remmember him from his Heerenveen period altough this was a long time ago.

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Re: Georgios SAMARAS

Postby Josh » 2012 Jun 25, 01:16

Updated the set. @FernandoA13, I don't think his finishing is particularly bad. Ok, he hasn't scored much the last couple of seasons, but there have been reasons for that. I'd maybe drop his ST 2 or 3 points though.

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Re: Georgios SAMARAS

Postby FernandoA13 » 2012 Jun 25, 01:24

Okay which where the reasons? (not back talking, just curious). I still think DA (82/83) and TECH (83/84) should be higher. Wouldnt AGI 73/74 be more fair?

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Re: Georgios SAMARAS

Postby stavrello7 » 2012 Jun 25, 08:14

FernandoA13 wrote:Okay which where the reasons? (not back talking, just curious). I still think DA (82/83) and TECH (83/84) should be higher. Wouldnt AGI 73/74 be more fair?


try him with DA: 82 or more in your pes and will see it's totaly different from his playing style.. We should stop rate like this players.. DA it's totally different with what we use to know..
with DA over 80 he will keep close control more often.. and he will touch the ball more often.. (he never did!!)
Also DS should be higher than DA.

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Re: Georgios SAMARAS

Postby kajoj20 » 2012 Jun 25, 12:13

Actually, stavrello7 is right with this:

stavrello7 wrote:try him with DA: 82 or more in your pes and will see it's totaly different from his playing style.. We should stop rate like this players.. DA it's totally different with what we use to know..
with DA over 80 he will keep close control more often.. and he will touch the ball more often.. (he never did!!)
Also DS should be higher than DA.


He wrote it earlier, but somebody ignored it:
stavrello7 wrote:Dribble Accuracy: 83 -> should be lower, yes! with current values of DA an DS makes him quicker than reality, i have him with 80 combined with DS:81 and TEC: 82 after a lot of tests gives the right result.
Dribble Speed: 80 -> 81


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Re: Georgios SAMARAS

Postby Josh » 2012 Jun 25, 19:13

@FernandoA13 He was playing on the wing last season, and the season before he was out of form. I feel 74 is low enough for SA at the moment, and as I said before, ST could be dropped. I'm doing no more to the stats until the new season starts, I feel everyone is judging him from his NT games - I'm not saying anyone's wrong, I'm just asking for a bit of patience.

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Re: Georgios SAMARAS

Postby stavrello7 » 2012 Jun 25, 23:05

Josh wrote:@FernandoA13 He was playing on the wing last season, and the season before he was out of form. I feel 74 is low enough for SA at the moment, and as I said before, ST could be dropped. I'm doing no more to the stats until the new season starts, I feel everyone is judging him from his NT games - I'm not saying anyone's wrong, I'm just asking for a bit of patience.


Agree to wait until next season starts, but please keep some notes about his DA, DS
It's clearly that he should have better DS than DA and be sure that i'm not judging him only at EURO or only with NT
Also imo SA: 74 its fair enough (won't see him with green value), about ST could be 77

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Re: Georgios SAMARAS

Postby FernandoA13 » 2012 Jun 25, 23:47

Fair enough :)

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Re: Georgios SAMARAS

Postby MickKo7 » 2012 Aug 13, 01:11

i think he needs update in acc at least +3 and DA +2

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