To fix / Do poprawy

[buszmen]

Work in progress
CURL for CB - Mistrzu16 - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=26747&start=60#p453568
CURL for SB - Mistrzu16 - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=26747&start=60#p453912
MEN - buszmen
TECH - kajoj20 - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=26747&start=40#p450754
Player Growth - buszmen
Martek Price - buszmen - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=26747&start=40#p445928
Spring formations 2012/13 - buszmen

Done
FKA - buszmen - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=26727
RES for SB - buszmen - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=27094&start=20#p388089
Goalkeepers- kajoj20, Mistrzu16 - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=27242
LPA - kajoj20 - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=27242
SPA - kajoj20 - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=27242
ATT and DEF - kajoj20, Mistrzu16, buszmen - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=27242
Package for CB - kajoj20 - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=27242
Package for CF - kajoj20 - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=27242
Formations 2012/13 - buszmen
Form/Condition - buszmen viewtopic.php?f=23&t=28720
Package for SS - kajoj20 - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=27242
DEF for CB - buszmen viewtopic.php?f=23&t=27242&p=435847#p435834
STA for CB - buszmen viewtopic.php?f=23&t=27242#p435907
ATT/DEF Awerness - Mistrzu16
TECH for CB - kajoj20, buszmen - viewtopic.php?f=23&t=26747&p=454313#p454313

[buszmen]

One more thing.

Jędrzejczyk : TS (79/80) and DEF (72) - best SB in defence, who can play as CB (it is always higher DEF)
Pawelec, Jovanović - DEF (70) - for both it was poor round with some errors in defence

[kajoj20]

Have you changed your mind? The former suggestion was 73
PS None of them was updated...
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=27242#p435882

[buszmen]

Yes, if we consider new extended DEF ladder for CB with lower stats.

I read that Jędrzejczyk wants to become CB for constant so maybe his DEF in future will be even much higher.

[kajoj20]

Another thing:

Zgoda, u nas najlepsi pomocnicy zasługują na 84, najwyżej 86 (ale niby kto?), natomiast środkowi obrońcy w żadnym wypadku. Niby u nas sami pracusie, ale w konfrontacji z zagranicznymi zespołami często widać, jak oddychają rękawami. W przypadku środkowych obrońców na pewno to nie zaszkodzi, potem niektórych się indywidualnie poprawi (Danch i Dąbrowski na pewno zasługują na więcej niż 76).

Wawrzyniak, Saganowski, Broź, Stano - ktoś z nich byłby w topie. Gdyby pozostał w Ekstraklasie to dodałbym też Celebana.

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=26747#p430229

[buszmen]

As I wrote before all STA ladder need correction - same as BAL. TS looks very good to other league ladders (maybe SMF and SB need some reviewing). Also I dont like SP for GK's - but this is global overrating problem in PSD not only Eksraklasa.

SP fo GKs in PES 2013.
http://pesdb.net/pes2013/index.php?filt ... =d&page=30

Medium values are 78.. we even doesnt such have in our ladder (79 is lowest)

[buszmen]

As in all PSD same here in Ekstraklasa some player aspects are ignored. This are..

Growth type:
Market price:

Dribble Style:
Free Kick Style:
Penalty Kick Style:
Drop Kick Style:
Goal Celebration 1:
Goal Celebration 2:

IMO, it will be great thing to add those correct options - playing in league will be more realistic (prices and growth type) and each player with correct motion style will be more enjoyable to watch. Like example Kosecki who had salute goal celebration. What do you think about it ? It will not be difficult but it will take some time to add all this options to sets.

BTW creators of threads could add (Growth type: , Market price:, Goal Celebration 1:, Goal Celebration 2). Only motion style is mentioned for moderator.

[buszmen]

Market price for Ekstraklasa players based on transfermarkt.

4 - 2 500 001 € - 5 000 000 €
3 - 1 000 001 € - 2 500 00 €
2 - 500 000 € - 1 000 000 €
1 - others


2 - Matuesz Mak, Wróbel


2 - Nakoulma, Danch, Olkowski, Kwiek, Magiera


2 - Kupisz, Smolarek, Pazdan, Modelski, Plizga, Ukah, Pejović, Norambuena, Dzalamidze, Seratlić, Bandrowski, Grzyb


2 - Vuković, Lisowski, Jovanović, Korzym, Golański, P.Sobolewski


3 - Możdzeń, Murawski, Kamiński
2 - Henriquez, Wołąkiewicz, Tonev, Trałka, Arboleda, Burić, J.Wilk, Ubiparip, Lovrencsics


2 - Brożek, Janicki, Rasiak


4 - Wolski
3 - Radović, Kuciak, Vrdoljak, Kosecki, Żyro, Gol
2 - Suler, Wawrzyniak, Jędrzejczyk, Łukasik, Ljuboja, Kucharczyk, Żewłakow, Astiz, Rzeźniczak, Furman, Choto, Saganowski


2 - Jan Polak, Świerczok


2 - Pietrasiak, Demjan, Jeleń


2 - Hernani, Akahoshi


3 - Wszołek, Teodorczyk
2 - Dvalishvili, Cani, Pazio, Kiełb, Injac, Pawełek, Kokoszka, Brzyski, Szymanek, Morozov


2 - Sadlok, Skorupski, Piech, Jankowski, Straka, Kikut, Stawarczyk, Janoszka, Panka, Pesković


3 - Jodłowiec, Mila, Sobota, Kelemen, Kaźmierczak
2 - Elsner, Voskamp, Diaz, Grodzicki, Cetnarski, Socha, Ł.Gikiewicz, Patejuk, Pawelec, Ćwielong, Stevanović, Kowalczyk


2 - Stępiński, Alex Bruno, Rybicki, Mielcarz


3 - Małecki, Melikson, C.Wilk, Genkov, Chavez
2 - Jovanović, Głowacki, Jaliens, Bunoza, Czekaj, Pareiko, Garguła, Boguski, Sobolewski


2 - Pawłowski, Bilek, Jeż, Woźniak, Banaś, Vidanov, Papadopulos, Horvath, Nhamoinesu, Małkowski, Tunchev


In I liga only Ntibazonkiza (Cracovia) and Abbott (Zawisza) deserved price 2.

[buszmen]

So far I havent seen to much enthusiasm through no comments. Still some words about Growth type:. It is one big question mark for most, we didnt know exactly how looks growth curves for each of 255 types what PES 2013 contains.
Same as Price it is only usefull when playing Master League.

About 6 basic of Growth type

Standard - for generaly most of players
Std/Lasting - slower stats decrease, so player can play longer on high level - example Żewłakow, Baszczyński
Late paek - they reach maximum very late - for players discovered on late stage of career - example Patejuk
Late/Lasting - they reach maximum very late but with slower stats decrease can play longer - example Pareiko
Early peak - very fast growth when young then rapid stats decrease - for wasted talents - example Filip Burkhardt, Mąka
Early/Lasting - fast growth when young but slower stats decrease like in Early peak - example Korzym

Not to difficult, but knowladge is needed to corect updated Growth type in Ekstraklasa.

[kajoj20]

Mistrzu, please standardize CURL: 45 for the following GKs: Zukowski, Baran, Buchalik

[kajoj20]

What about a new shape for CURL ladder? The current one is overrated...
Values for majority of players:

GK: 45
CB: 50-65
SB: 65-70
DMF: 55-65
CMF: 65-70/2
WG: 65-75
SS: 65-75
CF: 65-70+

...but AMF (majority), SMF (not all) and CK/FK takers: 70 and up

What do you think??

[buszmen]

What about a new shape for CURL ladder? The current one is overrated...
Values for majority of players:

GK: 45
CB: 50-65
SB: 65-70
DMF: 55-65
CMF: 65-70/2
WG: 65-75
SS: 65-75
CF: 65-70+

...but AMF (majority), SMF (not all) and CK/FK takers: 70 and up

What do you think??

I have checked have KONAMI rates players with CURL with specific TECH and position and it is close for that you are proposing here (on pesdb.net)
So for example majority of our CB's had TECH 68-70 and KONAMI rates them with CURL 55-65 - with 60 as averange value.

I can only add that TECH for DMF's is overrated and we cannt base on it.

[Mistrzu16]

You are right buszmen, as you say we must first update TECH ladders, then we can make CURL.

[kajoj20]

True, I've analyzed Konami base at first and have looked here at other leagues then.
Yet, you didn't say whether it could be a step in the right direction or not...
To be precise, TECH ladder for CBs, SBs, DMFs and CMFs (especially at the top of ladder) is overrated and I know it. I started even fixing TECH two days ago, but I showed something more like ideas for a new CURL ladder because I didn't want to do it on my own and that's final...

[buszmen]

True, I've analyzed Konami base at first and have looked here at other leagues then.
Yet, you didn't say whether it could be a step in the right direction or not...
To be precise, TECH ladder for CBs, SBs, DMFs and CMFs (especially at the top of ladder) is overrated and I know it. I started even fixing TECH two days ago, but I showed something more like ideas for a new CURL ladder because I didn't want to do it on my own and that's final...

Propably making both ladder for TECH and CURL at the same time will be more effective. And off course videos from FKA thread could be very helpfull

[kajoj20]

Anyway, I can see Mistrzu is responsible for CURL

[buszmen]

First fast correction in mind, coz Im going out.. Jodłowiec (71) and Madera (70) much higher, both are good technically players. Grodzicki below averange (63) - very weak in this aspect. Also Wilusz could had 67

[buszmen]

BTW I'm thinking to do general update for Kowalczyk (half SB-CB) and Jodłowiec (half DMF-CB)

[kajoj20]

buszmen, what about your new MEN ladder? Even beta one...

PS no one concerns beta tech ladders... silence is golden?

[kajoj20]

Beta Package for DMFs - Changes in ladders (BAL, AGI, HEA, JUMP, TS, ACC, RES)

Spoiler: show

Balance:

85/86: Jodlowiec
84: Bajic, Lukasiewicz, Sobolewski
83: Bilek, G.Baran, Vrdoljak, Vukovic, Djurdevic, Giel, Dieme
82: Elsner, G. Nowak, Pietrowski, Sawala
81: A. Jurado, Rogalski, Injac, Lazdins
80: Ekwueme, Przybylski
79: Panka, Surma, Grzyb, Lukasik
78: Malinowski, C. Wilk
77: Rachwal, Bandrowski, Zganiacz, Piatek
76: Latka
75: Furman
73: Okachi

Agility:

84: Okachi
82: Zganiacz
81: Bandrowski
80:
79: Grzyb
78: Rachwal, Przybylski, Piatek, Furman
77: C. Wilk, Injac, Lukasik, Surma
76: Malinowski, Djurdevic, Latka
75: Bilek, Rogalski, Ekwueme, Vukovic
74: A.Jurado, Pietrowski
73: Sobolewski, Lazdins
72: Jodlowiec, Vrdoljak
71: Bajic, Panka, Elsner
70: G. Nowak, G. Baran, Sawala, Dieme
69: Giel

Header:

80: Jodlowiec
79: Elsner
78: Bilek, Vrdoljak, Sawala
77: Sobolewski, G. Baran, Lukasiewicz
76: Panka, Djurdevic
75: Przybylski, Injac, G. Nowak, Dieme
74: Vukovic, C. Wilk, Rogalski, Ekwueme, Pietrowski, Bajic
73: A. Jurado, Malinowski, Giel, Lukasik
72: Bandrowski
71: Latka, Surma
70: Piatek, Rachwal
69: Lazdins, Okachi, Furman
68: Grzyb
67: Zganiacz

Jump:

82: Okachi
81: Elsner
80: Jodlowiec, Bandrowski, C. Wilk
79: Przybylski, Grzyb, Piatek
78: Vrdoljak, Bilek, Panka, Injac, Sawala
77: Rogalski, Ekwueme, Vukovic, Djurdevic, Dieme
76: A. Jurado, G. Baran, Bajic, Sobolewski, Lukasiewicz, G. Nowak, Lukasik
75: Rachwal, Lazdins, Pietrowski
74: Latka, Furman, Malinowski
73: Surma, Giel
72: Zganiacz

Response:

78/79: Rachwal, Przybylski, Lukasiewicz
78: A. Jurado, Panka
77: Ekwueme, G. Nowak
76: Latka
75: Rogalski

Pietrowski 71 (SB remains) -> ??
C. Wilk -> IMO, the current PSD value - 81 is too high, default Konami value - 77 - seems to be too low... What about -> 79

Top Speed:

84: Okachi
79: Piatek
78: C. Wilk
77: Bandrowski, Zganiacz, Grzyb, Furman, Przybylski
76: Ekwueme, Injac, Lazdins, Pietrowski, Rachwal, Rogalski, Djurdevic, Latka, Jodlowiec
75: Bilek, Vrdoljak, Malinowski, Giel, Lukasik
74: Surma, A. Jurado, Panka, Vukovic, Lukasiewicz, Sawala
Sobolewski, Elsner
73: G. Nowak, Dieme, Bajic
72: Baran

Acceleration:

83: Okachi
80: Piatek
79: Zganiacz
78: Przybylski, Bandrowski
77: Surma, Djurdevic, Rachwal
76: C. Wilk, Malinowski, Injac, Lazdins
75: Jodlowiec, Vrdoljak, Rogalski, Grzyb, Vukovic, Pietrowski, Dieme, Lukasik, Sobolewski
74: Bilek, Ekwueme, Elsner, Lukasiewicz, Giel, Furman
73: A. Jurado, Panka, G. Nowak, Sawala
72: Bajic
71: Latka
70: G. Baran

Please look at them and share your ideas or doubts
The rest will be added soon when I copy them

[kajoj20]

Beta TECH ladder for CB, SB, DM, CM in one spoiler

Spoiler: show

CB for discussion:
73 Zewlakow
72 Kaminski, Suler
71 Danch, Jodlowiec
70 Sadlok, Madera
69 Baszczynski
68 ZBOZIEŃ, ABBES, ARBOLEDA, GRODZICKI, KIJANSKAS
67 Bunoza, Jaliens, Glowacki, Wilusz
66 PIETRASIAK, CHOTO, NOLL, HERNÂNI, BIENIUK, UKAH
65 Wolakiewicz, Czekaj, BANAS, Kokoszka, TUNCHEV, ASTIZ, WASILUK, LACIC
64 Cuerda, HORVÁTH, BĄK, DĄBROWSKI, STANO, MALARCZYK, PHIBEL
63 Grodzicki, Chavez, POLAK, KIERCZ, PAZDAN, PITER-BUČKO, STAWARCZYK
62 KLEPCZYŃSKI, KONIECZNY, MOROZOV, SHEVELYUKHIN, JANICKI, PORĘBSKI
61 BYRTEK, DANCIK
60

Other Ideas: Arbo, Pazdan - up? Grodzicki, Kijanskas - down?

SB for discussion:
77 HANZEL ??
76 Ceesay ??, TADROWSKI ??
75 HAYRAPETYAN, HENRÍQUEZ, DELEU, M. KACZMAREK, Piotr Brozek, S.Gancarczyk
74 Golanski, Pejovic, Norambuena, Brzyski
73 Burliga, Kielbowicz, Raul Gonzalez
72 KIKUT, OLEKSY, LISOWSKI
71 Wawrzyniak, PAZIO, BARTKOWSKI, BROŹ, Magiera, TODOROVSKI, JĘDRZEJCZYK, ČOTRA
70 Nhamoinesu, SPAHIC, LEWCZUK, VIDANOV, PIETRUSZKA, MODELSKI, SOKOLOWSKI, BEMBEN, SOCHA, El Mehdi SIDQY
69 RYMANIAK, HRICKO, DJOKIC, M. JOVANOVIĆ, SZYNDROWSKI, ANDRIUSKEVICIUS
68 KUZERA
67 Rzezniczak, Pawelec
66 Basta, Telichowski
65 Matras

Down:
Burliga? M. Jovanovic? Kowalczyk? Rymaniak? Szyndrowski? Djokic? (vide vs Lech, a lot of technical problems with operating the ball)
Kuzera - down, aggressive, but poor technique - even if he played as a SMF - it was rather forcibly...
PS Hemehaz from Panama has got - 73

DMF:
76 FURMAN, OKACHI
75 Alvaro Jurado
74 Bilek, Vukovic
73 INJAC, ÐURÐEVIĆ, VRDOLJAK, PRZYBYLSKI, ZGANIACZ, EKWUEME, GRZYB, BANDROWSKI, ŁUKASIEWICZ, ŁUKASIK, SOBOLEWSKI, Elsner
72 Panka, PIĄTEK, SURMA
71 C. WILK (Konami - 76 - wtf?),
70 Lazdins, ŁATKA, GIEL
69 MALINOWSKI, BAJIC, DIEMÉ
68 G.NOWAK, ROGALSKI, SAWALA
67 G. BARAN, Marcin PIETROWSKI
66 Jodlowiec

CMF
79 JEŽ
78 STEVANOVIC
77 KWIEK, MĄCZYŃSKI, AKAHOSHI
76 ANDREU Mayoral, WACŁAWCZYK, KAZMIERCZAK, R. MURAWSKI, ŁUCZAK, ŁAWA
75 BRUD, GOL, LINETTY, TRAŁKA, DUDEK, DREWNIAK
74 LENARTOWSKI, HANZEL, HOŁOTA, V. JOVANOVIC
73 RAKOWSKI, TYMIŃSKI, Piotr MROZINSKI, GOLLA
72 Paweł ZAWISTOWSKI, Straka, Nather
71 Paweł Lisowski, Bartosz Iwan
70 Bartoszewicz, Urban

1) Not sure who is technically better - Grzyb or Bandrowski?
2) What about Arboleda and Pazdan?

Please look at these CB, SB, DMF, CMF beta TECH ladders from here and the previous posts and give some prompts - share some ideas