Iván Helguera | 2000-2003 & 2006-2008

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Iván Helguera | 2000-2003 & 2006-2008

Postby Milanista_99 » 2009 Jun 30, 06:22

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Iván Helguera Bujía (born 28 March 1975 in Santander, Cantabria) is a Spanish football central defender or defensive midfielder, currently unattached.

Club career

Helguera started playing for local CD Manchego and Albacete Balompié, playing in 14 Segunda Division matches in 1996-97 for the latter.

He would be snapped by Serie A side A.S. Roma after that, but left after one disappointing campaign, joining RCD Espanyol, where his stellar performances led to a Real Madrid deal, even before 1998-99 had finished.

With Real Madrid, Helguera was an instant first-choice, and netted five and six league goals in his second and fourth campaigns, alternating between defender and midfielder. He was also instrumental in the capital side's two UEFA Champions League conquests.

Not an undisputed starter in his final two seasons, Helguera still managed 42 appearances combined (netting once, in a 3-1 win at Gimnàstic de Tarragona, on October 28, 2006). At the start of his last season, he was surprisingly stripped of his #6 jersey (which went to new signing Mahamadou Diarra), given #21 and made to train with the youth team, in anticipation of his leaving the club, even though his contract ended in June 2009. However, he later managed to fight his way back into the starting eleven, being somewhat influential in helping the club to the 2007 domestic league.

Subsequently, on July 20, 2007, Helguera signed for Valencia CF on a three-year contract. Upon joining, Helguera stated that he had wanted to come to Valencia for a "long time" and was "delighted" to arrive at the club. During his first season, he was relatively important, also helping the Che to the 2008 Spanish Cup. However, after having appeared very rarely in the first part of the second season, his contract was cancelled on December 12, 2008. Both FC Dinamo Bucharest and Los Angeles Galaxy declared interest in signing the player.

International career

For Spain, Helguera was capped 47 times, the first coming on November 18, 1998, in an away friendly with Italy (2-2).

He played for his country at Euro 2000, the 2002 FIFA World Cup and Euro 2004, missing the 2006 World Cup, after being omitted from the squad in the months before the tournament by national team coach Luis Aragonés.

Honours

• Spanish League: 2000-01, 2002-03, 2006-07
• Spanish Supercup: 2001, 2003
• UEFA Champions League: 1999-2000, 2001-02
• European Supercup: 2002
• Intercontinental Cup: 2002
• Spanish Cup: 2007-08

Career Statistics

• Manchego : 13 Apps, 2 Goal(s)
• Albacete : 14 Apps, 2 Goal(s)
• Roma : 8 Apps, 0 Goal(S)
• Espanyol: 37 Apps, 2 Goal(s)
• Real Madrid: 229 Apps, 18 Goal(s)
• Valencia: 25 Apps, 1 Goal(s)

• Spain : 47 Apps, 3 Goal(s)

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Re: Iván HELGUERA | 2002-2003

Postby Korinov » 2009 Jul 02, 14:21

Clubs: Real Madrid (2006 - 07) / Valencia CF (2007 - 08)

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Note: at Valencia he had shirt number 15.
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Re: Iván HELGUERA | 2002-2003

Postby Markulur » 2009 Jul 06, 22:51

Overrated!! He never was a world class striker... he only was playing with world class strikers that make him capable to win all this titles.
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Re: Iván HELGUERA | 2002-2003

Postby Uzair » 2009 Jul 06, 23:10

Markulur wrote:Overrated!! He never was a world class striker... he only was playing with world class strikers that make him capable to win all this titles.


you're right...he was a defender.....
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Re: Iván HELGUERA | 2002-2003

Postby Markulur » 2009 Jul 06, 23:13

Uzair wrote:
Markulur wrote:Overrated!! He never was a world class striker... he only was playing with world class strikers that make him capable to win all this titles.


you're right...he was a defender.....

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I don't know why I writed striker... I was thinking in the other window where I was seeing Morientes. DEFENDER, DEFENDER! Anyway, not that good. :mrgreen:

Overrated!! He never was a world class DEFENDER... he only was playing with world class PLAYERS that make him capable to win all this titles.
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Re: Iván HELGUERA | 2002-2003

Postby BECKS23LA » 2009 Jul 07, 13:00

Yes, overrated agree with Mark!
btw i'd give him Posit. *
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Re: Iván HELGUERA | 2002-2003

Postby p1rha » 2009 Sep 17, 02:15

He was not at real's level as a defender but he had above average technical skills for a CB, he could play in midfield, i think all technical skills could be raised a bit.
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Re: Iván HELGUERA | 2002-2003

Postby Fevernova » 2009 Sep 17, 14:08

He´s still a little bit overated...Except for attack, he was more attack-minded, I´d raise attack to 66-67. He scored an amazing amount of goals and could play CM...
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Re: Iván HELGUERA | 2002-2003

Postby Korinov » 2012 Feb 04, 11:36

Set could use a revamp, several stats need some tweaks, new format, etc. I've made two sets for him (2000 - 03 and 2006 - 08) in my personal thread, you can see them here. BTW, I think previous opinions in this thread are a bit harsh concerning Helguera... never was a world class defender but still a pretty competent and technically skilled CB who could also play as sweeper or in the midfield. And a true stronghold in the air (Konami kept giving him high yellow values for Jump even in his late years). The problem was pairing him with a late Hierro... two tall, strong and classy CBs but very slow and unagile. And he became a better defender later on, Capello had to resort to him in 2006 - 07 and did a pretty good job.

BTW this thread should be moved to the 00s section since he's been retired for years now.
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Re: Iván HELGUERA | 2002-2003

Postby jurgens » 2012 Feb 04, 11:51

This is one awful set... really.
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Re: Iván HELGUERA | 2002-2003

Postby Korinov » 2012 Feb 06, 21:56

Any thoughts on mine(s)? :)
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Re: Iván HELGUERA | 2002-2003

Postby jurgens » 2012 Feb 11, 18:06

looks pretty good, though I'm skeptical of his def/resp. I'll replace the first post with it. Though.. wasn't he really just a DMF? I rember he was only played at cb because of lack of other options. i always liked konamis set, cause it made him a decent dmf, but a poor cb.
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Re: Iván HELGUERA | 2002-2003

Postby Korinov » 2012 Feb 11, 18:45

For his early set it's actually difficult to say if he was a CB or a DMF... he played as CB, SWP and DMF whenever the situation demanded it... I'd even say his best performances came as sweeper when Del Bosque deployed his 5-2-3 formation. Now that you say it, I wouldn't have much trouble giving him SWP as main position for the early set and also downgrading DEF to 79 or so. I'm confident about the RES value though.

About the late set... I'd go for CB for that one. He settled in the defense with the years, actually did it pretty well when Capello decided to pair him with Cannavaro in his last Real season (he ended that season in great form after nearly leaving the club in the previous summer). In Valencia he again alternated between CB and DMF when needed. In any case Konami eventually noticed that he had become more a CB than a DMF in PES 2008, if I'm not mistaken (they gave him yellow DEF and such), in PES 6 he's still listed as DMF with green DEF.
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Re: Iván HELGUERA | 2002-2003

Postby Korinov » 2012 Apr 20, 21:07

Bumping this as a reminder, I'll update the first post tomorrow.
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Re: Iván HELGUERA | 2000-2003 & 2006-2008

Postby Xyder » 2012 Apr 21, 22:07

Excellent, if you ask me, you can even update him now.
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Re: Iván HELGUERA | 2000-2003 & 2006-2008

Postby Korinov » 2012 Apr 21, 22:33

I already updated him by lunchtime 8-)
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