Nelson Dida | 2003-2004

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Nelson Dida | 2003-2004

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 18, 15:36

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Arguably the best season of the towering Brazilian keeper, Dida made otherwordly saves and became the main protagonist of the 2003 CL final, saving 3 penalties.

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Re: Nelson DIDA | 2003/2004

Postby TheTrueSeto » 2008 Dec 19, 09:41

Shouldn't this be in Contemporary Players? ;)

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Re: Nelson DIDA | 2003/2004

Postby 78vm » 2008 Dec 19, 17:22

Lot of players are bad sorted - I think 00's are footballers, who yet had ended their career and their best stats are from a year up to 2000.
Contemporary ones are that, who could have also best career moments in 90s, but they are STILL ACTIVE - so Dida could be Contemporary (so please move from this section also for example Larsson or Ceni. ;)

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Re: Nelson DIDA | 2003/2004

Postby Zoo Zero » 2012 Feb 02, 20:50

Umm, I never really found what "goalkeeping skill" is based on but shouldn't 03/04 Dida have a higher value at that? He was considered one of the three or four best keepers at the time (I'd say the best myself, yes I found him even more impressive than Buffon of the same time period) but yup, a lot of that was based on his extremely quick reflexes which 96 response (Van der Vart, Nedved and di Vaio would probably agree!) represents well but really, he had pretty good sense of positioning, was an excellent penalty stopper, was incredible at saving shots and his aerial ability was also top notch, partly thanks to his height of course. And he was twice nominated for Ballon d'Or. Again I don't know, maybe the reason behind him reaching those heights are well-represented by other stats but 84 just seems too low for him at his prime. (before flare, after Leeds) 90-92 perhaps?

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Re: Nelson DIDA | 2003/2004

Postby bitz » 2012 Feb 03, 07:59

He is rated on the old standards where keepers got their Keeper Skills value based on style:
Those with the tendency to hold on to the ball got high value, those who tend to parry it more got lower values. I'm not sure if this is a correct standpoint though since you would expect someone with 98 Keeper skills to catch it all the time, in fact he will parry many balls even with that value. The game engine itself decides whether he will punch the ball or hold it, not the attribute Keeper Skills. It may have small impact but not more than 20%. So I prefer not to judge it based on style but rather on "safety" e.g someone with low value may parry it towards an opponent, that's not safe handling. Dida could push towards 90, he was pretty immense during that season.

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Re: Nelson DIDA | 2003/2004

Postby Fantasista » 2012 Feb 03, 08:17

Exactly. Current value would suit him for around 2005-07 when he was making silly mistakes and often couldn't manage with even quite simple balls.

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Re: Nelson DIDA | 2003/2004

Postby ingus » 2012 Feb 03, 09:13

bitz wrote:He is rated on the old standards where keepers got their Keeper Skills value based on style:
Those with the tendency to hold on to the ball got high value, those who tend to parry it more got lower values. I'm not sure if this is a correct standpoint though since you would expect someone with 98 Keeper skills to catch it all the time, in fact he will parry many balls even with that value. The game engine itself decides whether he will punch the ball or hold it, not the attribute Keeper Skills. It may have small impact but not more than 20%. So I prefer not to judge it based on style but rather on "safety" e.g someone with low value may parry it towards an opponent, that's not safe handling. Dida could push towards 90, he was pretty immense during that season.


Excellent post. I'll update it with an 89.

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Re: Nelson DIDA | 2003/2004

Postby vinnie » 2012 May 05, 05:13

interesting RES. It makes sense considering his DEF and GKS compared to other 98 RES goalies like JC or Kahn.

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Re: Nelson DIDA | 2003/2004

Postby ingus » 2012 May 05, 05:24

I'm not sure on it TBH. But in his prime Dida was a ridiculos capable keeper who just had a lot of blunders. Really his plus sides were huge... it's just that he had big downsides. But I'm not sure how this is represnted. I was thinking he does have great positioning so I was thinking red response, but then does that have to do with security? So I went lower def as he wasn't that secure.. and gave him an inflated response. But I'm really not sure, if KS is what reprsents security than hes fine with a much higher def and slightly lower resp.. I'd like to hear some opinions on this.

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Re: Nelson DIDA | 2003/2004

Postby vinnie » 2012 May 05, 05:47

DEF is supposed to be an overall factor, as preached from the holy bible of s-cobar on goalies. It is interesting, he says that included with DEF is how quickly, and well they can make a decision after they've reacted which is RES. Following this, the stats are very good and in order. Maybe 97 RES though, he was a BIG guy, and though he made monstrous saves, he doesn't have to go so far or react so fast as maybe smaller people like JC had to to cover the goal. I have to agree with you when you praise him, he was rated a bit unfairly in his prime due to some unfortunate gaffes, easily one of the top of his era. I think it's a pretty good update, maybe the small things will wiggle out after time.

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Re: Nelson DIDA | 2003/2004

Postby Korinov » 2012 May 05, 09:24

As far as I remember, his PES 5 and 6 versions portrayed him quite well ingame. I played a lot of games against Milan back then (one of my friends usually picked them) and Dida was capable, literally, of the best and the worst: incredible, jawdropping saves but also laughable mistakes and blunders (my friend ended up fielding Kalac out of despair sometimes).

PES 5 gave him 99 RES, 93 DEF and 85 GKS.

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Re: Nelson DIDA | 2003/2004

Postby milanillo » 2012 Aug 21, 06:08

in some years he was one of the best three goalkeeper in the world

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Re: Nelson DIDA | 2003/2004

Postby milanillo » 2012 Aug 21, 06:09

in some years he was one of the best three goalkeeper in the world

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Re: Nelson DIDA | 2003/2004

Postby milanillo » 2012 Sep 11, 06:51

He
saved penalties from David Trezeguet, Marcelo Zalayeta, and Paolo Montero as Milan won the shoot-out 3–2, and
the ensuing praise poured in from his
home country in addition to the Italian
media; he was labeled "Saint Dida" by
the Brazilian press, while Folha de São Paulo chipped in with the headline "Dida pushes Milan to the top of Europe."[12] In 2003, he became the first Brazilian keeper to be nominated
for the Ballon d'Or, which was won by Juventus rival Pavel Nedvěd.[13] Dida was nominated for the Serie A Goalkeeper of the Year award after conceding only 20 goals in 32
appearances during Milan's 2003–04 Scudetto-winning season.[14] Though Milan were eliminated in the
quarterfinals, one highlight of their 2003–04 Champions League run was during a group stage match against AFC Ajax on 16 September 2003, in which Dida blocked a Rafael van der Vaart point blank-range shot with less than a minute remaining in extra time to preserve Milan's 1–0 victory.[15]
his GK can be 89 - 90

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Re: Nelson DIDA | 2003/2004

Postby vinnie » 2012 Sep 11, 07:31

Nice biography, but no reason to increase GK in any of that. You should give credit to Wiki though, otherwise it's technically plagairisim.

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Re: Nelson DIDA | 2003/2004

Postby milanillo » 2012 Sep 12, 09:58

I wanted to say that this information from wiki put I forget . Dida when he came to milan was not that good keeper . In 1996 summer olymbic games he had done some mistakes . And in the early seasons with milan too . But after going back to brazil and returning to milan he became a good keeper . He could helping milan in many matches and became the first goalkeeper in brazil NT , and one of three goalkeepers in the world that time with boffun and cech . So he can get 90 in GK and 93 or 94 in AGI he depend on his agility alot he seems agile . I do not know why he get abet value in AG

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Re: Nelson DIDA | 2003/2004

Postby mohairan » 2013 Jan 13, 14:38

i'm not sure in some thing for dida
1.dida's agility is so better than cech
pesstatsdatabase.com/viewtopic.php?t=10158

2.dida and cech was good jumper,85 isn't enough
(dida and cech was tall that you think their jump is 85)

3.defense of dida is so better than frey ( just remember the dida and compare him with frey )
pesstatsdatabase.com/viewtopic.php?f=188&t=29000

4.balance is low
dida was best goalkeeper for keeping shoots in low altitudes( transfering body from high height to lawn needed very good flexibility )

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Re: Nelson DIDA | 2003/2004

Postby Korinov » 2013 Jan 13, 15:35

"Mentality for keepers is intelligence"? Please learn how keepers' stats work before making that kind of suggestions, thanks in advance.

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Re: Nelson DIDA | 2003/2004

Postby mohairan » 2013 Feb 23, 14:14

dear friend see the video of dida vs mihajlovic
and increase some dida's abilities
why agility is too low?



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