Roberto Carlos | 1997-2000 | 2002-2006

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Roberto Carlos | 1997-2000 | 2002-2006

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 12, 22:48

1997 - 2000

Club: Real Madrid



2002 - 2006

Club: Real Madrid




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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Ca ... tballer%29

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Ca ... bolista%29

http://www.robertocarlos.com.br/site/

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Re: Roberto CARLOS | 2000-2001

Postby Brezza » 2009 Sep 19, 15:44

Good update mate. Updated all into the first post except for top speed which could do with a bit more discussion ;)

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Re: Roberto CARLOS | 2000-2001

Postby Fevernova » 2009 Sep 19, 15:51

Yeah, he looks a lot better now. What a player!!

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Re: Roberto CARLOS | 2000-2001

Postby Vandeach » 2009 Sep 19, 15:55

The TS is too much Brezza, he may have run 100m in a faster time than Arjen Robben, but that doesn't necessarily equate to Bobby C having better speed stats, his speed as a full back, although lightening quick, was never quite god region. Also, look at his height and weight stats, they are both really quite low which will make him faster than taller players with the same value, I don't believe that his actual top speed was faster than Clichy, hell the current value puts him far too close to Agbonlahor too, consider Agbonlahor's height and weight also.

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Re: Roberto CARLOS | 2000-2001

Postby p1rha » 2009 Sep 19, 17:00

Brezza wrote:Good update mate. Updated all into the first post except for top speed which could do with a bit more discussion ;)


I still think he's way too fast, even Vandeach numbers seemed a bit high to me, mainly DS. I usually play with Brazil 2002 and he is so much better than Cafu, wich isn't necessarly true.

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Re: Roberto CARLOS | 2000-2001

Postby Fevernova » 2009 Sep 19, 17:28

p1rha wrote:
Brezza wrote:Good update mate. Updated all into the first post except for top speed which could do with a bit more discussion ;)


I still think he's way too fast, even Vandeach numbers seemed a bit high to me, mainly DS. I usually play with Brazil 2002 and he is so much better than Cafu, wich isn't necessarly true.


P1rha, do U have anything against Roberto Carlos? :?

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Re: Roberto CARLOS | 2000-2001

Postby p1rha » 2009 Sep 19, 17:53

No, i'm just trying to contribute in something that is urging, that is correcting some extremely overated classic players.
In fact i like RC very much but i don't think he was the best SB i saw playing, he was just the first "clearly more ofensive than defensive" SB i saw playing (and probably most of u as well), but that doesn't make him the best. Put it this way, if i was a manager and my game model used wingers i wouldn't want RC has my LB, i'd prefer someone more defensive, yet that doesn't mean i don't like him, not at all.

And i am totally convinced that he benefited from media hype because of those two "impossible" goals. Imo Konami overated his stats because he was a Real Madrid player, World Champion and everyone likes him, he seems to be a very nice person. I think (as it already became clear :P ) ur doing the same. U remember what it was like playing pes 3 with roberto carlos, it wasn't real!
Like i said, and this is my main argument, i don't want to be playing with CRx on the same wing as roberto carlos, and see him being beaten on speed with ease.

And i don't believe he could run faster than robben, my comon sense tells me: how many 1,68 guys have u seen on 100, 200 or 400 olimpic races? But that's not really relevant anyway, being able to run faster doesn't mean u r faster on the pitch.

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Re: Roberto CARLOS | 2000-2001

Postby sencesor » 2009 Sep 19, 18:07

DF 61 ?!? :lol: Guy's I think you got preaty overboard there, :D he wasn't that bad! 65 is already an exteamly low value, much lower than any warld class SB's, & any class SB's for that matter...

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Re: Roberto CARLOS | 2000-2001

Postby p1rha » 2009 Sep 19, 18:18

sencesor wrote:DF 61 ?!? :lol: Guy's I think you got preaty overboard there, :D he wasn't that bad! 65 is already an exteamly low value, much lower than any warld class SB's, & any class SB's for that matter...


I agree on that, judging by the standarts of PSD 61 is extremely low, i'm ok with 65.

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Re: Roberto CARLOS | 2000-2001

Postby Fevernova » 2009 Sep 19, 18:47

Opsss, I missed that, true, 61 is harsh, he wasn´t much of a defender, but even some MF have much higher DF values, I´d say 64-65... ;)

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Re: Roberto CARLOS | 2000-2001

Postby Vandeach » 2009 Sep 19, 19:05

A 65 is decent value, it puts him on par with guys like Kevin Kilbane and only a few behind Bosingwa, it was his decent response and speed which saved him, he's still a decent defender with these stats, don't think the defence stat is the only thing that makes him an OK defender.

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Re: Roberto CARLOS | 2000-2001

Postby p1rha » 2009 Sep 19, 21:02

RC has been beaten by Bernard Mendy :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBoWBCaJ ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE7b63NR ... re=related

but he can still be fast (against the turkish)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1KTTGVE ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvHxJlRm ... re=related

But i just have to ask 1 more time and then i'll shut: do u guys really think he was faster (top speed) than Robben or Ronaldo?

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Re: Roberto CARLOS | 2000-2001

Postby lfc 4 eva » 2009 Sep 19, 21:13

He was past his prime when Mendy beat him. And Mendy is hardly slow either is he!

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Re: Roberto CARLOS | 2000-2001

Postby Oriello » 2009 Sep 20, 03:19

I too think his speed in his prime was this good, and at full tilt I think he was faster than Clichy (93).

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Re: Roberto CARLOS | 2000-2001

Postby Vandeach » 2009 Sep 20, 07:13

Clichy is 182cm and 72kg, look at Carlos' height and weight in comparison. Even with a 93 he will still be quicker at full pace than Clichy.

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Re: Roberto CARLOS | 2000-2001

Postby sencesor » 2009 Sep 20, 08:19

p1rha wrote:
But i just have to ask 1 more time and then i'll shut: do u guys really think he was faster (top speed) than Robben or Ronaldo?


Yes. :P

Slower ACC but higher TS imo. speed stats are fine now imho, in his prime he was DAMN! fast, & the thought of him catching up with Robben & Ronaldo really doesn't struck me as farfetched. :)

Another point though, I don't think we should remove *MS, regularly he used to blast his shots, he did have an amazing curl with his outside, but he used it mostly in free kicks, which most of the time, blast those as-well. :D

& just to straight the record right - *MS doesn't TOTALY kill's curl!
I used to play with Eusebio a lot, with SP 98 and CURL 86 (- Before it was rightfully lowered), and *MS, and he still had a decent curl to it, & RC will also have it - primarily can be used in free kicks - with his SP 98 & CURL 96 - you could choose what kind of free kick to take with him, like he did.

Long story short - he did blast most of his shots, despite his excellent curl ability. to me *MS to RC is a given.

Excellent discussing going on here btw.

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Re: Roberto CARLOS | 2000-2001

Postby Vandeach » 2009 Sep 20, 08:57

I was debating giving it to him, as I know he did tend to blast a lot of his shots, but *MS generally means dead straight shots with little curl, though given the fact that it would make Carlos shoot more often, I wouldn't complain if it was added as optional.

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Re: Roberto CARLOS | 2000-2001

Postby Uzair » 2009 Oct 24, 19:43

didn't i make these stats? it's got the same pic i found as well.

also, SP 99 maybe? adriano is on 99. don't think he hit it harder than roberto

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Re: Roberto CARLOS | 2000-2001

Postby Oriello » 2009 Oct 24, 19:57

Uzair wrote:didn't i make these stats? it's got the same pic i found as well.

I think you did, as I remember putting your name in there when I reposted it, but the first post has under gone a cosmetic change as well notice it says 'form' instead of 'consistency' and his positions have been bolded and coloured blue - I never did that i the repost. I am guessing whoever did the touch ups added that the stats are by Vandeach now.. :?

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Re: Roberto CARLOS | 2000-2001

Postby Alcohomicide » 2009 Dec 24, 17:19

Okay, tested him and shot power is too much. I don't care what Adriano's on, I just smashed a Freekick from almost half-way - the keeper didn't move, it smashed the bar and rebounded almost out of the stadium, haha!! I also don't think he hits it so much harder than Rivaldo (90) each red point is 2-3 yellows. So he's at least around 15-16 harder and also about 8 harder than Alex and Taiwo who I feel he should be level with. (Although because it's Roberto Carlos 96 wouldn't be too awful.) 'cause right now it's like a sped up cartoon and just doesn't reflect him.

I know he he hit it harder than most, I enjoyed many years of watching him do so but I seriously think that he has too much SP and too much curl. His banana shot freekicks are ruined because they curl too much into the keepers hands unless you aim absolutely miles away from goal. I think orange would be better for curl. Also definitely remove reaction and middle shoot as he plays more realistically with the AI and human without them. (Middle shoot shots as we know are too straight and although a tendency star he still shoots without it. If you are keeping it though then maybe 97 curl isn't so bad. But without it? Too much)

LPS is also too high. Yes, his crosses had amazing whip, but these are too fast and deadly and again I think they're more realistic with orange. I think the era can be expanded to 1998-2002 and maybe his stamina can be upped to 95 as he was absolutely tireless going forward and I think just above Clichy and no worse than Zambrotta.

Can someone else test him with acceleration 90 and tell me if he feels more realistic? I just think he gets to his top speed a bit too quickly, his first few strides from my memory it was like he was charging up, so he was very quick but he would get faster and faster. I think he's he's getting there too quickly.

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Re: Roberto CARLOS | 2000-2001

Postby BigStu » 2009 Dec 24, 17:23

Not sure about SP being any lower than 96, and could ST be higher, some of the shots he could pull off were on a another planet, the 'impossible' goal for example

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