Ronaldinho | 2001-2003 | 2003-2006 | 2008-2010

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Ronaldinho | 2001-2003 | 2003-2006 | 2008-2010

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 12, 21:52

2001-2003

Nickname: "Dinho" | *El Mago de Porto Alegre* | *O Rei* | "Ronnie"

Club: Paris Saint-Germain



Growth type: Early/Lasting

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2003-2006

Nickname: "Dinho" | *El Mago de Porto Alegre* | *O Rei* | "Ronnie"

Club: FC Barcelona



Growth type: Early/Lasting

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2008-2010

Nickname: "Dinho" | *El Mago de Porto Alegre* | *O Rei* | "Ronnie"

Club: AC Milan



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2011-2013

Nickname: "Dinho" | *El Mago de Porto Alegre* | *O Rei* | "Ronnie"

Club: Atletico Mineiro



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Re: RONALDINHO | 2003-2006 & 2000-2002 & 2008-2010

Postby bssm » 2011 Sep 13, 18:18

Just wondering what the arguments are for raising FKA, as there seems to be a lack going back through the posts.

He is already overated at 92 FKA imo, he was very good no doubt but nothing exceptional i wouldn't say he was any better then Sneijder especially considering the higher Curve and Shot accuracy.

In regards to free kick i think his shot power should stay at 87, as his free kick style is much more difficult to get any decent amount of power on then any other style. Even with 87 its a struggle to get a good amount of power at 25m+.

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Re: RONALDINHO | 2003-2006 & 2000-2002 & 2008-2010

Postby Brezza » 2011 Sep 13, 18:37

^ didn't you also raise a good argument about actually lowering his DS before the site was hacked bssm?

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Re: RONALDINHO | 2003-2006 & 2000-2002 & 2008-2010

Postby Fantasista » 2011 Sep 13, 20:52

bssm wrote:Just wondering what the arguments are for raising FKA, as there seems to be a lack going back through the posts.

He is already overated at 92 FKA imo, he was very good no doubt but nothing exceptional i wouldn't say he was any better then Sneijder especially considering the higher Curve and Shot accuracy.

In regards to free kick i think his shot power should stay at 87, as his free kick style is much more difficult to get any decent amount of power on then any other style. Even with 87 its a struggle to get a good amount of power at 25m+.

I suggested to increase fka a bit to compensate curling decrease cause he was amazing set piece taker but maybe it will be fine with lower curve and current fka value. I'm strongly for 86 sp. He couldn't smash the ball as hard as Figo for instance(btw the potugese has lower st which also affect sp). And his free kicks were based on amazing swerve and accuracy, their power were quite good but nothing special really, most of his free kicks goals were from less than 25 m. He was best in very close free kicks(about 20 m and less) were precision and technique is needed mostly.

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Re: RONALDINHO | 2003-2006 & 2000-2002 & 2008-2010

Postby jurgens » 2011 Sep 27, 09:49



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Re: RONALDINHO | 2003-2006 & 2000-2002 & 2008-2010

Postby Fantasista » 2011 Sep 27, 19:25

That's confirmation of my thesis. Even his free kicks from longer distance were based on fantastic accuracy and curve. However a few(and they were usually from shorter range) were on level of 87 sp but most of them were significantly weaker than that.

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Re: RONALDINHO | 2003-2006 & 2000-2002 & 2008-2010

Postby bssm » 2011 Oct 12, 22:40

2003-2006 short pass really needs a raise this set rates him as a worse short passer then Fabregas and pretty much at Iniesta's level. Fabregas has never been or never probably will be as good at the short pass as Ronaldinho at Barca. Ronaldinho's passing was more inventive, consistently more difficult to pull off and he set himself up far less then Fabregas.

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Re: RONALDINHO | 2003-2006 & 2000-2002 & 2008-2010

Postby jurgens » 2011 Oct 12, 22:54

Yeah I fully agree, but can we decide on a value? Personally I find 94, even 95 fine. But I suppose most would want 93. Decide on a final value and I'll update it asap.

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Re: RONALDINHO | 2003-2006 & 2000-2002 & 2008-2010

Postby bssm » 2011 Oct 13, 02:36

94 not quite god level or riquelme

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Re: RONALDINHO | 2003-2006 & 2000-2002 & 2008-2010

Postby RoOney Sweet » 2011 Oct 13, 09:32

ronaldinho is legend

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Re: RONALDINHO | 2003-2006 & 2000-2002 & 2008-2010

Postby Fantasista » 2011 Oct 13, 10:19

jurgens wrote:Yeah I fully agree, but can we decide on a value? Personally I find 94, even 95 fine. But I suppose most would want 93. Decide on a final value and I'll update it asap.

You decided by yourself and increased his sps from 87 to 89 while nobody has suggested any changes in this skill. Why(despite if he deserves it)?

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Re: RONALDINHO | 2003-2006 & 2000-2002 & 2008-2010

Postby jurgens » 2011 Oct 13, 18:21

Gave him a slight overhaul.

Stamina drop one point, he was pretty active back in these days. Maybe it's only the handful of matches I watched to review, but he looked very fresh towards the end despite running quite a lot. Probably can come down further, but I'm hesitant to do it based on just "isn't that too high?". Raised SPA to 94. Also increase sps by two. Ronaldinho never failed to make deep passes when they presented themselves, and was never a player who'd fail at a pass due to lack of power in diffult circumstance. There was really little or no change in his passing speeds from his time in AC milan. Speed needs to come down, I'd say 87 is a fine value, possibly a point lower.


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jurgens wrote:Yeah I fully agree, but can we decide on a value? Personally I find 94, even 95 fine. But I suppose most would want 93. Decide on a final value and I'll update it asap.

You decided by yourself and increased his sps from 87 to 89 while nobody has suggested any changes in this skill. Why(despite if he deserves it)?


No. I asked bssm to decide on a value, he did, and considring myself mr.evans gugu and bssm have all agreed upon 94 I've updated it. And iirc, Brezza also agreed to a 94 for DInho, one above Zidane, in Zidanes thread.

Why(despite if he deserves it)?


I've updated it because it's a necessary change. It takes too long to get anything done around here waiting for discussion. If I'm sure on a value, I'll update it. I have the ability to do this, because I am trusted to do a goodjob and if I do a bad job, I'm fully open to revert any changes I make. It's a lot quicker to get things done, and if people have problems, bring them up afterwards.

Something that needs to be addressed is his WFA/WFF, which was carefully analysed during his milan days by zuo and changed. His accuracy was always good when he used it, probably not a 7 though. And his frequency was not a 6. I'd propose changing to the wfa/wff stats from his Milan era.

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Re: RONALDINHO | 2003-2006 & 2000-2002 & 2008-2010

Postby jurgens » 2011 Nov 10, 21:17

Updating to WFA 6 and WFF 5 as stated above, any problem with that? Would also like to take down his teamwork a good few points. He really doesn't need a value anywhere near this. A value around high greens or low 80's would be a lot more suited to his playstyle.

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Re: RONALDINHO | 2003-2006 & 2000-2002 & 2008-2010

Postby 21fadhil » 2011 Nov 10, 22:14

I saw Ronaldinho has a good link-up, but no need to sit on 86, like you said.From ladderwise, he's should be sit on 81/82.

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Re: RONALDINHO | 2003-2006 & 2000-2002 & 2008-2010

Postby jurgens » 2011 Nov 10, 22:53

The thing is Ronaldinho was the type to really stay on the ball a long time, constantly trying to beat people and doing tricks etc. Such a high teamwork value is gonna take away from his individuality.

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Re: RONALDINHO | 2003-2006 & 2000-2002 & 2008-2010

Postby Korinov » 2011 Nov 11, 00:22

I'd leave it at 80, and accordingly Djalminha should get a downgrade as well.

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Re: RONALDINHO | 2003-2006 & 2000-2002 & 2008-2010

Postby Yazid » 2011 Dec 10, 18:43

Balance could be higher, I remember his goal against chelsea where he shrugged Terry aside like nothing.

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Re: RONALDINHO | 2003-2006 & 2000-2002 & 2008-2010

Postby Argonath » 2012 Feb 02, 00:24

the prime ronaldinho is better in game that classic maradona.. with his stats BAL, TS, ACC, AGI, DA, DS and TEC it's hardest to take off the ball from ronaldinho that maradona.. i'm not suggestin anythig, just i think that's not realistic..
i mean, he is the perfect trickster, but i think that is even more difficult to take off the ball from messi that from him.. messi's style is more effective, ronaldinho's is prettier..
i think something has to change, but i don't know what, i'd leave that to the most experienced ones :D
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Re: RONALDINHO | 2003-2006 & 2000-2002 & 2008-2010

Postby Sui Generis » 2012 Mar 02, 08:56

Seriously wtf is this??? Prime Ronnie is HIDIOUSLY overrated whoever is in charge of his stats needs to pass on the reigns, your done homie, you have disgraced this board, and are ruining one of the best footballers ever. Seriously somebody fix these atrocious stats.

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Re: RONALDINHO | 2003-2006 & 2000-2002 & 2008-2010

Postby Fantasista » 2012 Mar 02, 10:21

Well... this post seems like big big cry of an unhappy child so could you develop your thoughts? I mean where exactly do you think he's overrated and why do you think that? It'd be nice to see some arguments proving your (hipo)thesis.

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Re: RONALDINHO | 2003-2006 & 2000-2002 & 2008-2010

Postby jurgens » 2012 Mar 02, 15:13

Sui Generis wrote:Seriously wtf is this??? Prime Ronnie is HIDIOUSLY overrated whoever is in charge of his stats needs to pass on the reigns, your done homie, you have disgraced this board, and are ruining one of the best footballers ever. Seriously somebody fix these atrocious stats.


Oh come on man... youre a good poster and a smart guy, you should know how we work. Please give some idea of what is "atrocious" and needs to be fixed.

Btw only thing I see needs changing is... as I said before, since his SPA was not the foreground of his game we could take him down slightly. Also, attack is debatable between a 93/95.

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