Santiago Solari | 2001-2002

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Santiago Solari | 2001-2002

Postby PES Stats Database » 2009 Aug 18, 15:37

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Club: Real Madrid / Inter Milan



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Santiago Hernán Solari Poggio (born 7 October 1976) is an Argentine retired professional footballer who played mostly as a left midfielder.
He spent the better of his 15-year career in Spain, amassing La Liga totals of 177 games and 17 goals, mainly in representation of Real Madrid, but also competed in Italy with Inter Milan, winning 13 major titles between both teams combined.

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Re: Santiago SOLARI | 2001-2002

Postby Jez » 2009 Aug 19, 23:11

why the high stamina?
just curious :P

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Re: Santiago SOLARI | 2001-2002

Postby Fevernova » 2009 Aug 20, 13:47

jez wrote:why the high stamina?
just curious :P


Don´t you agree with 90 for a guy who use to use to run from back to back, besides , the current Solari is in his late 80´s, so... ;)

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Re: Santiago SOLARI | 2001-2002

Postby Sekularac » 2009 Aug 20, 15:09

I don't have a problem with his high stamina, but with so low HEADER. 68 is quite underrating for player who scored some fine headers. I'd say something about 75-76 would be ok. ;)

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Re: Santiago SOLARI | 2001-2002

Postby Fevernova » 2009 Aug 20, 17:08

Sekularac wrote:I don't have a problem with his high stamina, but with so low HEADER. 68 is quite underrating for player who scored some fine headers. I'd say something about 75-76 would be ok. ;)


I was taught to respect the ladders, classics-moderns balance and stuff. So, if the cureent Solari it's 65-68, I don't think the classic Solari should have green numbers...

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Re: Santiago SOLARI | 2001-2002

Postby Jez » 2009 Aug 20, 19:21

Fevernova wrote:
jez wrote:why the high stamina?
just curious :P


Don´t you agree with 90 for a guy who use to use to run from back to back, besides , the current Solari is in his late 80´s, so... ;)


his mentality and aggression don't suggest he was so 'active' in games though
maybe they should be raised? i'm not sure though, i don't know a lot about him if truth be told

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Re: Santiago SOLARI | 2001-2002

Postby Fevernova » 2009 Aug 21, 13:08

jez wrote:his mentality and aggression don't suggest he was so 'active' in games though
maybe they should be raised? i'm not sure though, i don't know a lot about him if truth be told


Well, jez, that´s another story, Mentality and aggression are values than can vary a lot. I think that it´d be fair to listen to some suggestions...

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Re: Santiago SOLARI | 2001-2002

Postby Tom » 2009 Aug 21, 14:52

Fevernova wrote:Attack: 83
......
Shot Technique: 87
......
*Middle Shooting


A bit over the top, don't you think?

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Re: Santiago SOLARI | 2001-2002

Postby Fevernova » 2009 Aug 21, 14:58

GoonerLover66 wrote:
Fevernova wrote:Attack: 83
......
Shot Technique: 87
......
*Middle Shooting


A bit over the top, don't you think?


Don't you think he diserves *middle shooting? And people, please, if U want ro make a suggestion, please do so, but with concret requests, for example:

Attack: 83
......
Shot Technique: 87
......
*Middle Shooting[/quote]

A bit over the top, don't you think?

and then...

I'd suggest>

Attack: X

Shot technique: X

*Middle Shooting: "Remove or Remain"


See? ;)

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Re: Santiago SOLARI | 2001-2002

Postby Tom » 2009 Aug 21, 15:23

I know how to reason and it's all well and good educating me on how to suggest values, but wouldn't it be easier if you gave realistic values in the first place? Well, I'll go for your approach:

A value of 87 in Solari's Shot Technique will make him strike the ball cleanly and with a better connection than most strikers and all midfielders, and that's simply incorrect. Moreover, it makes him a more potent player when it comes to shooting and considering he accumulated 5 goals in all competitions in the 2001/2002 season and only 1 of them in the league. It's an absolutely ridiculous value when you think about it.

An 83 for Attack makes him incredibly adapt when it comes to his attacking positional sense and off-the-ball movement and, in culmination with his Team Work, will get him into lots of goal-scoring positions which in turn will make him more of a threat in front of goal. Again, he accumulated 5 goals in all competitions in the 2001/2002 season and only 1 of them in the league. It's over the top. And, again, it puts him above most other midfielders in this department and that simply isn't true - although he did score some poacher-esque goals.

I don't believe that he warrants the Middle Shooting star as the goals that he scored "from distance" were actually just outside the opposition's box. Hardly from distance, is it? Moreover, his goals from that range had a good level of curl and, as you know, the inclusion of the Middle Shooting star diminishes the level of curl that a player has on his shots from long range and makes the shot laser-straight (like Denis Kolodin).

Moreover, Solari warrants a higher Jump value as on the rare occasions that he did score a header, he could get a decent height on his leaps. Having said that, he certainly warranted a higher Header value than a 68, particularly when you consider the accuracy and power behind his defensive and attacking headers.

And, in culmination with the removal of the Middle Shooting, Solari most definitely warrants a higher Curling value.

How's that for reasoning? :roll:

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Re: Santiago SOLARI | 2001-2002

Postby Fevernova » 2009 Aug 21, 16:02

GoonerLover66 wrote:I know how to reason and it's all well and good educating me on how to suggest values, but wouldn't it be easier if you gave realistic values in the first place? Well, I'll go for your approach:


How's that for reasoning? :roll:


Well, I don´t know if it´s hot in Billericay, WOW! haha... :)

Anyway, I didn´t want to lecture you in how to suggest stats, after all you´ve been here longer than me and you´ve posted more than me, and also when you´re a mod, that means something, right? All I´m saying is, you don´t just say, "Hey, you're over the top", and then shut, 'cuz that doesn't say much, right? If you disagree with me, or my values, I need to know what´s on your mind so we can find a common ground, don´t U think? ;)

Well, starting with the *middle shooting star, I can agree with you in removing it...

Attack: 83, maybe u´re right, considering Leo Messi has that same value and is a SS. I think 79-80 it´s OK.

Shot technique: Sorry, I think it´s quite accurate at 87, he scored beautiful goals and his ideas were simply great when it comes to hitting the ball, you can´t messure a player´s striking abilities by his goal records.

Header: I suggest a raise, but not late green numbers, or early yellows. I´d say something like 75-76. OK?




Now, that´s reasoning.

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Re: Santiago SOLARI | 2001-2002

Postby blumbas » 2012 Dec 30, 21:55

Could someone update this set with new standars?
He was good player at Real Madrid, important player in Del Bosque team.
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Re: Santiago SOLARI | 2001-2002

Postby Fantasista » 2013 Apr 10, 19:08

Well as far as I'm concerned we need completely new set for him. I'd be glad to help here :)

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Re: Santiago SOLARI | 2001-2002

Postby jurgens » 2013 Apr 10, 19:45

What I've got on my 2005 inter team

I think that first set isn't bad, konami always had a pretty good view on him

Name: SOLARI

Club: ?
Number: ?
Position: SMF*, AMF, CF, CB
Nationality: Argentine _arg
Age: 31 (xx-yy-1982)

Foot: L
Side: B

Length: 180
Weight: 75

Attack: 82
Defence: 54
Balance: 76
Stamina: 82
Top Speed: 76
Acceleration: 82
Response: 78
Agility: 82
Dribble Accuracy: 89
Dribble Speed: 77
Short Pass Accuracy: 75
Short Pass Speed: 76
Long Pass Accuracy: 77
Long Pass Speed: 81
Shot Accuracy: 78
Shot Power: 83
Shot Technique: 84
Free Kick Accuracy: 73
Curling: 72
Header: 68
Jump: 67
Technique: 85
Aggression: 80
Mentality: 68
Keeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 80

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition/Fitness: 5
Weak Foot Accuracy: 4
Weak Foot Frequency: 4

P05 - Mazing Run

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Re: Santiago SOLARI | 2001-2002

Postby Fantasista » 2013 Apr 10, 19:50

jurgens wrote:What I've got on my 2005 inter team

I think that first set isn't bad, konami always had a pretty good view on him

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Name: SOLARI

Club: ?
Number: ?
Position: SMF*, AMF, CF, CB
Nationality: Argentine _arg
Age: 31 (xx-yy-1982)

Foot: L
Side: B

Length: 180
Weight: 75

Attack: 82
Defence: 54
Balance: 76
Stamina: 82
Top Speed: 76
Acceleration: 82
Response: 78
Agility: 82
Dribble Accuracy: 89
Dribble Speed: 77
Short Pass Accuracy: 75
Short Pass Speed: 76
Long Pass Accuracy: 77
Long Pass Speed: 81
Shot Accuracy: 78
Shot Power: 83
Shot Technique: 84
Free Kick Accuracy: 73
Curling: 72
Header: 68
Jump: 67
Technique: 85
Aggression: 80
Mentality: 68
Keeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 80

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition/Fitness: 5
Weak Foot Accuracy: 4
Weak Foot Frequency: 4

P05 - Mazing Run


Don't remember him much from Inter times, I believe he was rather a sub than a first squad man ;). Anyway I always had impression he was a better passer than that and I doubt he lost his abilities here. Besides passing values I can't have any more objections for this set.

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Re: Santiago Solari | 2001-2002

Postby Adrien » 2013 Apr 26, 09:58

Moved to the board, added pictures, info, etc...

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Re: Santiago Solari | 2001-2002

Postby Fantasista » 2013 May 06, 09:40

Why you've replaced 01/02 set when he played in Real with Inters one(05-07)?

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Re: Santiago Solari | 2001-2002

Postby stewie3 » 2014 Feb 16, 12:52

Centre back?

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