Rui Costa | 2000-2001 & 2003-2004 & 2007-2008

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Rui Costa | 2000-2001 & 2003-2004 & 2007-2008

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 12, 02:40

Credits: Base Set By Uzair Update by JMVP

Nickname: *The Maestro*

Club: ACF Fiorentina



Growth Type: Standard/Lasting

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What can one say that has not already been said of Rui Manuel Cesar Costa, often referred to simply as The Maestro. The midfielder will always be remembered as one of Portugal’s greatest players of all time, and a true world-class performer.

Rui Costa’s ability to provide lethal and accurate passes at any given moment, and envision the game like so few can, have made him a player that fans around the world have marvelled at. It came as no surprise when the player was handpicked by the greatest of them all, Pele, as one of FIFA’s 100 greatest living footballers in 2004.

It would be in Serie A that Rui Costa truly captured the world’s attention. During his seven-year tenure the player formed a devastating partnership with Argentinean striker, Gabriel Batistuta, propelling the club to two Italian Cups and an Italian Supercup. Costa scored 40 goals in 204 appearances for the club.

Again Costa saw a club he had given so much to hit with chronic financial problems. Fiorentina filed for bankruptcy and was forced to sell the dazzling midfielder to Serie A rivals AC Milan for a record Italian transfer fee of 38 million euros in 2001...



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ADDITIONAL LINKS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rui_Costa

http://golgolgolgolgol.blogspot.com/2007_05_01_archive.html

http://www.portugoal.net/index.php/player-profiles/119-players-a-c/119-player-profile-rui-costa

http://pfutebol.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=5073

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Re: RUI COSTA | 2000-2001 & 2003-2004

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Re: RUI COSTA | 2000-2001 & 2003-2004

Postby JMVP » 2011 May 13, 17:47

He was faster and weaker at Fiorentina, and probably the best deliver of a final ball in the whole world or any through pass for that matter. Batistuta was a great player, arguably the best CF in the world at a certain time, but he can thank Rui for many of the goals he scored while at Fiorentina.

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Re: RUI COSTA | 2000-2001 & 2003-2004

Postby donny83 » 2011 May 18, 17:10

incredible someone here is italian and dont know that Rui had not only a nice dribbling (89-91) but also an incredible speed dribbling with a low-medium speed and acceleration (79 80 fiorentina 78 79 milan)

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Re: RUI COSTA | 2000-2001 & 2003-2004

Postby JMVP » 2011 May 19, 15:49

donny83 wrote:incredible someone here is italian and dont know that Rui had not only a nice dribbling (89-91) but also an incredible speed dribbling with a low-medium speed and acceleration (79 80 fiorentina 78 79 milan)

So what are you suggesting? I didn't understand it.

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Re: RUI COSTA | 2000-2001 & 2003-2004

Postby jurgens » 2011 Jul 05, 06:14

His SPA needs to come up to 97.

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Re: RUI COSTA | 2000-2001 & 2003-2004

Postby JMVP » 2011 Jul 05, 23:23

Full set for Fiorentina:

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Position: AMF*, CMF

Attack: 83
Defence: 54 - two points above Laudrup and Zidane,because Rui went on to play has the deepest midfielder on ocasion, at Milan, and because of his low response and BB. He also played deeper than Zidane and Laudrup.
Balance: 79 - average to weak
Stamina: 83 - average
Top Speed: 79
Acceleration: 82 - good burst but he never sprinted without the ball
Response: 76 - Non responsive player, he would rather wait for someone to pass the ball than try to steal it himself and i can't remember him ever poaching a goal.
Agility: 83
Dribble Accuracy: 91
Dribble Speed: 85
Short Pass Accuracy: 96 - his best quality, by far.
Short Pass Speed: 88
Long Pass Accuracy: 89 - also has some text book aerial assits
Long Pass Speed: 83
Shot Accuracy: 76
Shot Power: 84
Shot Technique: 74 - not a great shooter although he has some great goals he also had some very poor attempts.
Free Kick Accuracy: 81
Curling: 85 - He had a nice swerve in his passes and shots, better than 85 but that would make him to dangerous in free kicks were it wasn't easy for him to pass the wall. Btw, the goal against Brescia is a must see.
Header: 68
Jump: 67 - didn't even tried to jump or head the ball most times, although he has scored with his head.
Technique: 90 - great first touch but not on Figo's level and worst than his DA imo, although it's arguable. I'd say his 1st touch is similar to Xavi's, simple but effective.
Aggression: 72 - it's not worth trying to justify this, it has to be tried in game by the ones that play with him. For the ones who didn't watch him play or don't remember his style of play just look at his goal tally.
Mentality: 75
Keeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 88 - although his vision was fantastic he also liked to dribble and he wasn't the type of playmaker who controlled the game with the patience and method. He was more the kind to get the ball, dribble past 2 or 3 and deliver a ridiculously well measured pass.

Injury Tolerance: B
Condition/Fitness: 6
Weak Foot Accuracy: 5
Weak Foot Frequency: 5

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Re: RUI COSTA | 2000-2001 & 2003-2004

Postby yourigo » 2011 Jul 06, 00:35

really great set mate, and very good explanations. I agree, with the exception of one or two tweaks: i think response at 76 can be a bit harsh on him, sure he wasn't a poacher nor a great defender, but he responded very quickly to other players movements, he read the game really well. He had of course great passing accuracy, but also key in his passes was timing, in response to his team-mates runs. It's generally accepted in the site that a player with good reading of the game deserves good response and Rui's was excellent. Of course it shouldn't be anything otherworldly because of the reasons you stated, but i can easily see him at a yellow value.
Other than that, i think attack might be too high. Iniesta for example is a midfielder who can play as a second striker if needed and his offensive positioning is very good and he has 83. I can't see rui costa at that same level, maybe one or two points below. cheers ;)

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Re: RUI COSTA | 2000-2001 & 2003-2004

Postby jurgens » 2011 Jul 06, 19:55

Nice set.

JMVP, is 96 the highest value for his SPA? I've not seem any of his fiorentina days really, But from the milan vids I've seen recently, his passing was immense. Some of the best passing I've ever seen, I think that should be represented in his stats with a 97?

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Re: RUI COSTA | 2000-2001 & 2003-2004

Postby Brezza » 2011 Jul 06, 20:29

Maybe he could have have 97 for his Milan days considering there was a gap between the two sets originally? I agree with the Fiorentina set and yourigo's sentiments regarding response, such an average value might make him too sluggish in his general movements responding to passes etc. but I generally agree with the whole playmakers are being overrated in response on the site thing, unless they are good defensivly or have great poaching abilities (like a Lampard or a Zico) I think it depends on their position on the pitch as well, for instance its pretty obvious that Xavi will defend more given his position in the middle of the pitch in comparison to AM who are more advanced. But with all that said Id still rate him around 80.

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Re: RUI COSTA | 2000-2001 & 2003-2004

Postby yourigo » 2011 Jul 06, 23:02

Luisao's sentiments? thanks mate

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Re: RUI COSTA | 2000-2001 & 2003-2004

Postby Brezza » 2011 Jul 06, 23:29

Just keeping you on your toes mate.

my bad :oops:

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Re: RUI COSTA | 2000-2001 & 2003-2004

Postby JMVP » 2011 Jul 08, 19:51

yourigo wrote: i think response at 76 can be a bit harsh on him, sure he wasn't a poacher nor a great defender, but he responded very quickly to other players movements, he read the game really well. He had of course great passing accuracy, but also key in his passes was timing, in [u]response to his team-mates runs.[/u] It's generally accepted in the site that a player with good reading of the game deserves good response and Rui's was excellent.

Unfortunately it's true that this line of though is generally accepted, but it couldn't be more wrong because the timing of passes is dictated by the human who presses the key and nothing else. When people refer to "reading the game" from the man with the ball point of view they are talking about something that is defined by TW, and probably attack too.
Now if someone refers to reading of the game as the ability to quickly react to a pass (and not a team mate movement/run like the passer does) then we are talking about response, because it's the AI that reacts to the pass, not you.

jurgens wrote:JMVP, is 96 the highest value for his SPA?

96, 97, whatever. I give him one more point for his Milan days, were he was played a little deeper (actually he probably shouldn't have CMF for his Fiorentina days, although he could be played there in those days but it would be a total waste) and his passing skills were even more impressive, so if i gave him 97 at Fiorentina i would have to give him 98 at Milan and that might be overkill, but it's a one point difference so either way is ok.
Truth is that he was always an amazing passer: i got my hands on an early 90's game, home against Braga, i think it's his last season in Benfica and he has 4 or 5 great passes just in that game. There's one were got hit, he eventually stops wining and gets up but he is still holding on to his arm in pain when someone passes him the ball. He get's rid of the ball like saying "i'm not ready to keep playing yet" by delivering a pass that leaves João Pinto with half a scoring chance, like no effort at all just take the ball i don't want it. When you don't want the ball you pass it backwards, you don't do that kind of stuff but not him, he was a class apart from a very young age.

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Re: RUI COSTA | 2000-2001 & 2003-2004

Postby paddypoohead » 2011 Jul 24, 14:00

He doesnt look like he's 180kg.

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Re: RUI COSTA | 2000-2001 & 2003-2004

Postby JMVP » 2011 Jul 24, 14:03

paddypoohead wrote:He doesnt look like he's 180kg.

Or a 74 cm midget :lol:

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Re: RUI COSTA | 2000-2001 & 2003-2004

Postby Uzair » 2011 Jul 24, 22:31

haha i did not give him those figures

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Re: RUI COSTA | 2000-2001 & 2003-2004

Postby Fantasista » 2011 Jul 26, 20:14

Why his teamwork is on prime kaka level!? Oh wait, Rui Costa from Milan is better by whole HUGE TWO points(no red points of course :P).

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Re: RUI COSTA | 2000-2001 & 2003-2004

Postby jurgens » 2011 Jul 28, 18:13

Any major disagrements with SPA of 97 for AC Milan era? If not will update soon. Also, before I update him to the new site, any suggestions on his stats?

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Re: RUI COSTA | 2000-2001 & 2003-2004

Postby Fantasista » 2011 Jul 28, 20:43

jurgens wrote:Any major disagrements with SPA of 97 for AC Milan era? If not will update soon. Also, before I update him to the new site, any suggestions on his stats?

Not a bad idea, but doesn't he deserve spa in red region for Fiorentina times too?

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Re: RUI COSTA | 2000-2001 & 2003-2004 & 2007-2008

Postby jurgens » 2011 Jul 29, 07:18

Updated Fiorentina era with JMVP's set. Keeping response at 80 for now, if Breeza has no objections, I think it would be better to lower it to 77 as in the original set.
Updated AC Milan era with 97 SPA. This set could probably do with a few tweaks here and there.
Added Benfica 2007-2008 era.

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Re: RUI COSTA | 2000-2001 & 2003-2004 & 2007-2008

Postby xeneize » 2011 Aug 04, 22:03

can you put the 3 sets in the first post?

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