Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

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Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

Postby Brezza » 2008 Dec 11, 02:32

Nickname: "Le Roi" ("The King")

Club: Juventus



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Michel Platini, former three time Ballon D'or winner. Absolute legend. Technically gifted, fantastic touch and ball control. Great finisher, finishing top scorer in Serie A for three consecutive seasons. Fantastic passer of the ball. However, arguably his greatest skill was his threat from set pieces - he could bend them in from nearly any position. There didn't seem to be any real weakness in his attacking game.
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Ahh Monsieur Platini, not the most popular person in world football at the moment but an absolute hero for French football and one of the best playmakers ever. Cheif orchastrator, set piece specialist, goal scorer, goal poacher, incredible passer and the vision to open up the tightest defences all into one.

To get an idea of how effective he was for club and country Juventus and France experienced a collapse in results once Platini retired. Juventus' league positions first four seasons after Platini left: 6, 4, 4, 7. France didn't even qualify for another tournament until Euro 92 - World Cup first in 1998....

Attack.

What set about Platini compared to his other midfield contemparies (except Zico) was his extraordinary reading of the game in an attacking sense. His positioning in the box was exceptional and better than most strikers, he could dictate the flow of attacking moves so well. I read an article somewhere that said his father taught him that he cannot out run the ball. He therefore learned to read the game and know where the ball is going, learning the fundamental importance of anticipating play and knowing whom to pass to before receiving possession of the ball. Linked to teamwork as well of course but given the new thoughts surrounding attack value combined with his positional sense i'd say he's worth this value.

He was also top scorer in three successive seasons a feat unequaled in the last 50 years of Italian football, a remarkable achievment, even more so for a midfielder.

Physical stats:

Platini was never much of an athlete, actually he was quite poor physically but it wasnt really a part of his game that he needed to rely on, as Giovanni Trapattoni put it:

"Michel was one of those great players who saw fitness work as being a bit superficial. He used to say, 'We're not going to compete in the 5,000 metres at the Olympics, we have to play with our feet."

Obviously alot of people think that speed is overrated which is true, he was never mid 80's speed wise, very much a classical play-maker dictating play with his outstanding passing and vision not requiring a huge deal movement. you can see some examples in these videos:



He hardly shows much burst in his matches, some short dribbles here and there but I think it could be easily replicating with 78 Acc maybe 80-78 dribble speed. I don't think he was actually a slow player once he got going though, he just didn't need to rely on his speed as much as others was so technically gifted. Especially for the French team in that era where he usually had quick players either side of him like Tigana and Giresse to do the running for him. Slightly different at Juventus where I think he showed some decent speed off the ball to get on the end of those one- two's and loose balls into the box as you can see here:



Of course its only a short compilation of his best bits but I don't think Konami were too wrong giving him acc: 76 top speed: 82, id personally rate him acc: 78 top speed: 80. The large drop in DS and ACC should replicate the classic no 10 elegant nature of his play with the occasional burst forward with TS, along with his response and reading of the game to get on the end of other players passes

I dont think he was quite 85 value worthy agility wise , he decent 'turning circle' but he didn't quite really rely on quick movements speedy twists or turns etc more an elegant mover of the ball. Similar style players are rated around that 82/83 region.


Technical stats:

DA was a bit overrated, obviously very gifted technically but his ball control was more Xavi/Pirlo esque. It was quite subtle and used it mainly to make space for himself, wasnt one to rely upon a menagerie of tricks to enable himself to beat his man. In fact he could be easily dispossessed on the ball at times compared to other players of a similar value . off course he didnt have the same physical values as some of those other players but I'd never rate his close control this close to Riquelme let alone above the likes of Rivera (93) , Totti (92) or Valderrama (91)

What was extraordinary though was his velvet like first touch. he could kill the ball effortsly to feet or the chest. Famous for his little dinks over the last defender and chesting it down, could arguably be a point higher, but it seems fine based on current ladders.

Passing

Now he was one of the most unnerving accurate passers ive ever seen. he could really pass a ball through the eye of a needle like Bobby Charlton put it, but id still drop SPS and SPA by one . Like I said in the Cruyff thread SPS dictates ball travels and his passes were pretty varied mostly quite slow delicate passes, not really constantly hitting powerful short passes in the mid-high 80's range although he was capable..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=FR&hl=fr&v=nJvJZyonxUM

(And for a more delicate touch)



I also think Platini was just a tiny bit behind the likes of Maradona, Zico and Xavi in those difficult through ball type passes. His short passses on general was still among probably the top 5 ever but he wasnt above those aforementioned players when it came to those splitting, skimming a ball between a number of defenders type passes.

Now in terms of Long passing he was among the best executer of long passes with precision that I've ever seen . He often sent Boniek through with those in the Juve-era. he had a superb ability to deliver ultra-precise long passes from a deep positions that covered a great deal of distance as well hence a deserved LPS rise . Now there are more 'flair' players that may be (marginally) better at close, pint-point passing such as Zico, Maradona and Ronaldinho But there were very few that could match him in terms of long range passing, apart from maybe Pirlo Beckham and Guardiola.

It should be noted as well that he's one of the best ever at delivering assists. He has 20 assists for France alone (in 72 caps) which is remarkable considering that France didnt really have a world class striker around that time with the likes of Stopyra, Bellone and Six, Rocheteau was an exceptional player but was more of a winger. Its a shame that Jean-Pierre Papin was just coming through by the time he retired.

Shooting

Pretty interesting to rate, no doubt that he relied more on the technique than power in his shots. At times he just stroked the ball into the back of the net with the least effort possible, but then he did score plenty of nice efforts outside the box and 90% of the time they where hit quite hard and always worked the keeper ( something I think the A.I wouldnt do if he was rated among the the greens like some people were proposing). 82 looks a decent number to replicate this but i'll still lower it by one point ( on par with the likes of Messi or Dalgish) his ST will alow him to still shoot with decent power outside the box when need be. Quite a few people in the thread rate his shot acc higher which I can agree with he really had the knack to place perfectly in the corner very precise shooter at times a one point raise at least is deserved imo.

Teamwork:

Superlative vision, could dictate and control midfield so well with his passing. I was thinking about rating him around Laudrup, Cesc, kinda region maybe even higher. But after reading some dicussion about teamwork and how it relates to off-the ball movement I think its fine on 90 for now. Mostly a classic playmaker so he wasnt always on the move getting involved looking to be the first one to receive the pass in the centre off the pitch ( although he did come deep occasionaly), he saved it more for attacking areas in the final third though where his linkup play 1-2's etc were fantastic, so its pretty hard to rate . I reckon that the that the attack raise and keeping TW the way it is finds the right balance. I might test this more later.

Aggression

Looks a bit too high like p1rha said , especially when you take free roaming and reaction into account. He did sometime often sit deep then come forward to score high 80 values an 83/84 like a current day Lampard/Gerrrard should suffice here.

Mentality:

Although he could look disintrested at times he was an amazing team leader. he could really raise his game for the big matches just like Zidane- even more so. His performance at the 84 Euros ( where Platini scored the winning goal in every game)and the 85 european cup final after a tragedy like Heysel are the kind of stuff people write movies about.



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ADDITIONAL LINKS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Platini

http://www.planetworldcup.com/LEGENDS/platini.html

http://www.michelplatini.org/

http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/pla ... index.html

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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

Postby Plava Čigra » 2010 Jan 29, 10:15

Could he have P05: Trickster (since it's the closest thing to *Tactical Dribble)?

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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

Postby andykeikei » 2010 Jan 29, 10:50

I am going to ask the same question about the dribbling stars, but I am wondering if its okay to delete all of them since Platini liked to passed it around rather than beating people off dribble. Yes he dribbled past 1 or 2 defenders occationally, however I believe he would tend to look for teammates to pass first.

BTW I am waiting for your updates for him Plava 8-)

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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

Postby Brezza » 2010 Jan 29, 18:32

Plava Čigra wrote:Could he have P05: Trickster (since it's the closest thing to *Tactical Dribble)?


Its the closest thing but they are still quite different. :P Trickster doesn't account for the slowing down and retaining possession aspect that *tactical dribble has . I took out Mazing Run, Early cross and *Dribbling and added Classic No. 10.

I think the combination of classic N0. 10 and free roaming/reaction replicate his style well although Ive read that people are having doubts to whether players should have both . Id rather get rid of one and keep aggression the way it is. I agree that Dribble speed could come down also.

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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

Postby Plava Čigra » 2010 Jan 30, 02:11

Ok mate. I now understand better what are you trying to replicate (I must admit, I couldn't completely remember Platini's style of dribble; later when I've checked a few videos, you already answered on my post ;)). :)

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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

Postby oReiTheBest » 2010 Jun 29, 00:15

if Figo has 87 dribble speed. Why can not Michel Platini has 87 or 86 also? (If Figo was slow and you put him 87
I also think that his shot accuracy should be 95 and his dribble accuracy should be 97 as Cruyff.

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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

Postby jeanclaude » 2010 Jun 29, 08:26

shot accuracy 95... what? and gerd muller or puskas 110 ? no way

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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

Postby Fiddy » 2010 Jun 29, 10:34

yeah no fucking way, classic players are so god damn overated, ATT 87 ? ST 92 ? hell no, he is postisionnig and shooting skills shouldn't be over Ronaldinho i think(the classic one i mean).

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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

Postby Plava Čigra » 2010 Jun 29, 11:00

His shooting values are fine.

I'm tired of listening that classic players are overrated. The ones updated so far aren't overrated. Also, I see no reasoning in your post why is he worse then Ronaldinho in shooting and positioning...

Have you actually watched some full games of Platini? He was very efficient goalscorer, extremely dangerous in the box. He didn't have Ronaldinho's pace or speed on the ball, but he was still enigma for his opponents (they thought more how to stop Platini then how to stop attackers in his club/national team). He was an *AMF for God's sake, and he scored over 25 goals per season for 3 seasons in a row in Italian league during 1980s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Pla ... statistics

He had to play vs. Baresi, Vierchowod, Bergomi, Collovati, Krol, etc., all of them were "mediocre" defenders, off course... :roll:

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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

Postby Fevernova » 2010 Jul 16, 21:29

Hi, Plava, or Brezza.

Shouldn´t the nickname "Le Roi (The King)" be added to the 1st post? It became quite popular during his era. ;)

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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

Postby JMVP » 2010 Jul 17, 19:37

Fiddy wrote:yeah no fucking way, classic players are so god damn overated, ATT 87 ? ST 92 ? hell no, his positioning and shooting skills shouldn't be over Ronaldinho i think(the classic one i mean).


Don't be an idiot, talk about what you know. As a finisher Platini would put Ronaldinho in his jeans's pocket, you ought know that. Not only he was able to score those beautiful goals Ronaldinho did he was much more cold in front of goal, barely missing a chance. In fact i even think his SA could be raised because the placement of his shots was perfect, he had a knack for the top corner.

@Plava: He is overrated in some aspects nonetheless. His was crap as an athlete: he always had a belly, used to have a fag at halftime, loved to eat and drink, didn't put all the effort on training... well you get the picture. His speed values should probably be in the green area, he had no explosion whatsoever, nor did he sprint. Basically he wouldn't beat anyone for speed. Even on the ball Rossi was faster than him. Stamina should also be reduced.

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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

Postby SpongeBob » 2010 Jul 18, 08:54

JMVP wrote:Even on the ball Rossi was faster than him.


What was this supposed to mean? You probably don't have that impression but Rossi was very fast player, and is underrated in speed on PSD. You probably won't
agree it but I watch almost every day a football show on one Italian TV chanel, where former Juve player and Rossi's teammate Domenico Marocchino takes part, and
he said a couple of times Rossi was faster than Pato currently is. Considering they were teammates I'll rather trust him than some PSD member who probablly never
watched Paolo Rossi.

Anyway JMVP, you were right about Platini's speed. Also his STA must go down. I saw enough Platini's games and I must say although he was supposed to act as a
AMF he was mainly playing as a SS, because he was always "camping" in opponents box or near it. He never went back to help and mainly walked on the pitch as you
very well said he probably doesn't even know what the sprint is. And SA must be around 90-91, he had so precise shots and scored tons of brillant goals troughout
his carrer.

P.S. And to compare Ronaldinho with him is huge insult to Platini and a big shame. Ronaldinho is a big,fat,lazy bastard who plays just for his stupid tricks and idiotic
celebrations. Most of the goals Ronaldinho scored were from penalties and FK's. Ronaldinho was good to score 1 FK out of 15 attempts pro game and that made him
famous alongside that aligator's teeth.

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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

Postby zguc » 2010 Jul 18, 09:02

My opinion:
Balance: 76>75
Stamina: 84>80
Top speed: 84>81
Acceleration: 84>82
Shot Acc: 87>88 on same level as Zico
Header: 85>83
Jump: 86>82 this value looks overrated, he wasn't athlete

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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

Postby JMVP » 2010 Jul 18, 13:12

SpongeBob wrote:
JMVP wrote:Even on the ball Rossi was faster than him.

You probably won't agree it but I watch almost every day a football show on one Italian TV chanel, where former Juve player and Rossi's teammate Domenico Marocchino takes part, and he said a couple of times Rossi was faster than Pato currently is. Considering they were teammates I'll rather trust him than some PSD member who probablly never watched Paolo Rossi.


You don't have to trust what i say, and you definitely should not trust a guy who says Rossi was faster than Pato with a ball at his feet :roll: Rossi was more or less like Villa, and instead of trying to rate players with the classical "I've heard that..." try to watch some games of the players mentioned. My comments are based on the impressions i've got from watching them, not from a TV pundit who might just hate Milan.
Don't you see the contradiction?! You're saying i "probablly never watched Paolo Rossi" and yet you make your suggestion based on a pundit comment...

SpongeBob wrote:P.S. And to compare Ronaldinho with him is huge insult to Platini and a big shame. Ronaldinho is a big,fat,lazy bastard who plays just for his stupid tricks and idiotic celebrations. Most of the goals Ronaldinho scored were from penalties and FK's. Ronaldinho was good to score 1 FK out of 15 attempts pro game and that made him famous alongside that aligator's teeth.


Typical hater talk. Platini was also fat and lazy by the way... and do you have a clue of how many of those goals he scored came from FK's and penaltys? Think before you talk/write, aye? Cheers.

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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

Postby SpongeBob » 2010 Jul 18, 15:13

JMVP wrote:You don't have to trust what i say, and you definitely should not trust a guy who says Rossi was faster than Pato with a ball at his feet :roll: Rossi was more or less like Villa, and instead of trying to rate players with the classical "I've heard that..." try to watch some games of the players mentioned. My comments are based on the impressions i've got from watching them, not from a TV pundit who might just hate Milan.
Don't you see the contradiction?! You're saying i "probablly never watched Paolo Rossi" and yet you make your suggestion based on a pundit comment..



I've seen enough Rossi's games, especially from WC '82. Therefore I consider Rossi underrated in speed and I've just added Marochino's words what combined means
he really is underrated. I also wanted to say that author of Rossi's thread probably never watched him, I didn't mean on you. And to finish Marocchino watched
Rossi hundreds of time more than you or me or the author of that thread so why shouldn't I trust him? Maybe you hate Rossi as well as the author of the tread?



JMVP wrote:Typical hater talk. Platini was also fat and lazy by the way... and do you have a clue of how many of those goals he scored came from FK's and penaltys? Think before you talk/write, aye?



First of all Platini wasn't fat, I saw him several times when he pulled off the jersey and he was in good shape. Meanwhile Ronaldinho looks more like a wrestler.
Platini maybe was lazy but surely Ronaldinho is the all-time no 1 in terms of laziness and acting as a non athlete. Platini was great captain and he was playing
different for Juve. After initial arguments with Trappatoni he started to move much often on the pitch and became a brillant creator and finisher. On the other side
Ronaldinho is only interested in having fun on the pitch, make that tricks and try not to sweat. He doesn't take care will his team win or lose the game, he thinks
he's more important and bigger than team. When we esclude goals from FK's and PK's Platini will still be million of years ahead of Ronaldinho. Platini scored some
brillant headers, not even mentioning those numerous goals in top corner as you said. Also he scored some crucial goals in "big" matches, in whom he played
always very well. For comparison, what did Ronaldinho in WC '06? How many goals he scored there and how many assists he had there?
What's more important, Platini was the best player there for some 10-12 years. Meanwhile Ronaldinho was among the best for 2 years, starting to play on a high
level with 22-23 years of age and at the age of 27 already dead player ready for the retirement and starting new carrer in circus.
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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

Postby zguc » 2010 Aug 22, 12:37

I do not remember a larger dog fox. I do not! From whom? From Platini. He had a some little catty, not tigers. Nowhere else is not. You can find it even with the magnifying glass, when it ended I did not think i stopped searching - goal! Who scored? Platini! That it was such a "variety" of players. Renard. Do not be higher.

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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

Postby babaorum » 2010 Aug 22, 13:52

JMVP wrote:
Fiddy wrote:
@Plava: He is overrated in some aspects nonetheless. His was crap as an athlete: he always had a belly, used to have a fag at halftime, loved to eat and drink, didn't put all the effort on training... well you get the picture. His speed values should probably be in the green area, he had no explosion whatsoever, nor did he sprint. Basically he wouldn't beat anyone for speed. Even on the ball Rossi was faster than him. Stamina should also be reduced.


You exaggerate a lot. Platini not being an athlete is a myth. Of course he didn't rely on his pace as much as Cruyff, Maradona or later Ronaldo did but he was not that slow... You can easily find some videos showing that he had more than decent acceleration and speed compared to the defenders he faced.
He said a few years ago in an interview that during Juve training sessions he and his team mates used to run 400 meters races. Guess who was the faster of all? Himself of course !

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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

Postby zguc » 2010 Aug 22, 14:15

Platini himself once said, it is not the fastest, that he was not the best jumps, but no one who plays football better than him... look in this video on 5:23 - 5:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxcoUdIxB5U&feature=related

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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

Postby babaorum » 2010 Aug 22, 16:57

zguc wrote:Platini himself once said, it is not the fastest, that he was not the best jumps, but no one who plays football better than him... look in this video on 5:23 - 5:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxcoUdIxB5U&feature=related


I didn't know this documentary, thanks !

Of course Platini was the not the fastest player... however he was certainly faster than most people think and than himself say ! Platini has the tendency during interviews to undervalue his own physical capabilities by saying again and again that he used to smoke a lot as a player, that he trained few, that he was slow and didn't jump high and so on. There's a lot of exaggeration in it but we all know how Platini is. The truth is that he wants to appear as a kind of 'romantic' football figure, the kind of player whose vision and passing were so good that he didn't need to use his legs... which is true but only to a certain extent.
You can't play at the highest level during more than 10 years and be considered as the best player in the world at some point of your carreer as Platini was if you're not a true athlete.

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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

Postby ballmer » 2011 Jun 02, 18:54

Hey, I'm not looking to incite anyone, especially being new here, and I may well be being ignorant of some classics, but this set, like other classics, seems far too overpowered in game. This set suggests he had the SPA of Xavi, superior LPA to Alonso or Pirlo, the SA of Messi, the DA of Robinho. the ST of Forlan, the free-kicks of Beckham and the technique of Berbatov. Surely this isn't accurate?

I think it's been being said that some classics need an update (or a downgrade?). Does anyone else agree?

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Re: Michel PLATINI | 1983-1985

Postby Brezza » 2011 Jun 13, 19:23

Don't see why you you think your inciting anyone, your entitled to your opinion. I'll try to do a full update this summer after watching a huge collection of matches I have lying dormant on my hardrive and will probably do the same with the likes of Baresi or Cruyff.

Like you said he can be tweaked in some of areas you mentioned and Im not sure about speed stats either.. But being level with those players doesn't necessarily mean he's as good as all those players rolled into one. Its more a collection of stats that define how good they are at something in game . Xavi is a far better short passer in game with his SPS and Team work for example. Im sure Robinho is the better Dribbler in game with a combination of his DS AG and DA. But in terms of close control there isn't much difference between the two.

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