Johan Cruyff | 1969-1974

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Johan Cruyff | 1969-1974

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The best European Footballer of the 20th Century

Nickname: *Pythagoras in boots*

Club: AFC Ajax (1969/1974) | FC Barcelona (1974)



Growth type: Early/Lasting


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Hendrik Johannes Cruijff (born 25 April 1947), commonly known as Johan Cruyff, is a former Dutch footballer and manager. He was named European Footballer of the Year three times (1971, 1973, 1974) which is a record jointly held with Michel Platini, and Marco van Basten. Cruyff was the most famous exponent of the football philosophy known as Total Football, explored by Rinus Michels and is widely regarded as one of the greatest players of all time.

After his retirement from playing in 1984, Cruyff became highly successful as manager of Ajax and later Barcelona; he remains an influential advisor to both clubs. His son, Jordi, also went on to play football professionally.

In 1999, Cruyff was voted European Player of the Century in an election held by the IFFHS, and came second behind Pelé in their World Player of the Century poll. He came third in a vote organised by the French weekly magazine France Football consulting their former Ballon d'Or winners to elect their Football Player of the Century.

On 2 November 2009 Cruyff was named as the head coach of the Catalonia national football team in place of Pere Gratacòs. This is the first coaching job in the last thirteen years.


Style of play

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Through his career, Cruyff became synonymous with the playing style of "Total Football". It is a system where a player who moves out of his position is replaced by another from his team, thus allowing the team to retain their intended organizational structure. In this fluid system no footballer is fixed in their intended outfield role; anyone can be successively an attacker, a midfielder and a defender. The style was honed by Ajax coach Rinus Michels around the time Cruyff came to prominence.

Strictly speaking, Cruyff played centre forward in this system. But he would drop deep to confuse his markers or suddenly move to the wing with devastating effect. No one had seen a centre forward like that before. Due to the way Cruyff played his game he is still referred to as "the total footballer."

Cruyff was known for his technical ability, speed and acceleration, but his greatest quality was vision, based on an acute sense of his team-mates' positions as an attack unfolded. The sports writer David Miller believed Cruyff superior to any previous player in his ability to extract the most from others. He dubbed him "Pythagoras in boots" for the complexity and precision of his angled passes and wrote: "Few have been able to exact, both physically and mentally, such mesmeric control on a match from one penalty area to another."

Cruyff also perfected a move now known as the "Cruyff Turn." To do this move, Cruyff would look to pass or cross the ball. However, instead of kicking it, he would drag the ball behind his planted foot with the inside of his other foot and turn through 180 degrees and accelerate away outside a defender.


Club career

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Cruyff played for Ajax, Barcelona, Los Angeles Aztecs, Washington Diplomats, Levante, and Feyenoord during his career.

AFC Ajax
Cruyff joined Ajax youth system on his 10th birthday. He made his first team debut on 15 November 1964 in the Eredivisie, against Groningen, scoring the only goal for Ajax in a 3–1 defeat. That year Ajax finished in their lowest position since the establishment of professional football, 13th. Cruyff really started to make an impression in the 1965–66 season. Cruyff established himself as a regular first team player after scoring two goals against Door Wilskracht Sterk in the Olympic stadion on 24 October 1965 (in a 2–0 victory). In the seven games that winter he scored eight times and in March 1966 he scored the first three goals in a league game against Telstar (6–2 win). Four days later, in a cup game against BV Veendam (7–0 win), he scored four goals. In total that season, Cruyff scored 25 goals in 23 games, and Ajax won the league championship.

In the 1966-1967 season, Ajax again won the league championship, but also won the KNVB Cup, for Cruyff's first "double." Cruyff ended the season as the leading goalscorer in the Eredivisie with 33.

Cruyff won the league for the third successive year in the 1967–68 season. He was also named Dutch footballer of the year for the second successive time, a feat he would repeat in 1969. On 28 May 1969, Cruyff played in his first European Cup final against AC Milan, but the Italian team ended up winning 4-1.

In the 1969–70 season, Cruyff won his second league and cup "double," but at the beginning of the 1970-1971 season, Cruyff suffered a long-term groin injury. He made his comeback on 30 October 1970 against PSV. In this game, he did not wear his usual number 9, which was in use by Gerrie Mühren, but instead used number 14. Ajax won the game 1–0. Although it was very uncommon in those days for the starters of a game not to play with numbers 1 to 11, from that moment onwards, Cruyff's number was 14, even using the number with the Dutch national team. There has even been a documentary on Cruyff titled Nummer 14 Johan Cruyff and in his native Holland there is a magazine by Voetbal International titled "Nummer 14".

In a league game against AZ '67 on 29 November 1970, Cruyff scored no less than six goals in an 8–1 victory. After winning a replayed KNVB Cup final against Sparta Rotterdam by a score of 2–1, Ajax won in Europe for the first time. On 2 June 1971, in London, Ajax won the European Cup by defeating Panathinaikos 2–0. In spite of speculation that Cruyff would move to another club (Feyenoord and Barcelona were interested) on 12 July 1971, he signed a seven-year contract at Ajax. At the end of the season, he became not only the Dutch, but also the European Footballer of the Year for 1971.

1972 was a particular successful year for Ajax and Cruyff. Ajax won a second European Cup, beating Internazionale 2–0 in the final, with Cruyff scoring both goals. This victory prompted Dutch newspapers to announce the demise of the Italian style of defensive football in the face of Total Football. Soccer: The Ultimate Encyclopaedia says: "Single-handed, Cruyff not only pulled Internazionale of Italy apart in the 1972 European Cup Final, but scored both goals in Ajax's 2–0 win." Cruyff also scored in the 3–2 victory over ADO Den Haag in the KNVB Cup final. In the league, Cruyff was the top scorer with 25 goals as Ajax became champions. In the autumn, Ajax won the Intercontinental Cup, beating Argentina's Independiente (1–1 and 3–0) and then in January 1973, they won the European Super Cup by beating Rangers 3–1 away and 3–2 in Amsterdam. Curiously, Cruyff's only own goal came on 20 August 1972 against FC Amsterdam. A week later, against Go Ahead Eagles (6–0), Cruyff scored four times for Ajax. The 1972–73 season was concluded with the another league championship victory and a third successive Europe Cup (Ajax — Juventus 1–0).

In the summer of 1973, Cruyff was sold to Barcelona for 6 million guilder (approx. US$ 2 million, circa 1973). On 19 August 1973, he played his last match for Ajax (Ajax — FC Amsterdam 6–1), the 2nd match of the 1973–74 season.

FC Barcelona
At Barcelona, Cruyff quickly won over the Barça fans when he told the European press he chose Barça over Real Madrid because he could not play for a club associated with the Spanish dictator Francisco Franco. He further endeared himself when he chose a Catalan name Jordi for his son. He helped the club win La Liga for the first time since 1960, along the way defeating Real Madrid 5–0 at their home of Bernabéu. He was also crowned European Footballer of the Year.

During his time at Barcelona, Cruyff scored one of his most famous goals, The 'Phantom' Goal. In a game against Atlético de Madrid, Cruyff leapt into the air, twisted his body so he was facing away from the goal, and kicked the ball past Miguel Reina in the Atlético Madrid goal with his right heel (the ball was at about neck height and had already traveled wide of the far post). The goal was featured in the documentary En un momento dado, in which fans of Cruyff attempted to recreate that moment. The goal has been dubbed Le but impossible de Cruyff (Cruyff's impossible goal).[citation needed]

Note that Cruyff played two games with Paris Saint-Germain in 1975 during the Paris tournament. On loan from Barcelona to 10,000,000 francs, it was unfortunately booed by the Parc des Princes in its output when the defeat of the french club against Valencia. The Dutch player had only agreed because he was a fan of designer Daniel Hechter, who was then president of PSG.

United States
At the age of 32, he signed a lucrative deal with the Los Angeles Aztecs of the North American Soccer League (NASL). He had previously been rumored to be joining the New York Cosmos but the deal did not materialize. However, he did play exhibition games for the Cosmos. He stayed at the Aztecs for only one season, but was voted NASL Player of the Year in that time. The following season he moved to play for the Washington Diplomats; he played the whole 1980 campaign for Washington, leaving soon after the start of the 1981 season.

Back in the Netherlands
After his spell in the USA and a short-lived stay at UD Levante in Spain, Cruyff returned to play in his homeland, rejoining Ajax on 30 November 1980 as "technical advisor" of trainer Leo Beenhakker, Ajax being 8th in the ranking of the table of the Dutch League then after 13 games. Ajax would finish 2nd in 1980–81 in June 1981 after 34 games. In January 1981, Cruyff played three friendly matches for DS'79 from Dordrecht. In March 1981, Cruyff started to play for Levante, a Spanish 2nd Division club. The club did not keep the financial agreements, however. In May 1981, Cruyff played as a guest player for AC Milan, in a tournament, but was injured. As a result, he missed almost all of the entire American soccer season thereafter. In December 1981, Cruyff signed a new contract as player for Ajax. His already since November 1980 expected return was on December 6, 1981 against Haarlem (4–1 home win), Cruyff scored the first goal. In the 1981–82 and 1982–83 seasons, Ajax, along with Cruyff, became league champions. In the 1982–83 season, Ajax also won the Dutch Cup (KNVB-Beker). One notable incident from this era was a famous goal he scored against Helmond Sport in 1982 while playing for Ajax. Cruyff scored a penalty the same way Rik Coppens had already done it 25 years earlier. He put the ball down as for a routine penalty kick, but instead of shooting at goal, Cruyff nudged the ball sideways to his Ajax teammate Jesper Olsen who in return passed it back to Cruyff who tapped the ball into the empty net, as Otto Versfeld, the bemused Helmond goalkeeper, looked on. At the end of the 1982–83 season, Ajax decided not to offer Cruyff a new contract. This angered Cruyff, who responded by signing for Ajax's archrivals Feyenoord. Cruyff's season at Feyenoord was a successful one in which the club won the Eredivisie for the first time in a decade, part of a league and cup double.


International career

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As a Dutch international, Cruyff, played 48 matches, scoring 33 goals. In his second Dutch national team match, a friendly against Czechoslovakia, Cruyff was the first Dutch international to receive a red card. He received a one-year suspension from the Dutch KNVB.

Accusations of Cruyff's "aloofness" were not rebuffed by his habit of wearing a shirt with only two black stripes along the sleeves, as opposed to Adidas' usual design feature of three, worn by all the other Dutch players. Cruyff, however, had a separate sponsorship deal with Puma.

Cruyff led the Netherlands to a runners-up medal in the 1974 FIFA World Cup and was named the player of the tournament. Thanks to his team's mastery of Total Football, they coasted all the way to the final, knocking out Argentina (4–0), East Germany (2–0), and Brazil (2–0) along the way. Cruyff himself scored twice against Argentina in one of his team's most dominating performances, then he scored the second goal against Brazil to knock out the defending champions. The Netherlands faced hosts West Germany in the final. Cruyff kicked off and the ball was passed around the Oranje team 13 times before returning to Cruyff, who then went on a rush that eluded Berti Vogts and ended when he was fouled by Uli Hoeneß inside the box. Teammate Johan Neeskens scored from the spot kick to give the Netherlands a 1–0 lead, and the Germans had not even touched the ball. Only during the latter half of the final was his playmaking influence stifled by the effective marking of Berti Vogts, while Franz Beckenbauer, Uli Hoeneß, and Wolfgang Overath dominated the midfield, enabling West Germany to win 2–1. Cruyff received a yellow card during half time for talking to the referee.

Cruyff retired from international football in October 1977, having helped the national team qualify for the upcoming World Cup. Without him, the Netherlands finished runners-up in the World Cup again. Initially the reason given for missing the 1978 FIFA World Cup were political reasons given a military dictatorship was in power in Argentina at that time. In 2008, however, Cruyff stated to the journalist Antoni Bassas in Catalunya Ràdio, that he and his family were involved in a kidnap attempt in Barcelona a year before the tournament, and that this had caused his retirement. "To play a World Cup you have to be 200%, there are moments when there are other values in life."


HONOURS

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World Cup: Runners Up (1974) :'(
European Cup: 3 times winner (1971, 1972, 1973)
Intercontinental Cup: Winner (1972)
Eredivisie: 9 times winner (1966, 1967, 1968, 1970. 1972, 1973, 1982, 1983, 1984)
Dutch Cup: 6 times winner (1967, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1983, 1984)
La Liga: Winner (1974)
Copa del Rey: Winner (1978)

European Footballer of the Year: 3 times winner (1971, 1973, 1974)
Eredivisie Topscorer: 2 times (1967, 1972)


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ADDITIONAL LINKS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Cruyff

http://www.planetworldcup.com/LEGENDS/cruyff.html

http://www.ifhof.com/hof/cruyff.asp

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1969-1974

Postby Brezza » 2012 Jun 05, 18:12

Yeah, they work really well in fact, but its possible that the whole teamwork affects realism might of been changed with newer Pes versions? It also kinda contradicts why the likes of Recoba etc were given such low teamwork ratings based on how selfish/individual they are but I think teamwork more so effects how selfish they are tactically within a team. A guy who doesnt exacly look to be on the end of team moves and does whatever the fuck he wants should have low teamwork.

Btw I still think Darting Run+Dummy Runner Suits Cruyff and I assume speed merchant was a mistake?

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1969-1974

Postby jurgens » 2012 Jun 05, 18:17

That sounds pretty logical for the low TW. speed merch is a mistake, didn't think I changed cards though.. not to bothered with them anymore

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1969-1974

Postby Yazid » 2012 Aug 09, 00:25

I am convinced after seeing more of him that 97 DA is deserved, I am trying to compare him to other greats, and for me, he stands out in dribbling even amongst other great dribblers. I would say he is more than 1 point above di stefano in dribbling (though di stefano should have higher tech), cruyff was incredible with his close control, not maradona level, but still incredible. Also, for me, 1 point above laudrup and on par with Zizou seems about right.

I would also warily suggest 96 tech, but I am not so sure about this, especially if di stefano stays at 95.

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1969-1974

Postby Defo » 2012 Aug 11, 21:15

The only thing I'm doubtful about are shooting stats. With these he's amongst the greatest finishers of all times, and while he was surely good I'm not sure he was this good...any ideas about it?

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1969-1974

Postby ballmer » 2012 Aug 11, 23:18

I don't know why SA was increased so much, even in his more 'goalscoring' pre-Barca era. I think he had something like mid-80's SA/ orange ST before, which I think was much more realistic.

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1969-1974

Postby retubi » 2012 Sep 03, 11:55

Take this into consideration:


Balance (81) - This is wrong. I think Cruyff should have at least 84 balance, cause was really hard to tackle him. I saw some videos on youtube and even when a defender applies a sliding tackle on him, he doesn't fall. Despite not being strong player his balance was excellent

Top Speed (86) - You gotta be kidding me. 86? Dude, this guy was SUPER fast. I know that accelaration can cause the illusion of a player looks more faster than he actually is, but still !!! I think 88 is the VERY LEAST we can give to him.

Teamwork (98) - I know he was a great teamworker, but 98?? Man, he was a dribbler. And dribblers tend to feint players, not to pass the ball everytime they have it. I'm sick of watching my Cruyff always passing the ball instead of running with her, like he did when he played football. I wouldn't give him more than 94.

Oh and sorry for the bad english :roll:

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1969-1974

Postby Korinov » 2012 Sep 03, 12:06

Teamwork has nothing to do with running on the ball less or more.

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Agree with ballmer in the SA issue btw.

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1969-1974

Postby ballmer » 2012 Sep 03, 12:18

I'd go for something like SA/85/86, ST 93. Can't see him on red.

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1969-1974

Postby retubi » 2012 Sep 03, 12:41

Teamwork has nothing to do with running on the ball less or more.


Soorry about the mistake ... So teamwork is something like ... Forward Runs, right? (desmarcações)

And yes SA is a bit overrated i cant imagine giving him more than 90.

ST should go down to 93-92 . He scored beautifull goals but his shots weren't really accurate when he was under pressure

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1969-1974

Postby Yazid » 2012 Sep 03, 14:38

ST is actually fairly ok even at a red value, although I could see 93-94, SA should be lower, even an orange value is dubious from what I've seen.

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1969-1974

Postby Brezza » 2012 Sep 03, 17:18

Yeah, he was more a scorer of great goals rather than a great goalscorer.. He could probably have similar shooting stats to Maradona.

retubi wrote:Top Speed (86) - You gotta be kidding me. 86? Dude, this guy was SUPER fast. I know that accelaration can cause the illusion of a player looks more faster than he actually is, but still !!! I think 88 is the VERY LEAST we can give to him.


Striker Cruyff at Ajax could be incredibly fast, Ive seen some deep runs from him verging on 90+ for top speed. Thing is Playmaker Cruyff didn't quite that kind of top speed regularly and mostly relied on quick bursts here and there, still retaining his amazing acc and DS off course. Its possible that he could probably be higher when comparing him to other classic players on 86 like Pele for Example.

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1969-1974

Postby jurgens » 2012 Sep 03, 19:19

I know the shooting stats seem weird, but he deserves them imo. Originally I didn't think he did, but the more I watch there was more evidence of real good placement and excusite ST. I've given a lot of leeway with the time though. I mean, ST/SA did not seem to be the same back then, players didn't look like they were anywhere near as good as modern players, I guess the ball played a big part. But cruyff seemed above his time and a stand out, so I think that combined with the fact he scored a tone of goals for ajax is the reason konami went so high with the shooting stats, and we should stay on similar values. Rember that SA is by far the most important stat when deciding how much the AI scores.

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1969-1974

Postby antihero » 2012 Sep 03, 20:06

A real good placer? No. A spectacular finisher? Yes.
But did you have to give him godlike shooting stats to replicate that? Even better than Di Natale?
These stats make him one of the best shooters in history. Which is blatantly untrue.
Just take a look at how many of his goals came from deflected shots.

Also, since when do you give players godlike SA because they score shitloads of goals? Going by that logic, CR7 must have godlike SA.

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1969-1974

Postby jurgens » 2012 Sep 03, 20:17

Di Natale is really inconsistent, and shoots some truly awful shots every season, I never understand why people use as a benchmark when messi is sitting right there, and rarely makes awful shots. Anyway, its wrong to compare them, you can't. I would never, ever give Di Stefano a 90 for SPA compared to modern players, as the game has evolved so much in those regards since that time.

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1969-1974

Postby antihero » 2012 Sep 03, 20:31

I was talking pure stats-wise, not consistency-wise.
While I agree that Di Natale is inconsistent, his stats say the exact opposite - 94/92 SA/ST, condition 7.

The game might have changed, but football wasn't reinvented within the past 40 years. Look at today's Barca playing like 70's Ajax. (with a few tweaks here and there)
If we can't compare classic players to modern players, then by what standard are you rating classic players? Shouldn't we rate them based on the fact that they're in the same game as all the modern players?

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1969-1974

Postby jurgens » 2012 Sep 03, 20:39

Football has totally been reinvented. You just can't compare them to currents players, you'd never seen anyone making 30 yard through balls like today in the 50's, just for an example. Real Classics are given leeway for their technical abilities or else people would go insane, for their time what they did technical wise should be rated within their own league so to say.

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1969-1974

Postby Korinov » 2012 Sep 03, 20:51

The thing with Di Stefano's passing (as well as other players from his age) is that they tended to go a lot for the "shiny" pass rather than the "cold", effective one. That's why when you watch classic matches from the 50s, 60s and even the 60s, you see very skilled players missing passes that today would be considered easy. It's not just the evolution of materials (balls, boots, pitches), but also a trend of the past when classy footballers were supposed (and required by the crowds) to do 'flashy' things from time to time. There's a video in youtube showing the mess-ups of Brazil 1972, some of them are absolutely ridiculous and not what you would expect from players of such quality. Players that were just trying to play beautiful to impress the crowd.

Today, fans just want their team to win (even if it's by wrongly called penalty in the 90th minute) and if a footballer starts playing 'flashy' he'll be labelled as an idiot (look at what happens each time CRonaldo does the 'espaldinha' thing) and his coach will probably skin him alive.

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1969-1974

Postby antihero » 2012 Sep 03, 20:54

Then I can't see how we can have a classic section.
To establish a standard there always have to be enough players you can compare with each other.
There is very little footage from the past and no clear "eras" where you could say "In the 50's football was like this" and "In the 60's football was like that".
Football was never reinvented. There have been changes in style of play, trends, tactics, changes in rules, new player types, positions etc.
However, this shouldn't be taken into account when rating individual skill such as DA, first touch, shooting etc.

When I watch a game from the 80's, I see the same basic things I see in a today's match. It just looks different because they didn't have the technology that is used today in football broadcasting.

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1969-1974

Postby Yazid » 2012 Sep 04, 12:15

Well sure in the 80s, football hasn't advanced that massively far from the 80s, but compared to the 60s, its a completely different game, that's why its easier to create maradona than di stefano. Even the rules have changed since the 60s, football is almost a different game.

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Re: Johan CRUYFF | 1969-1974

Postby reckless » 2012 Sep 27, 00:41

I don't think he deserves 97 dribble accuracy, that's too much. He wasn't as good as Michael Laudrup or Pierre Littbarski in dribbling. 94-95 max.

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