Bobby Charlton | 1956-1958 & 1965-1968

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Bobby Charlton | 1956-1958 & 1965-1968

Postby Brezza » 2008 Dec 10, 19:47

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A survivor of the Munich air disaster, a FIFA World Cup winner, a Knight of the British Empire, but above all a great and an honest player: Bobby Charlton is one of football's true ambassadors, and one of, if not the greatest English player of all time.
He began to play for United's first team in 1956, and over the next two seasons gained a regular place in the team, during which time he survived the Munich air disaster of 1958. After helping United to win the Football League in 1965, he won a World Cup medal with England in 1966 and another Football League title with United the following year. In 1968, he captained the Manchester United team that won the European Cup, scoring two goals in the final to help his team be the first English side to win the competition.

The young Charlton's greatest strengths were his speed, body swerve and his determined drives towards goal from deep. As he flowered as a footballer, he moved up front and became the fulcrum of his team's attack. An outstanding distributor of the ball, he could spray inch-perfect passes around the park, picking out team-mates with astounding accuracy. He also had an absolute ferocious shot that belied his relatively small stature and scored almost a goal every other game in an England shirt. He is still the leading England and Manchester United Goalscorer of all time.


Career in a Glance (appearances - goals):

1954-1973 Manchester United 606, 249
1973-1974 Preston North End 38, 12
1975 Waterford United 31, 18
1958-1970 England 106, 49

1 FA Cup (1963)
1 World Cup winner (1966)
3 League Titles (1957, 1965, 1967)
4 FA Community Shield (1956, 1957, 1965, 1967)
1 European Cup (1968)

Individual honors:

1 European Footballer of the Year (1966)
1 Football Writers' Association Player of the Year (1966)
1 Individual Honours Football Writers' Player of the Year (1967)
1 PFA Merit Award (1974)
Knighthood (1994)
English Football Hall of Fame Inductee (2002)
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Lifetime Achievement Award (2008)


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ADDITIONAL LINKS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Charlton

http://www.ifhof.com/hof/charlton.asp

http://www.planetworldcup.com/LEGENDS/charlton.html

http://www.talkfootball.co.uk/guides/fo ... rlton.html

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/stati ... index.html

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Re: Bobby CHARLTON | 1956-1958

Postby electric_trigger » 2008 Dec 10, 19:58

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Club: Manchester United
Era: 1956-1958
Number: 8
Position: AM*, WF
Nationality: English
Age: 19-21

Foot: R
Side: B

Length: 174
Weight: 72

Attack: 84
Defence: 64
Balance: 78
Stamina: 86
Top Speed: 86
Acceleration: 87
Response: 88
Agility: 86
Dribble Accuracy: 85
Dribble Speed: 85
Short Pass Accuracy: 86
Short Pass Speed: 84
Long Pass Acc.: 85
Long Pass Speed: 84
Shot Accuracy: 86
Shot Power: 95
Shot Technique: 84
Free Kick Accuracy: 84
Curling: 64
Header: 75
Jump: 83
Technique: 85
Aggression: 92
Mentality: 88
Keeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 88
Injury Tolerance: A
Condition/Fitness: 8
Weak Foot Accuracy: 8
Weak Foot frequency: 8


SPECIAL ABILITIES:

*Dribbling
*Positioning
*Reaction
*Passing
*Scoring
*Middle-Shooting
*1-touch pass

Bobby Charlton was a schoolboy prodigy. As a slender 9 year old he dominated contests in which his opponents were 5 years his senior and as a teenager his house was besieged by scouts from leading clubs. After choosing United Bobby emnarked on the first of 3 distinct phases of his career. From 1956-1958 Bobby Charlton played as an attacking nside forward, foraging and scoring goals and there are many who cherish this phase more than his stint in the early 60's 1958-1962 as a winger and the mid 60's 1964-1968 pomp as a playmaker.

At the time of the crash he was keeping the very talented Liam "Billy" Whelan out of the side.

In the 1956-1958 phase he operated with a carefee exuberance which vanished forever after the Munich crash. From 1958 to 1962 he operated as a left winger who thrilled especially when receiving the ball early as he surged along the touchline before cutting in for those awesome strikes.

See also Bobby Charlton 60's.

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Re: Bobby CHARLTON | 1966-1968

Postby POSTER#1 » 2009 Jan 19, 07:36

Brezza,Nov 29 2008, 07:42 PM wrote: I think Shot power is fine as is passing, he was a fantastic distributor of the ball.

What do people think about putting shot Accuracy back to 88 seriolsy his shooting was damn accurate, and it should be on par with fellow All time best goalscoring midfielders like Zico and Platini.

And maybe lower Technique to 86/87?


GoonerLover66 Posted: Nov 30 2008, 11:46 AM wrote:I think that we should probably discuss his Shot Accuracy a bit more before updating it, but the Technique reduction seems fair. I'd also like to propose a lower Stamina, I know that Charlton had a fantastic engine but I don't believe it was equal to that of George Armstrong. And considering that Charlton has a high Mentality, he will be reaping the benefits of the stamina-related areas of Mentality. I'm not proposing a ridiculously low value, but I'd like to see some discussion here.


sencesor Posted: Dec 2 2008, 10:30 AM wrote: 88 s.a. seems fair enough, dont see a reason to change stamina, and what do u think about *one touche ?


Vandeacech Posted: Dec 2 2008, 05:38 PM wrote:Curling should be lower like low 60's he couldn't curl the ball at all and all his shots where deadly straight.


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Re: Bobby CHARLTON | 1966-1968

Postby TheTrueSeto » 2009 Jan 19, 08:11

fishdalf wrote:So you're saying his shot was stronger than Gerrards and Ballacks shots are now? I disagree.


I'm not old enough to be able to watch him, but heck, if his shot really was so terrifying back then, yes, his shots are stronger than Gerrard's or Ballacks ;)

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Re: Bobby CHARLTON | 1966-1968

Postby sencesor » 2009 Jan 19, 14:16

what bout updating s.a. (86 :arrow: 88) as discussed before?

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Re: Bobby CHARLTON | 1966-1968

Postby Alcohomicide » 2009 Jan 19, 16:56

fishdalf wrote:So you're saying his shot was stronger than Gerrards and Ballacks shots are now? I disagree.


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YLXXL36EmJg

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9GUgKXjXUVU

Of course it wasn't. Heavier ball yes, harder shot? No. Not in my opinion.

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Re: Bobby CHARLTON | 1966-1968

Postby sencesor » 2009 Jan 19, 23:05

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Re: Bobby CHARLTON | 1966-1968

fishdalf wrote:
So you're saying his shot was stronger than Gerrards and Ballacks shots are now? I disagree.


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YLXXL36EmJg

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9GUgKXjXUVU

Of course it wasn't. Heavier ball yes, harder shot? No. Not in my opinion.


disagree. was known for his outrageous powerful shots - far stronger then anyone around, back in the day they were playing with rocks... :P

gerrard does have a lethal powerful shot but not so "out of the chart" like old bobby did.

though i agree he (gerrard) could be updated to s.p. 96 from 95, unless the liverpool thread is closed now... :D

for this topic though, i recon that s.p. 98 for "bobby digi - girl u know how is he?" (the RZA... :P ) is just right.


what u guys think bout s.a. suggestion (86 :arrow: 88) ?

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Re: Bobby CHARLTON | 1966-1968

Postby Vandeach » 2009 Jan 20, 20:00

I suggested this before but I suggest a huge drop in curling to about 60 he never curled the ball and always 'smashed it' so to speak, how is it this high?

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Re: Bobby CHARLTON | 1966-1968

Postby sencesor » 2009 Jan 20, 21:55

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Re: Bobby CHARLTON | 1966-1968

I suggested this before but I suggest a huge drop in curling to about 60 he never curled the ball and always 'smashed it' so to speak, how is it this high?


i agree with u bout smashing his shots rather then curling, but he has curl 68, dont u think its low enough?

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Re: Bobby CHARLTON | 1966-1968

Postby Vandeach » 2009 Jan 24, 21:22

When I suggested it was 70-something it probably got lowered after I said. And to answer your question. No it should be lowered further he got absolutely zero curl.

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Re: Bobby CHARLTON | 1966-1968

Postby sencesor » 2009 Jan 24, 22:02

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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:00 pm

I suggested this before but I suggest a huge drop in curling to about 60 he never curled the ball and always 'smashed it' so to speak, how is it this high?


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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:55 pm

i agree with u bout smashing his shots rather then curling, but he has curl 68, dont u think its low enough?


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When I suggested it was 70-something it probably got lowered after I said. And to answer your question. No it should be lowered further he got absolutely zero curl.


Oh, :)

Still, id imagine he used at least a bit of curl for his passing no?

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Re: Bobby CHARLTON | 1966-1968

Postby Vandeach » 2009 Jan 31, 19:51

No never. Not at all otherwise I wouldn't have suggested such a drastic figure.

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Re: Bobby CHARLTON | 1966-1968

Postby sencesor » 2009 Feb 01, 01:09

cool. 8-)

60 it is... :P

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Re: Bobby CHARLTON | 1966-1968

Postby p1rha » 2009 May 24, 00:27

...was known for his outrageous powerful shots - far stronger then anyone around, back in the day ...


i've got to disagree with that ... remeber Eusébio ? :D they played against each other and from what i've seen from man u vs benfica and portugal vs england eusébio shots were more powerful. What i think that as been underated it's his accuracy, really amazing how is shots were so well placed from any range. I've just made a classic shot power today and i noticed they sit together at 98, wich is not fair at all imo.

Bobby Charlton: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLXXL36EmJg
Eusébio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIqrnkKo1Hc
check at 1:45 and the 3 goals after that one

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Re: Bobby CHARLTON | 1966-1968

Postby sencesor » 2009 May 24, 18:13

Xcept from Eusebio... :D

Still, not sure bout lowering SP. really hard to tell, have no problem with both of them standing on 98 tbh.

Bout SA, already posted 3 posts bout it, so u got my vote.. :P agreed with Breeza suggestion to restore his previous stat standing on 88 rather than his current 86.

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Re: Bobby CHARLTON | 1966-1968

Postby p1rha » 2009 May 24, 18:50

I think those videos show the significant diference between the 2... but i'm aware i'll hardly get an agree... Most people here, not all, have never seen a full game of any of the 2 so they go with the tide.

As for SA i'd go for 90 with no regrets ;). Again comparing these two, it seems like Charlton shot could have had even better placment than eusébio's, but eusébio was more deadly in front of goal due to the dribble, shot power, agility and striker instinct.

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Re: Bobby CHARLTON | 1966-1968

Postby sencesor » 2009 May 24, 19:32

Regarding SP, thats not the only shot bobby made right... ;)

But alls good mate :P , respect your opinion which is not farfetched.. :)

Regarding SA, agree that 90 is not farfetched either.. :P

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Re: Bobby CHARLTON | 1966-1968

Postby Plava Čigra » 2009 Jul 29, 23:29

Does anybody knows how strong his shot was in km/h? I wanted to compare one player's SP, that I might be making, with Charlton's SP.

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Re: Bobby CHARLTON | 1956-1958 & 1966-1968

Postby Brezza » 2009 Sep 06, 23:04

1956-1958 set added

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Re: Bobby CHARLTON | 1956-1958 & 1966-1968

Postby Plava Čigra » 2009 Sep 24, 10:19

Maybe his height and weight are wrong? According to this site: http://www.manchesterunited.co.uk/bobbycharlton.html (177 cm and 77 kg)

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