George Best | 1967-1968

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George Best | 1967-1968

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 10, 19:12

Nickname: "El Beatle"

Club: Manchester United



Growth type: Early Peak

"If I had been born ugly, you would never have heard of Pele."

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"I think I've found you a genius" - United scout Bob Bishop's telegram to Matt Busby on 15 year old George Best.
A fantastic dribbler of the ball who beat defenders with ease. First discovered by Manchester United scout Bob Bishop at the age of 15, he was described as a "genius". He was a favourite in the media for his showmanship, skill and celebrity lifestyle. His new found lifestyle which included drinking and gambling lead to discipline problems later in his Manchester United career and in 1974, after 466 appearances and 178 goals, he left United having been their top scorer for six consecutive seasons. This marked the beginning of the end of George Best's career, although he did have further spells with Fulham, Bournemouth and three American clubs.

On the 3rd of October 2005, George Best was admitted to intensive care as a result of his long term alocholism and at 1.05PM on 25th November 2005, he died.

Since, his death George Best has had Belfast City Airport renamed after him and had one million "George Best £5 notes" dedicated to him. George Best has been described as the greatest player to have never played in the world cup and in 1999, he was voted 11th in the IFFHS European Player of the Century election and 16th in the World Player of the Century election. He was named as one of the best players in the world by Pele in the FIFA 100 and was 19th in the UEFA Golden Jubilee Poll.


HONOURS:
Manchester United
Football League Championship Winners Medal: 1965, 1967
UEFA European Cup Winners Medal: 1968

Personal
European Footballer of the Year: 1968
Football Writers' Association Footballer of the Year: 1968
Freeman of Castlereagh: 2002
Inaugural inductee into the English Football Hall of Fame: 2002
Honorary Doctorate from the Queen's University of Belfast: 2001
PFA Special Merit Award, for Services to Football: 2006



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ADDITIONAL LINKS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Best

http://www.ifhof.com/hof/best.asp

http://www.georgebest.com/home/

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Re: George BEST | 1967-1968

Postby Yazid » 2012 Aug 09, 13:34

Suggestions:

DA: 97->98
With Messi rightfully sittin atop of the DA ladder at 99 now, I think it is fair that George Best sits at 98 DA. He had one of the greatest close controls in the history of the game, I think it would be fair that he is above Ronaldinho tbh, particularly with the lower agility value he has.

Acc: 93->94 or 95
Testing 95, it works well but I'm not sure if he warrants a red value. What I do think is that 93 is simply too low for him, he was incredibly explosive with and without the ball.
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Re: George BEST | 1967-1968

Postby ballmer » 2012 Aug 09, 14:52

I think this set is based on one I made for him; it's been tweaked slightly by the looks of it but the changes are good in fact.

I don't think he needs higher personally. I think he had many other attributes that made him amongst the most effective dribblers of all time, but in terms of pure close control, I'm not convinced he's higher.

I'm not sure on a red value for ACC. Maybe. 94 would be fine too I suppose. TS could go down to about 83 though I think. I think I may have overrated his basic off the ball speed.

And LPS could go down. At the time I thought of 79 as a low value, but especially now, with different, more appropriate standards for classics, his LPS could go down to about 73-76 maybe. His crosses regularly only reached the near post and were floaty rather than drilled in. Similarly, SP could go down 1 or 2 points I reckon.
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Re: George BEST | 1967-1968

Postby jurgens » 2012 Aug 27, 18:52

I dunno about more ACC personaly. Agree with lower sps, maybe I went to low on agility.. I didn't find his speed in turns that quick, but more so genius? I mean he could feint one side after the other, just brilliant.. but not very fast. Also I dunno why konami went to so on his balance, it doesn't reprsent him at all. He could easily have higher than his current.
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Re: George BEST | 1967-1968

Postby reckless » 2012 Dec 02, 01:35

He deserves 98 for DA, his close control is just as good as Maradona's if not better.
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Re: George Best | 1967-1968

Postby reckless » 2013 Apr 05, 10:33

Teamwork 83? Come on!

It should be in the 70s, he loved to dribble and shoot.
From the clips I've seen, he only passed as a last resort. Even if he had open teammates he wouldn't pass if he had space to dribble.

I read that he refused to pass to Charlton because they had a bit of a bust up.
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Re: George Best | 1967-1968

Postby adieet » 2013 Apr 05, 12:55

Editor bug, form,teamwork,and mentality have same value as jump.
He have 60 teamwork on the main page. http://pesstatsdatabase.com/PSD/PlayerC ... d=88&Era=5
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Re: George Best | 1967-1968

Postby reckless » 2013 Apr 05, 14:40

That makes sense, he was quite the ball hog.
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Re: George Best | 1967-1968

Postby frshmn » 2013 Apr 05, 15:39

^ Whether or not he's a ball hog has no bearing on his teamwork value - that only accounts for a player's supportive, off the ball movement.
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Re: George Best | 1967-1968

Postby Alex » 2013 Jun 16, 21:34

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FhhhT27KM0
Unbelievable close control. OnlY Messi has better DA, but George Best is so elegant , the most beautiful player to watch on the run IMO. Watching this clip I can't help to notice that he was a very good short passer and of course impressive crosser. I think his passing stats are way to low. But most impressive were the numbers of well placed goals he scored. Truly a complete attacking footballer.
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Re: George Best | 1967-1968

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Re: George Best | 1967-1968

Postby Yazid » 2014 Jan 02, 12:31

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0KLrwmUDg0

Footage of his later years for Fulham vs Hereford, still a genius. Also, Rodney Marsh, what a player, completely underrated on this forum, I'll look to revamp his set soon.
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Re: George Best | 1967-1968

Postby Footballgenius » 2014 Oct 17, 02:17

Is his DA really as good as or better than maradona? I don't know i think m10 could run at speed with a shorter stride eating up less space with each step, which seems kind of natural given his height (although there isn't always a correlation between height and stride length). m10 could take a really lot of tiny touches on a run and I don't think ive seen that to the same level by best, but im willing to change my mind if I see evidence to the contrary. This by the way is something what might make messi the best DA, I remember cruyff said messi takes two or more steps to cover distance the defenders take one step to cover, and the strange thing about messi is how fast he seems to travel doing this.

There was something special about bests balance that I cant describe. He feinted one way or the other in just an effortless way, like jurgens said his turns werent even that quick, but just genius. Really impressive for someone that didn't have a low centre of gravity like messi and maradona (he was like 4 inches taller than maradona)
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Re: George Best | 1967-1968

Postby vinnie » 2014 Oct 17, 09:44

i think this acceleration value is pretty overblown.. he's much closer to a hazard level of burst then a prime messi. Even current Messi looks sharper with his acceleration then the best i saw of 67/68.
here's an example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S_EjrlAIBY&t=2m00s

it's pretty blatant in any example of his dribbling imo.

all in all i think the default classic speed values are pretty bang on from the konami set.. 86 ts 88 acc 87 agi. look at him vs iniesta, both 98 da 89 agi's at prime, but iniesta looks pretty clearly slicker on turns etc.

and about da, would i be against lowering da to 97? not really. Watching Best, i basically see Messi, especially in the style of his dribbling and movement, and especially on his speed when dribbling but the difference is Messi both had a better burst, and Messi was just a step ahead in control in terms of retaining control of the ball after bursting around a defender in full composure, Best loses just a bit of composure after beating one or two players with speed, whereas Messi has no problem continuing his run if he still has the oppurtunity, despite being alot more one footed then Best. Maradona/iniesta are slightly better in DA imo and i would think 97 is kind of fitting. Best has no problem continually beating players if it just comes down to jinking around them with turns and cuts, but if it's the long dribbling runs ala Messi/Maradona, he can't really maze past more then 2 players in a crowd just because of the small difference in the ability to keep control at acceleration and burst. He has no problem dribbling at full speed, or through a gap or channel at full speed and control, but he loses control and momentum when turning at high speed that Maradona/Messi wouldn't.

anyways i think acceleration obviously needs to go down significantly.. agi by just a bit. The topic about DA is mostly pedantic.. but i support a 97 DA. Not much wrong with the 98, i see why it can be supported, but my own view is that a 97 is more fitting. it's hard to explain the significance of a point in any case, but i see a difference here, even if slight.

i've bumped his spa to 87 from an 84 though. i think his passing is really quite nice. that 95 LPA has always been really interesting to me, though i haven't found any really good examples of his long passing. His balance is pretty great as well, looks like konami only really blew it on that aspect.
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Re: George Best | 1967-1968

Postby Messias_24 » 2015 May 07, 23:39

i agree with vinnie,his da should be 97,i mean he is obviously one of the best driblers ever,but in terms of pure close control i think maradonaor or baggio are better.
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Re: George Best | 1967-1968

Postby Crisci » 2015 May 08, 21:17

should have 8/8 weak foot surely? as two footed as Zidane, Cazorla etc.
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Re: George Best | 1967-1968

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Re: George Best | 1967-1968

Postby reckless » 2016 Feb 16, 16:12

I think he definitely deservers 98 DA, unlike Maradona George Best never used punt and run he always kept the ball close to his feet.
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Re: George Best | 1967-1968

Postby Moysís » 2016 Feb 16, 16:44

I'd suggested raising TEC on 97.. his first touch was really impressive. If we look on his control before receiving the ball we can see that ball has been always safely under his feet even in conditions he played (during 60's really in England pitches were been disaster..) in every situations under pressure he could find decision and leave opponent far behind himself in those first meters of play.. Here, he was above Matthews and Garrincha for sure.
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Re: George Best | 1967-1968

Postby Alex » 2017 Nov 05, 16:37

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtY_GIjgwpU
This channel has a few Geoge Best vs X team compilations.

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