DJALMA SANTOS | 1958-1962

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DJALMA SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby Brezza » 2008 Dec 10, 18:21

Name: Djalma Pereira Dias dos Santos

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Growth type: Standard/Lasting

Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Balanced


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A rock-solid right back for the great Brazilian Cup teams of 1958 and 1962, Djalma Santos was the first Brazilian player to make 100 caps and was one of the best and most complete RB's of all time. A physical specimen While primarily known for his defensive skills, he found time to raid down the right flank and was steadfast in support of the attacking game. He was a tough, rugged and uncompromising right back, Known for his soccer sense and intelligence on the pitch, he was often given the role of marking the opponent's fastest wing player, Djalma was also a deadball specialist and the designated penalty taker for Brazil in the early 1960s.

Djalma Santos played in all three of Brazils games in 1954. However, the team were over compensating for their defensive frailties four years before and, without any real attacking sparkle, lost to the great Hungarian side in the quarter finals.

In 1958, it looked as if Santos would be a non-playing member of the squad. However, for the final against Sweden, the Brazilian manager, Feola, called upon Santos to use his excellent positioning skills to mark the winger Skoglund. Brazil won the game 5-2, and lifted the trophy, and despite only playing one game Santos was still voted best right back in the competition

During the 1962 finals, the Brazilian team, with an average age of 30, looked a little old, especially against the pacey Spanish side in the group stages. However, with the help of their rock-solid right back, they won their way through to the final, where they beat Czechoslovakia 3-1. Djalma Santos even set up the third goal.

The defence remained virtually the same for the 1966 World Cup tournament, with Djalma Santos being called into action in the twilight of his career. However, this time they were too old and complacent, believing the cup was theirs by right. They could not overcome the passing of Hungary, and with a little help from well placed kicks by the opposition, Brazil offered only a whimper, and left the tournament after the first stage.

Santos played in 8 of the 9 World Cup matches from 1962 to 1966 (playing at the age of 37 in his final World Cup tournament). Djalma Santos played in four World Cups and was the first Brazilian to make 100 caps. The length of his career is a testament to his skill and shows that he truly was a world class player.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djalma_Santos

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djalma_Santos

http://www.world-cup-betting.me.uk/lege ... santos.htm

http://www.worldfootball.net/spieler_pr ... ma-santos/

http://www.zerozerofootball.com/player/ ... s&menu=esc

http://www.footballdatabase.eu/football ... 79.en.html

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Re: DJALMA SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby Oriello » 2008 Dec 20, 19:08

I was trying compare some players and I just noticed some more silent updates :x XD.

I thought orginally of suggesting the *Penalties star to him on the old forum, as I had read that he was the designated penalty taker of the Brasil team. But I found this web page and it states his club career consisted of 498 matches and 10 goals. So by this coupled with the fact that he was also supposed to be a decent free kick taker, I think he does not have the goal record to prove that he is a specialist at penalties. Now he may actually have been, and it was a case of the forwards robbing him of oppurtunites, He also could have been the designated player just to leave the forwards hungrey for real goals of their own and not to fight amongst each other for spot kicks :P. Djalma along with his three Brazil goals has 13 altogether, even if they were all penalties, not enough I think to warrent the star.

CB I do not think he ever reaaly played as a true central defender, this is all based on what I have read, but he was generally regarded as just a 'right sided defender', so simply a fullback. I understand that you mentioned it on the old forum that he could probably play there if needed in the old Brazil All Star thread, and I agree but I think that is more because he was such a skilled defender and I do not know if he really was played at the centre to warrent it. WB, I have no idea, in that in the 50's fullbacks were pretty much just centrebacks playing wide, I know he was one of the first to be bold and venture forward, but I do not know if Brazil played a wingback sort of system...more that their players took it upon themselves to break free from the shackles of the defensive line of the day. Not sure thoguh.

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Re: DJALMA SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby Peter80000 » 2008 Dec 20, 19:21

Agree to remove the Penalty star.

How about *LONG THROW?

On the site you mentioned it says he was the first Brazilian player to make "Crosses" out of long throws, throwing the ball to the box with his hand strength:

"Desde cedo, Djalma se notabilizou como o primeiro brasileiro a fazer da cobrança de lateral um cruzamento – e os atacantes do seu time corriam para a área adversária a fim de escorar o passe, contando sempre com a força de suas mãos."

"Uma de suas jogadas características era a cobrança dos arremessos laterais com força, para dentro da área, onde havia sempre um companheiro em boa posição para o arremate."

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Re: DJALMA SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby Oriello » 2008 Dec 20, 19:47

:P I was just searching for a goal record, I did not read the entire page, as I cannot read Portugues Brasilero and the google translate butchers the translation, example wht you quoted.

Since early, Djalma if notabilizou as the first Brazilian to make the recovery side of a crossing - and the attackers of his team ran to the opposite field in order to sustain the move, always counting with the strength of their hands. "

"One of his moves characteristics was the collection of pitches with lateral force, into the area, where there was always a companion in a good position to the finish."

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Well since it seems that that is what it reads, and I assume you are you understand the language, I think I can agree. But I would like it if another Portugues or Brazilian were to verify that is exactly what it states, as I have not read this ability of him before. And I do not think I seen it in the limited footage I seen of him. =(

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Re: DJALMA SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby Peter80000 » 2008 Dec 20, 20:16

Oriello wrote::P I was just searching for a goal record, I did not read the entire page, as I cannot read Portugues Brasilero and the google translate butchers the translation, example wht you quoted.

Since early, Djalma if notabilizou as the first Brazilian to make the recovery side of a crossing - and the attackers of his team ran to the opposite field in order to sustain the move, always counting with the strength of their hands. "

"One of his moves characteristics was the collection of pitches with lateral force, into the area, where there was always a companion in a good position to the finish."

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Well since it seems that that is what it reads, and I assume you are you understand the language, I think I can agree. But I would like it if another Portugues or Brazilian were to verify that is exactly what it states, as I have not read this ability of him before. And I do not think I seen it in the limited footage I seen of him. =(


That's what it says, I'm Portuguese ;). I guess my avatar reference is a bit obscure :) . Check this video, minute 3:20. http://memoriagloriosa.blogspot.com/200 ... -1961.html


Here's a quick translation of the text:

"Desde cedo, Djalma se notabilizou como o primeiro brasileiro a fazer da cobrança de lateral um cruzamento – e os atacantes do seu time corriam para a área adversária a fim de escorar o passe - contando sempre com a força de suas mãos." = From early on, Djalma became renowned as the first Brazilian to make crosses out of side trows - and his team's attackers would run to the opponent's area trying to catch the pass - always relying on the strength of his hands.

"Uma de suas jogadas características era a cobrança dos arremessos laterais com força, para dentro da área, onde havia sempre um companheiro em boa posição para o arremate." = One of his characteristic moves was taking side throws with strenght, directing them inside the area, where there was always a mate in good striking position.

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Re: DJALMA SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby Brezza » 2008 Dec 20, 20:24

Ok removed Cb and added *long throw 8-)

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Re: DJALMA SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby Oriello » 2008 Dec 21, 00:25

Peter80000 wrote:That's what it says, I'm Portuguese ;). I guess my avatar reference is a bit obscure :) . Check this video, minute 3:20. http://memoriagloriosa.blogspot.com/200 ... -1961.html

Sorry about that, I usually only give fleeting glances at the avatars ;). I only figured out that Fides' was of the Ajax cup winning team like two weeks ago after seeing a pic on the internet that reminded me of it XD. And how was I supposed to know that Benfica's kit was not the stadnard grey of the day, seemingly worn by most clubs during the era. :P

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Re: DJALMA SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby zguc » 2010 Mar 25, 18:30

Best right back in the history of football

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Acrobat, tense bow and arrows as fast .. soft, lightweight, supple .. fine technique, a great read. he was attacked. perfect long ball. Wise, smart, agile. Charming. Djalma Santos

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What do you think of increasing agility to 85

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EDIT: Thanks man! :D

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Re: DJALMA SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby hsnandra » 2010 Jul 15, 21:57

Should he really have Overlapping Run and Deep Cover as player cards; these cards are a direct contradiction of each other and I'm just curious as to how it would play out in practice.

I sincerely doubt that its possible to have both cards active; one is primarily for attack whilst the other is solely focused on defensive duties.

What exactly will the CPU do in this instance?

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Re: DJALMA SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby zguc » 2010 Jul 31, 13:43

His technique deserves greater value, he was an excellent technician defender. The value of 86 seems best for him.

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Re: DJALMA SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby locoloco » 2011 Mar 13, 22:33

We really have to make it stats higher. For a lot of people, he is the BEST RIGHT BACK EVER, and i see just good players like Gerets, maybe DANIEL ALVES with better stats. Think about it

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Re: DJALMA SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby Keaty22 » 2012 Jul 01, 20:55

Are these in new standards?

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Re: DJALMA SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby Yazid » 2012 Jul 05, 17:26

The greatest right back in the history of the game.

Stamina seems low considering he was able to play into his 40s, presumably he was a monster in this regard.

Its a shame there is so little footage on this guy.

EDIT: Also, apparently he was a god in terms of positioning defensively, he played one game in a world 58 and was the ideal player to mark Sweden's flying left winger Lennart Skoglund. So impressive was Djalma's performance that he was named in the All-Star Team again despite playing only one match.

An strong and intelligent defender, he was frequently used to outwit opposing wingers and remove the danger that they might have posed his team. He was also known to get forward and take charge of dead ball situations, being an excellent striker of free kicks and penalties.

His defence value look too low when compared to e.g. Maldini or Thuram, he is considered arguably the greatest FB in history.

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Re: DJALMA SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby valdemarcareca » 2012 Jul 06, 06:18

Yes, I agree to increase stamina and also think the AGI and its TEC should be abilitadas up, so I tell him "lie down and roll" (Brazilian term that means very easily passed by adversary) over the opponents defenders , gave his hat, put down by the legs, was a dribbler in both.

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Re: DJALMA SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby Yazid » 2012 Jul 06, 14:41

Bobby charlton: 'Santos played for Brazil in four World Cups from 1954 and was the best right-back I ever saw. He was too good to be a full-back, really, he could have played anywhere on the pitch. He always seemed to have so much time on the ball, which is the sign of a really good player. I first saw him play in the 1958 World Cup-winning team, and he was still going in 1966.'

I thought of what I saw of him that defensively he was as good as Thuram on 86 but it seemed a bit too high. Everyone seems to think that he was the greatest defensive right back ever though so I think 86 is easily justified for him. Take his performance against Sweden in the world cup final, he completely shut out Skoglund who was arguably the most dangerous player in the tournament to that point, and got in team of the tourny on that 1 performance. Unreal player.

On those lines, response could be as high as 94-95 territory in that he always reacted quickly to make the tackle against pacey wingers. Those values probably seem excessive, but when you consider Maldini sits on DEF 88, RESP 98 and he is the best left back in history, DEF 86, RESP 94-95 isn't ridiculous for djalma santos, the best defensive RB in history.

EDIT: Looking at the ladders, I would actually prefer 94 RESP for Djalma as I think he is below Baresi and Moore.

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Re: DJALMA SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby valdemarcareca » 2012 Jul 06, 19:38

Yes, maybe 85 in his defense it would be great, but I do not rule 86. How about 85 in his defense?

I think he could win 95 of their RES, but I think a number 92 or 93 would have gladly. Maldini, can earn a red value because he could play quarterback too, so I think 92 or 93 is already good for Djalma Santos. What do you think about it?

But what do you think about your TEC, and on their AGI?
I think they should be slightly increased, mainly TEC!

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Re: DJALMA SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby Brezza » 2012 Jul 09, 20:53

I can agree with higher def but not resposne :D Didn't konami make the Santos' in one of their updates from pes 2010?

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Re: DJALMA SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby valdemarcareca » 2012 Jul 09, 23:48

Brezza wrote:I can agree with higher def but not resposne :D Didn't konami make the Santos' in one of their updates from pes 2010?

I think not!
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Ok, for me, then closed the discussion on the increase of RES!

What can you suggest to DEF?

Any thoughts on the increase in TEC?

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Re: DJALMA SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby u173sb » 2013 Jul 24, 19:20

R.I.P Djalma Santos, one of the best full backs ever :(

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Re: DJALMA SANTOS | 1958-1962

Postby D1OS » 2014 May 01, 11:29

Yazid wrote:Its a shame there is so little footage on this guy.


These don't seem too little to me for a 50's/60's player:

Brazil Vs Sweden - Final (29/06/58)
Brazil Vs Mexico - First Round (30/05/62) | Alternative: Part 1 , Part 2 , Part 3 , Part 4 , Part 5 , Part 6
Brazil Vs Spain - First Round (06/06/62)
Brazil Vs England - Quarterfinal (10/06/62) | Alternative: Part 1 , Part 2 , Part 3 , Part 4 , Part 5 , Part 6
Brazil Vs Chile - Semifinal (13/06/62)
Brazil Vs Czechoslovakia - Final (17/06/62)
France Vs Brazil - Friendly Game (28/04/63) - Part 1 | Part 2 | Alternative
Brasil Vs Portugal 06/05/1962 - Estádio do Pacaembu- São Paulo (Friendly Game Footage)
Centenary Football Association (FA) 1963 - England - Rest of the World : First Half / Second Half
Brazil Vs Bulgaria - First Round (12/07/66)
Hungary Vs Brazil - First Round (15/07/66)

By the way, this set needs a review, some things like TS/ACC, AGI, AGG and even DEF are over the top considering what he used to show in the games I posted above.
And he wasn't exactly someone I would consider as a WB, he was mainly a defensive SB that could also play as a right "CB" ingame in a 3-2-5 system that was used back then (and that's how he played in the '54 WC).

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