László Kubala | 1951-1956

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László Kubala | 1951-1956

Postby as_10 » 2008 Dec 10, 18:07

Name: László Kubala Stecz

Club: FC Barcelona

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Team-----------Seasons - Matches - Goals - Goals per Match
Ganz Torna-------- 1944 -----------9 -----2 -----0.22
Ferencváros------- 1945-1946 ----49 ----33 ----0.67
Bratislava ---------1946-1948----- 36 ----15---- 0.42
Vasas SC ----------1948-1949 -----20 ---10 ----0.50
Pro Patria Calcio-- 1949-1950
FC Barcelona ------1951-1962 -----186 --133 ---0.71
Espanyol------------ 1962-1965 ----29 ---7 -----0.24
FC Zurich -----------1965-1967 ----1----- 0 -----0.00
Toronto Falcons ----1967 ----------19---- 5 -----0.26

TOTAL -----------1944-1967 ----349 --205 ---0.59

FC Barcelona

Kubala signed for CF Barcelona on June 15, 1950 and as part of the deal Ferdinand Daučík also became the FC Barcelona coach. However the ban imposed on Kubala was still in place and he did not make his La Liga debut until 1951. However he was permitted to play friendlies and in two consecutive games against Frankfurter S.V., which FC Barcelona won 4-1 and 10-4, he scored six goals and set-up another five. He also played in the Copa del Generalísimo and helped the club win the trophy in 1951.

In his first season in Primera División, 1951-52, Kubala scored 26 goals in 19 games. This included 7 goals in a 9-0 win over Sporting de Gijón, 5 against Celta de Vigo and hat-tricks against Sevilla CF and Racing de Santander. He also scored in the Copa final as CF Barcelona beat Valencia CF 4-2. This season proved to be one of the clubs most successful. Coach Daucik and Kubala, together with players like Emilio Aldecoa, Velasco, Joan Segarra and Ramallets, inspired the team to win five different trophies including La Liga, the Copa del Generalisimo, the Copa Latina and the Copa Eva Duarte. Kubala missed much of the 1952/53 season after contracting tuberculosis, which threatened to end his playing career. However he made a miraculous recovery and returned to help CF Barcelona retain both La Liga and the Copa del Generalísimo. He also scored again in the Copa final win, a 2-1 win over Athletic Bilbao.

In 1958 Kubala persuaded two fellow Hungarian refugees, Sándor Kocsis and Zoltán Czibor to join him at CF Barcelona and together with a young Luis Suárez and Evaristo, they formed the nucleus of the team that won a La Liga/Copa del Generalísimo double in 1959 and a La Liga/Fairs Cup double in 1960. However Kubala found himself out of favour with coach Helenio Herrera and lost his place in the team. As a result he missed the 1960 European Cup semi-final against Real Madrid which CF Barcelona lost 6-2 on aggregate. The result saw Herrera lose his job and Kubala restored to the team. In the 1961 European Cup, CF Barcelona became the first club to beat Real Madrid in the competition. Inspired by Kubala they won 4-3 on aggregate and subsequently reached the final were they lost to SL Benfica 3-2. Kubala briefly retired as a player in 1961 and initially became a youth coach at CF Barcelona before becoming coach of the senior team for the 1962/63 season. However after losing a Fairs Cup game to Red Star Belgrade he was dismissed.

International career

Kubala played for three different international teams - Czechoslovakia, Hungary and Spain. While playing with ŠK Slovan Bratislava, he played 6 times and scored 4 goals for Czechoslovakia between 1946 and 1947. After returning to Budapest in 1948, he played 3 games for Hungary but failed to score. After adopting Spanish nationality he played 19 times and scored 11 goals for Spain between 1953 and 1961. The highlight of his international career was a hat-trick for Spain against Turkey in 3-0 win in November 1957. Despite playing for three different countries, Kubala never played in the finals of a major international tournament. He was included in the Spain squad for the 1962 World Cup but, along with Alfredo Di Stefano, he did not play due to injury.

As well as playing for three different international teams, Kubala also played for both a Europe XI and the Catalan XI. On October 21, 1953, England played a Europe XI at Wembley Stadium to celebrate the 90th anniversary of the FA and Kubala scored twice in the 4-4 draw. He also played 4 games and scored 4 times for the Catalan XI. On January 26, 1955 in a game against Bologna at Les Corts, he was joined by guest player Alfredo Di Stefano. The Catalan XI won 6-2 with two goals from Kubala and one from Di Stefano. His last game for the Catalan XI was his own testimonial on March 4, 1993 at the Montjuïc Stadium against an International XI. He played the opening ten minutes of the game.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A1szl%C3%B3_Kubala

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A1szl%C3%B3_Kubala

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D1% ... 0%B0%D0%B2

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... opup&ino=9

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2002/may ... nglanville

http://www.barcaforum.com/showthread.ph ... lao-Kubala

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Re: Ladislao KUBALA | 1954-1955

Postby as_10 » 2009 Jan 05, 15:10

LADISLAO KUBALA

Laszlo Kubala Stecz (Ladislao Kubala), (Budapest, 10 de juny del 1927 - Barcelona, 17 de Maig del 2002) va ser un futbolista i entrenador de futbol d'orígen hongarès, de 1,76 m d'alçada i 82 kg de pes, considerat un dels millors jugadors de la història (juntament amb Di Stéfano, Pelé, Cruyff i Maradona) i una de les més rellevants figures de la història del FC Barcelona.

my height/weight was wrong :oops:

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Re: Ladislao KUBALA | 1954-1955

Postby Xyder » 2009 Jan 10, 11:11

The Camp Nou was built to see him playing football, with this we can make an idea of him, and I think he is a little bit underrated.
His attack could be upped in 1~2 points, an excellent poacher make a lot of goals just near the net.
His correct height/weight seems that need a raise of BB, 88~89.
Response, he was one of the most intelligent players of his times, need to be in demigod region, maybe 92~93.
His shooting stats could be raised, SA need to be in the God region, maybe 95~96, I think he is better than Di Stefano in this term, SP in orange numbers, like 90 sounds fine and ST 94~95 'cause he can shoot rounded by defenders.
Aggresion too, he goes to attack easily, not like Koccis, but 1 or 2 points over than current value, like 88~89.
Mentality upped too to orange range, like 90~92, 'cause he apart of be a top scorer helps to the team a lot, not like Di Stefano, but one step down.
WFF 7, 'cause he uses the both legs to dribble and score, in the video we can see that.
Consistency 8, he always play fine, he never deceb his fans in a field.
Finally IMO he deserves the Penalties star and 1-touch pass, the first 'cause talking with my grandpa and other old men, he tolds me he can beat the keeper before he shoots the penalty, and rarely misses, and second he can perform great volleis and other tricky shoots without controlling the ball.

I know that it's an amazing update, but for a great part of the people, Kubala was one of the best players of all times, only Di Stefano was better in the 50's, but some other players from that time have more repercussion than Kubala with the half of his abilities.
An amazing field was built to see him play 'cause the other fields were little for the all people that want see him play, remember that.

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Re: Ladislao KUBALA | 1954-1955

Postby as_10 » 2009 Jan 10, 12:32

ok let me sum your suggestions(for lazy users like me :roll: ) are:

ATT: 93-94
BB: 88-89
RESP: 92-93
SA: 95-96
SP: 90
ST: 94-95
AGG: 88-89
MENT: 90-92
WFF: 7
Consistency: 8
*Penalties
*1-touch

i agree with ATT, RESP, SP, AGG, MENT, WFF, Cons and the stars
for the rest, im not sure if his shooting abilities should be godlike, i'd say something like Di Stefano, and BB could go up, as he was very very strong for his length, but dunno if that near the WC

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Re: Ladislao KUBALA | 1954-1955

Postby Oriello » 2009 Jan 24, 04:52

Xyder I read that the Camp Nou was already planned for as Barcelona had gained such popularity over the years and exceeded the capacity of les corts, that it was Kubala's abilities that simply forced the club to build it sooner than excpected, to capitalize on his popularity. I do not think it was Kubala's abilities that dictated that astronimically expensive stadium be built, he simply accelerated the process. ;)

Yes he was a remarkable footballer, but he already is one hell of a player with the current stats in PES, but I do agree with some of the increases.

ATT: 93 Agreed, do not know if he was a pure poacher but this value is already astonishngly high for a midfielder so this really should be the maximum.
BB: 88 Agree looked to be very strong for his size, was holding the ball really well. If as_10 does not want him too high as not to be world class in this regard then maybe we can all compromise to an 87?
RESP: 90 Agreed his 'intelligence' could use a boost but I do not want to place him over Cruijff or Deyna both who were had brilliant footballing minds.
SA: 95-96 Disagree, from the videos there was only really one shot into a corner the rest were really just on target and went in by power, I actually think like as_10 his shooting is fine.
SP: 90 Maybe, though not 100% sure it was actually this hard but wikipedia states him to be reknowned for it, just in all the footage I watched I only saw two power strikes and neither screamed that he had a cannon of a shot, maybe 89 would be good enough?
ST: 94-95 Disagree
AGG: 88 Agree
MENT: 90-92 Disagree, you mentioned "cause he apart of be a top scorer helps to the team a lot, not like Di Stefano, but one step down". Well being top scorer and Mentality do not really depend on one another, and if you meant that he drops deep into midfield to defend like Di Stefano did then 85 is already a high value, I am not 100% convinced Kubala was that much of a battler, Di Stefano was really just unique in this respect.
WFF: 7 Disagree, he did use his left but when he dribbled it was not interchanging between left and right, and he favoured the right foot more to maintain control.
Consistency: 8 Agree
*Penalties Agreee
*1-touch Agree

Additional Suggestions
Top Speed: 84 Looked a tad slower than 85 speed players, and not a distance runner, good powerful accelration is what seemed to define him rather than raw pace that could burn players.
Dribble Speed: 92-93 One of the videos he has very quick feet, I am a bit suprised no one already suggested a value around this, not exactly god like speed like messi, but his feet always seemed to be dancing with the ball and at 93 with 84/85 Top Speed he still will not be ferociously fast.
Agility: 94-95 This is the other thing I noticed in that and the other videos he is very twisty turny, actually seems to be the definition of that does he ever stand still :lol: . But really this is where he seems to be underrated the most for me, very similar to Garrincha in how turns on the ball, probably not as good as Garrincha but he is larger. :P

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Re: Ladislao KUBALA | 1954-1955

Postby as_10 » 2009 Jan 24, 11:26

i agree with you Oriello, great work

BTW, could you update his height/weight please? :)
LADISLAO KUBALA

Laszlo Kubala Stecz (Ladislao Kubala), (Budapest, 10 de juny del 1927 - Barcelona, 17 de Maig del 2002) va ser un futbolista i entrenador de futbol d'orígen hongarès, de 1,76 m d'alçada i 82 kg de pes, considerat un dels millors jugadors de la història (juntament amb Di Stéfano, Pelé, Cruyff i Maradona) i una de les més rellevants figures de la història del FC Barcelona.


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Re: Ladislao KUBALA | 1954-1955

Postby Oriello » 2009 Jan 24, 17:52

Updated height weight. ;)

So summary of suggestions that as_10 seems to agree with on entirely with me, so 'for lazy users like most of us :P' ;

Attack: 93
Balance: 87 -- with as_10 for the a non World Class value due to the new weight of 82 kg, Xyder you okay with this?
Top Speed: 84
Response: 90
Dribble Speed: 92
Agility: 95
Shot Power: 89-90
Aggression: 88
Consistency: 8
*Penalties
*1-touch

Would like one more agree to modify the first post, and Xyder I would like to see if you are okay with the changes.

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Re: Ladislao KUBALA | 1954-1955

Postby Xyder » 2009 Jan 24, 18:28

Agree with your suggesyions Oriello, good analysis

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Re: Ladislao KUBALA | 1954-1955

Postby Oriello » 2009 Jan 25, 21:36

Oops forgot to post, "updated". This is more for ravlee so he can keep track of changes and make them in his excel ladder thing. ;)

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Re: Ladislao KUBALA | 1954-1955

Postby Fevernova » 2010 Mar 29, 19:46

Nicely done! He seems to emulate that heavily built blondie from Budapest pretty well, as_10 and Co. ;)

For cards, I´d go with:

CARDS:
P05 – Trickster
P07 – Mazing Run
P15 – Goal Poacher
P20 – Talisman
S01 – Reaction
S02 – Passer
S03 – 1-on1 Finish
S04 – PK Taker
S05 – 1-touch play

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Re: Ladislao KUBALA | 1954-1955

Postby Brezza » 2010 Mar 30, 20:05

Updated ;) Also changed registered position, he was more of a forward than a midfielder.

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Re: Ladislao KUBALA | 1954-1955

Postby Fevernova » 2010 Mar 31, 15:39

Thanks, Brezz, it feels great to get players like this updated, he looks much better now. ;)

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Re: Ladislao KUBALA | 1954-1955

Postby zguc » 2010 May 03, 08:54

Elegant, exquisite, sir.
His technique was more sophisticated than Di Stefano. He said: "If it was a demonstration of the ball, then did not call Alfredo, they called me.
Strong legs, broad-shouldered, bosomy, super technician, a great man. Academics football. All he had done in the game to high purity. Without exaggeration, the supreme pleasure, to art. Kubala and football chair, Querer (want to), saber (to know), poder (power).

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Re: Ladislao KUBALA | 1954-1955

Postby scotttt » 2010 May 03, 09:27

well said :)

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Re: Ladislao KUBALA | 1954-1955

Postby zguc » 2010 May 03, 09:44

Another anecdote is about Kubala...
About his technique has another statement:
"After fled Czechoslovakia, I was in Italy. The Pro Patria. And they were all fascinated with my juggling. A ball one afternoon I was just listening. She is mine and mine alone. The entire workout I just turned the ball. Club president, obviously gambler, a millionaire strokes, came to me and says: Kubala, I give you a watch, if you hit the ball 400 times and that it is none upon the earth. I laughed. He thought I was joking. I took the ball and beat the feet , head, knees exactly 400 times and that she fell to the lawn. And the watch was mine.
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Re: Ladislao KUBALA | 1954-1955

Postby jfb33 » 2010 May 28, 04:19

Which FK style should I give to him?

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Re: Ladislao KUBALA | 1954-1955

Postby mr paul » 2011 Mar 14, 22:53

This one multi-ethnical mo fo :D

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Re: Ladislao KUBALA | 1954-1955

Postby sergi_16 » 2011 Jul 19, 13:27

It was the first player to throw over the barrier (FKA)
FKA: 99~96

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Re: Ladislao KUBALA | 1954-1955

Postby Uzair » 2011 Jul 19, 19:26

that post doesn't really make sense. is there any other way you can word your post? :?

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Re: Ladislao KUBALA | 1954-1955

Postby Xyder » 2011 Jul 19, 19:33

sergi_16 wrote:It was the first player to throw over the barrier (FKA)
FKA: 99~96


Are you fuckin' kiddin' us?

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