Stanley Matthews | 1946-1948

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Stanley Matthews | 1946-1948

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 10, 16:30

Nicknames: *The Wizard of the Dribble* | *The Magician*

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Growth type: Standard/Lasting

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Re: Stanley MATTHEWS | 1948/1957

Postby POSTER#1 » 2008 Dec 10, 16:34

Important Discussion:

Mr RVN Posted: Jun 20 2008, 12:15 PM wrote:Love the stats, but how come he's got 95 in Mentality? I'm no expert on old english players, but I never recalled Matthews as a Gattuso style hound...

...But I could be wrong. Not having a go, I'd just like an explanation, that's all. :)


Uzair Posted: Jun 20 2008, 12:34 PM wrote:well, he did seem a very hard worker and he carried on playing at the top level well into his 40's, when mentality starts to come into play more. i guess a red figure would make him too much of a 'hound'. i could lower it...


Mr RVN Posted: Jun 20 2008, 12:48 PM wrote:No, you don't have to change it, like I said my knowledge on the ages old legends like Matthews is very limited, so I'll let more informed people like yourself take the lead here. :)
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Re: Stanley MATTHEWS | 1948/1957

Postby andymufc » 2009 Dec 10, 12:00

Apparently he was the greatest dribbler of all time according to my garandad
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Postby experty » 2010 Jul 27, 20:06

I heard histories that Stanley Matthews was very very fast. And he had an impressive fitness for that time.
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Postby CDDRodrigo » 2010 Sep 24, 18:48

And that's very well represented by his current stats.
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Re: Stanley MATTHEWS | 1947-1957

Postby Xyder » 2011 Apr 23, 23:40

To the ones who knows better english football history than me, he fits on the S14 - Speed Merchant card? And his PES2011 are the same than PES2010 but adding the shoulder feint skills and possibly, the speed merchant card...
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Re: Stanley MATTHEWS | 1947-1957

Postby Brezza » 2011 Apr 24, 19:06

Shoulder feint skills is a dead cert as its essentially the Matthews feint, he could also have side stepping skills for improved sideways dribbling, rolling your foot over the ball side way step overs etc.

I wouldn't give him the new speed merchant, he doesn't quite have that weird slalom running style Konami have given players with that card. It should be a rarely assigned card for extraordinary Messi/Maradona like dribblers, that are quite diminutive and have near god region Agility, Dribble accuary and dribble speed. I don't even think it suits Ronaldinho tbh, as it makes him move exactly like Messi despite his height so he moves pretty weird and too cartoon like in the game. The only classic players that have it so far that I know of are Maradona, Littbarski, Hatzipanagis and Cruyff ( not sure about Cruyff btw). Paulo Futre and Mágico González could maybe have it as well.

As for Matthew's stats id probably lower ACC by two points. I don't think he had a better burst than Garrincha, agression looks a bit too close to him as well. Dribble speed could maybe be even lower.
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Re: Stanley MATTHEWS | 1947-1957

Postby Xyder » 2011 Apr 25, 01:04

Thanks Brezza for answer my question. Have you aplied your suggestions or only notice them waiting for some agree?
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Re: Stanley MATTHEWS | 1947-1957

Postby Alex » 2012 Jan 11, 22:48

His DA seems to high in my opinion. At the same level with Maradona?
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Re: Stanley MATTHEWS | 1947-1957

Postby Brezza » 2012 Jan 12, 23:06

It could possibly go down, I don't think they can be compared though.. I tried putting together a revised dribbling ladder but its quite hard to really define players at the top (97-99 range) across multiple eras. They all have varying evolving styles so agility and DS should be considered as well.

Firstly you have incredible tricksters like Ronaldinho who combined amazing trickery agility imagination, kind of an evolution of Rivelino but at higher speeds. You have Pele, an athlete ahead of his time who ran with the ball attached to either instep so he could effectively sprint and turn with the ball instantly.. Inter Ronaldo who was probably the best manipulator of the ball ive ever seen but probably overrated slightly in terms of agility.

You then have the likes of Best, Cruyff who caressed the ball and beat men through reaction time and speed/ thought and action, with the ball almost incidental.

Maradona and Messi are mostly recognized as the two best ever as they basically run with the ball attached to his left foot in the similiar gambetta fashion taking the most touches with the ball at their feet than anyone, but then Omar Sivori was the creator of this style but in a less mus'cular fashion and at lower speeds, so should he have lower DA than them.?.

Garrincha and Matthews style was also different. They would carry the ball glued to the curve of their foot but usually slowed down on the ball and beat men with their waist and his shoulders and quick burst of acceleration; Garrincha sort of applied this method at greater speed; So I think maybe speed and agility are more overrated than DA for now.
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Re: Stanley MATTHEWS | 1947-1957

Postby Edward Teach » 2012 Mar 12, 13:23

Reading his autobiography at the moment and he makes reference, especially in the 1953 cup run, that he was prone to dropping deeper, 'roaming' and switching wings when the left back was proving tough. Certainly did it in 2 of the cup games and you would imagine he would have done it at other times too.

Perhaps Both sides, rather than just Right sided?
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Re: Stanley MATTHEWS | 1947-1957

Postby Yazid » 2012 Aug 28, 12:01

Brezza wrote:It could possibly go down, I don't think they can be compared though.. I tried putting together a revised dribbling ladder but its quite hard to really define players at the top (97-99 range) across multiple eras. They all have varying evolving styles so agility and DS should be considered as well.

Firstly you have incredible tricksters like Ronaldinho who combined amazing trickery agility imagination, kind of an evolution of Rivelino but at higher speeds. You have Pele, an athlete ahead of his time who ran with the ball attached to either instep so he could effectively sprint and turn with the ball instantly.. Inter Ronaldo who was probably the best manipulator of the ball ive ever seen but probably overrated slightly in terms of agility.

You then have the likes of Best, Cruyff who caressed the ball and beat men through reaction time and speed/ thought and action, with the ball almost incidental.

Maradona and Messi are mostly recognized as the two best ever as they basically run with the ball attached to his left foot in the similiar gambetta fashion taking the most touches with the ball at their feet than anyone, but then Omar Sivori was the creator of this style but in a less mus'cular fashion and at lower speeds, so should he have lower DA than them.?.

Garrincha and Matthews style was also different. They would carry the ball glued to the curve of their foot but usually slowed down on the ball and beat men with their waist and his shoulders and quick burst of acceleration; Garrincha sort of applied this method at greater speed; So I think maybe speed and agility are more overrated than DA for now.


This is a great point, it is tough to rate them on different dribble styles. This is the current ladder:

Messi - 99
Maradona - 98
Matthews - 98
Garrincha - 98
Figo - 98
Best - 97
Cruyff - 97
Ronaldinho - 97
Zidane - 97
Iniesta - 97
Rivelino - 97
Ronaldo - 97
Sivori - 97
Pele - 96
Kubala - 96
Laudrup - 96
Baggio - 96

What changes what you suggest just glancing at that list if any?
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Re: Stanley MATTHEWS | 1947-1957

Postby Alex » 2012 Aug 28, 13:02

Messi- 99
Maradona-98
Dobrin-98
Matthews-98
Garrincha-98
Figo-98
Ronaldinho-97
Zidane-97
Magico Gonzales-97
Rivelino-97
Sivori-97
Sekularac-97
Ronaldo-97
Sindelar-97
Iniesta-97
George Best-97
Cruyff-97
Prosinecki-97
Ortega(classic)-97
Denilson(classic)-97
Maradona(1994)-96
Ronaldinho(milan)-96
Ronaldinho(current)-96
Baggio-96
Pele-96
Ademir Da Guia-96
Kubala-96
Stojkovic-96
Laudrup(Barcelona)-96
Jimmy Johnstone-96
Milos Milutinovic-96
Stjepan Bobek-96
Savicevic-96
Jay-Jay Okocha-96
I think I may have missed some. I would put Pele back at 98,Zidane and Iniesta at 98,replace George Best and Matthews(Best at 98 an Matthews at 97) and put Dobrin at 97.
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Re: Stanley MATTHEWS | 1947-1957

Postby Yazid » 2012 Aug 28, 14:50

The problem is you can't just look at it in black and white like that with all players, because some are real dribblers who use speed alongside accuracy, and some have higher tech etc.
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Re: Stanley MATTHEWS | 1947-1957

Postby Brezza » 2012 Sep 03, 18:46

Yeah that was the point I was trying to come across with my above post, really hard to compare and to say who is better in some cases due to different styles. Matthews still had insane control but with far less DS then more modern players, could probably have a similar DS to Figo.

Konami actually gave him 99 DA but with pretty low TS and DS (75 & 72) In which might suit the style of football back then? It was pretty old Pes version though.

Even agility is hard to compare to modern players. His shimming and side shuffling was quick but then its not like he really 'turned' with the ball. Dunno really, lower ds shouldnt make the A.I do that

The current dribbling ladder looks fine to me Imo .maybe Dobrin on 97 and Iniesta on 98.
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Re: Stanley MATTHEWS | 1947-1957

Postby Yazid » 2012 Sep 04, 12:18

yeah, I agree with Dobrin for 97 DA.
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Re: Stanley Matthews | 1947-1957

Postby BelloMina » 2014 Jun 18, 00:20

Im glad theres a set for him, my grandfather allways talks to me about this dude... aparantely he was a world class drible and had an amazing control of the ball... its nice having that is showed in this stats....
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Re: Stanley Matthews | 1947-1957

Postby blumbas » 2017 Feb 06, 23:23

I'd consider for him 99 DA. From limited footage I've seen his close control looks extremely impressive. He's not as explosive and agile as Garrincha, but his accuracy is up there with anybody.
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Re: Stanley Matthews | 1947-1957

Postby Moysís » 2017 Feb 07, 15:56

No I don't think he needs max value here, even this number is for me a bit too high tbh.. he was famous in those dribblings on the right, where he was really successful, it were almost impossible to defend his movements on the right, but looking only how good he was in pure close ball control on long distances I don't think he should be on pair with Georgie or Diego.
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Re: Stanley Matthews | 1947-1957

Postby Vickingo » 2017 Feb 07, 16:26

Well I was curious about him and how good he can be and sinceraly I wasn't impressed at all about his da. Take this with a pinch of salt because I didn't watch full matches (did you watch any? I'd really want to do it but couldn't find)

I mean, I watched all the footage of his gameplays available on YouTube and couldn't even find one example of 98 in da...that number is even over current Messi (who i think must be higher than curren number btw) but still I didn't even find a player with orange da. I was more impressed about his acceleration which seemed reds and highly superior to any player he faced. Also I find much more better than his da, his agility, he had nice turns and quick movements instead of a great dribbling in tiny spaces. Also couldn't find any red tech either red lpa example...so I'd like to have some proof to support those god numbers, just sayin'

He used to make almost every time this action: https://youtu.be/lOGNXuie5IQ?t=80

For sure he was great at that time but I feel this set was made with the past argument in PSD about what people used to read and what granpa said about him..."he was better dribbler than Maradona and Messi together" but when you go to watch him, he's not even a half of current professional top players. I could be wrong but I think we should consider all of this and consider that this set wasn't touched in years, not saying that's not a good set at all...but you get the point.

Also era is ridicously long

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