Frank BARSON | 1919-1920

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Frank BARSON | 1919-1920

Postby Jokeer » 2009 Jun 21, 18:46

Name: Frank Barson

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Club: Aston Villa
Number: -
Position: *DMF, CB
Nationality: English _eng
Age: 28-29 (10/04/1891)
Era: 1919/1920

Foot: R
Side: B

Height: 186 cm
Weight: 77 kg

Attack: 64
Defence: 83
Balance: 92
Stamina: 86
Top Speed: 74
Acceleration: 73
Response: 78
Agility: 67
Dribble Accuracy: 68
Dribble Speed: 69
Short Pass Accuracy: 68
Short Pass Speed: 77
Long Pass Accuracy: 77
Long Pass Speed: 82
Shot Accuracy: 63
Shot Power: 89
Shot Technique: 71
Free Kick Accuracy: 65
Curling: 61
Header: 93
Jump: 85
Technique: 74
Aggression: 67
Mentality/Tenacity: 92
Goalkeeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 85

Injury Tolerance: A
Form/Condition/Fitness: 7
Weak Foot Accuracy: 4
Weak Foot Frequency: 4
Consistency: 6
Growth type: Standard/Lasting

PES 2011 CARDS:
P02: Anchor Man
P12: Enforcer
S07: Marking Man

PES 2010 CARDS:
P04: Anchor Man
P14: Enforcer
S07: Marking Man

SPECIAL ABILITIES:
*Marking

PES 2011 / 2010 Attack/Defence Awareness Card: Defence Minded


INFO:

Barson was a 1920s Stuart Pearce - feared for his biting tackles and competitive spirit, but admired for his ability on the ball. "He developed a reputation for dirty play and was often booed and bated by opposing supporters."

Frank Barson was probably the most controversial footballer of his day. Barrel-chested and with a broken, twisted nose he was a giant amongst centre-halves. A blacksmith by trade, his one failing was that he hardly knew his own strength and was apt to be over impetuous. His desire to always be in the thick of the fray brought him into many conflicts with the game's authorities.

On one occasion Barson's hard tackling resulted in a seven month ban; after a game, he often needed a police escort to protect him from angry opposition fans.

One of these goals, against Aston Villa on 26 December 1921, was described by contemporary accounts as a candidate for the longest-distance header ever scored.

Barson was regarded as a "hard man" of English football. The Times notes that "On frequent occasions Barson was escorted out of grounds by policemen to protect him from groups of angry opposition fans." Opposing crowds loathed him, forcing Barson to publicly defend himself on the grounds that he had been "brought up to play hard and saw nothing wrong with an honest to goodness shoulder charge." One violent challenge in a match against Fulham resulted in a seven month ban.


HONOURS:

Club
Aston Villa:
FA Cup - 1920


ADDITIONAL LINKS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Barson

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/MANUbarsonF.htm

http://manchesterunitedlegends.wordpress.com/2009/12/27/frank-barson-1922-1928-152-goals-4-goals/

http://heroesandvillains.net/index.php?topic=49.0

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Re: Frank BARSON | 1919-1920

Postby sencesor » 2009 Jun 21, 19:37

Hard & handsome.. :P looks like a Must for Hardmen All Star dream team. ;)

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Re: Frank BARSON | 1919-1920

Postby NoSecurity90 » 2009 Jun 22, 14:11

Are you sure about his height, cause Wikipedia says that he was 208cm tall!

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Re: Frank BARSON | 1919-1920

Postby Jokeer » 2009 Jun 22, 14:40

I think 208 cm is too high for a player in his time ...
On the website "Spartacus" (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/MANUbarsonF.htm), it's noted his height and it's 6 feet (186 cm)

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Re: Frank BARSON | 1919-1920

Postby as_10 » 2009 Jun 22, 15:28

Second player from before the 30's that has BB 99, looks it was full of monsters back then :lol:

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Re: Frank BARSON | 1919-1920

Postby prosser2k10 » 2009 Nov 14, 14:38

William fatty foulke deserves it & he's from sheffield (i think) lots of fat fuckers here :P but just cause this guy is a psycho should he have BB:99 :?:

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Re: Frank BARSON | 1919-1920

Postby Plava Čigra » 2009 Nov 15, 04:37

Jokeer wrote:Barson was a 1920s Stuart Pearce - feared for his biting tackles and competitive spirit, but admired for his ability on the ball." Barson developed a reputation for dirty play and was often booed and bated by opposing supporters.
Frank Barson was probably the most controversial footballer of his day. Barrel-chested and with a broken, twisted nose he was a giant amongst centre-halves. A blacksmith by trade, his one failing was that he hardly knew his own strength and was apt to be over impetuous. His desire to always be in the thick of the fray brought him into many conflicts with the game's authorities.
On one occasion Barson's hard tackling resulted in a seven month ban; after a game, he often needed a police escort to protect him from angry opposition fans.
One of these goals, against Aston Villa on 26 December 1921, was described by contemporary accounts as a candidate for the longest-distance header ever scored.
Barson was regarded as a "hard man" of English football.[3] The Times notes that "On frequent occasions Barson was escorted out of grounds by policemen to protect him from groups of angry opposition fans." Opposing crowds loathed him, forcing Barson to publicly defend himself on the grounds that he had been "brought up to play hard and saw nothing wrong with an honest to goodness shoulder charge."[4] One violent challenge in a match against Fulham resulted in a seven month ban.


1. Correct name of his position is half back. You've gave him *DMF and CB (which is as accurate as you/we could get) but you've written wrong info in the text. Half back was a player in charged of opposition winger and beside that he cutted their attacking centre half's balls in free space towards winger(s) (centre half was a player who distributed balls and organize his team game; he was also involved in some of the defensive tasks). This system of positions was used in Pre WWII football (although some teams used it in the first couple of years after the WWII).


2.
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In 1922, he was transferred to Manchester United for a fee of £5,000. He spent an injury-plagued six years at Old Trafford, making 140 League appearances and scoring four goals for the club. While Barson's United appearances were punctuated by injury, when he did play he was known for his on-field leadership, being selected as captain and helping United to win promotion at the end of 1924–25. For gaining promotion he was given a pub in Manchester. At the time he was regarded as a hero, but Barson was so sick of such attention that on the opening night of his pub he gave the business to his head waiter. He then joined Watford in May 1928.


Source: Wikipedia

Although in his Villa days, he wasn't prone to injuries, in MU days he was very prone. This only shows that Injury Tolerance: A should be Injury Tolerance: B, because he was no Superman (maybe the other players were scared to tackle him too hard, when he was in Villa :mrgreen: ).

Since this is one of the classic, Pre WWII players and we have no videos of him, I think that the other part I've bold gives enough info to raise his Teamwork. He couldn't be good captain without, at least, decent Teamwork (not an orange or red area, but maybe 85, although I'm not sure about precise value).

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Interesting thing about this player is that he played until he was 44 years old, managing to play on, at least, solid level in every club he played for (according to Wikipedia).

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Re: Frank BARSON | 1919-1920

Postby Jokeer » 2010 Feb 18, 21:17

Updated to new format.

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Re: Frank BARSON | 1919-1920

Postby GlennB » 2011 Jan 10, 18:21

He definitely wasn't 6'10" high as some sites have suggested, not unless was seated in this picture:

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According to this site he was 6'1" (185cm) and 12st 10lb (77kg). If thats correct then I dont think 99 balance is accurate.

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Re: Frank BARSON | 1919-1920

Postby Plava Čigra » 2011 Jan 10, 18:39

Added another (better) picture to the first post, thanks to GlennB.

Added PES 2011 cards.

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Re: Frank BARSON | 1919-1920

Postby bssm » 2011 Jan 24, 02:59

seriously 99 balance, the guy is barely over 6ft and under 13 stone, he doesn't even look that well built.

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Re: Frank BARSON | 1919-1920

Postby GlennB » 2011 Jan 24, 19:55

bssm wrote:seriously 99 balance, the guy is barely over 6ft and under 13 stone, he doesn't even look that well built.


Agreed.

Heres his balance in comparison to some other (heavier) players of the same height:

Frank Barson: 185cm / 77kg / 99 Balance
Martin Keown: 185cm / 84kg / 90 Balance
Brian Labone: 185cm / 85kg / 88 Balance
Neville Southall: 185cm / 89kg / 87 Balance
Gary McAllister: 185cm / 80kg / 87 Balance
Steve Staunton: 185cm / 81kg / 85 Balance
Lucas Neill: 185cm / 78kg / 85 Balance

I know that height & weight doesn't dictate a persons balance alone and it also depends on how a person is built, but Barson isn't exactly shaped like a cube.

imo 87/88 balance would suffice (his legs do look a bit tree-trunkish compared to the rest of him).

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Re: Frank BARSON | 1919-1920

Postby Brezza » 2011 Mar 27, 17:05

Updated balance: 99>92

99 was clearly over the top but there are plenty of account that describe his strength and how he would knock players over easily with his shoulder barges so I wouldn't base it completely on his physique maybe he was hiding some Bruce Lee like muscles under there :P , seriously though id put him level with Dave Mackay.

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