LI HUITANG | 1922-1929

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LI HUITANG | 1922-1929

Postby 伯纳乌的7号 » 2009 Mar 09, 11:06

Name: Lee wai tong

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Club:Hong Kong's South China Morning Team
Number: 9
Position: SS,AM
Nationality: CHINA
Era/Age: 1929-26

Foot: L
Side: b

Height: 182
Weight: 79

Attack: 87
Defence: 35
Balance: 82
Stamina: 82
Top Speed: 83
Acceleration: 85
Response: 85
Agility: 83
Dribble Accuracy: 82
Dribble Speed: 86
Short Pass Accuracy: 76
Short Pass Speed: 72
Long Pass Accuracy: 71
Long Pass Speed: 72
Shot Accuracy: 84
Shot Power: 95
Shot Technique: 88
Free Kick Accuracy: 78
Curling: 70
Header: 68
Jump: 75
Technique: 82
Aggression: 88
Mentality: 79
Keeper Skills: 50
Team Work: 82
Injury Tolerance: B
Condition/Fitness: 5
Weak Foot Accuracy: 6
Weak Foot frequency: 6
Consistency: 7

*Dribbling
*Scoring
*Middle Shooting
*1-touch pass


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Hui-t'ang
11:0 at the South to victory in the competition, Li Huitang scored 7 goals, which put one ball to penetrate the Net
Him with the 1929 expedition to the South China team against Pakistan in Jakarta, Indonesia City wing, the Free kick in the other a Dutch player's head, collapsed on the spot, after 26 hours awake.
At 1931 South China Morning Vietnam Expeditionary Force A match, both players playing together since the conflict, Vietnam fans also add, there is a person holding a stick to fight Li Huitang head, kicked him back to kick, the middle jaw, the fans on the spot fell to the ground to hospital and later died, the matter has been so deep regret Li Huitang.

In 1976, a German football magazine considered him as one of the five all-time greatest footballers in the world, the other four being Pele, Sir Stanley Matthews、Di Stefano and Ferenc Puskas
During 1960s, he became vice-chairman of the Chinese Taipei Football Association, and in 1965 he became vice-president of FIFA, being the first Chinese to reach that position.

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Re: LI HUITANG| 1920/1929

Postby Nrby » 2009 Mar 09, 20:16

We can't really be fair because we have never seen him and probably will never see him ... and if you are telling me that you have made him after text descriptions it's doubtful that he is accurate

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Re: LI HUITANG| 1920/1929

Postby 伯纳乌的7号 » 2009 Mar 09, 20:25

lfc 4 eva wrote:
伯纳乌的7号 wrote: the Free kick in the other a Dutch player's head, collapsed on the spot, after 26 hours awake.

Sorry but that makes no sense whatsoever.
Are you trying to say he hit someone on the head who then collapsed on the spot, and then was unconcious for 26 hours?

Sorry I beg your pardon my bad English :oops: :oops: I mean: li huitang Strength !You help me Translate?Thanks~~

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Re: LI HUITANG| 1920/1929

Postby 伯纳乌的7号 » 2009 Mar 09, 20:32

Nrby wrote:We can't really be fair because we have never seen him and probably will never see him ... and if you are telling me that you have made him after text descriptions it's doubtful that he is accurate

He passed away :( But his deeds should be future generations to remember Do you think?

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Re: LI HUITANG| 1920/1929

Postby Fevernova » 2009 Mar 09, 21:24

...whatever... :roll: :roll:

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Re: LI HUITANG| 1920/1929

Postby jmg721 » 2009 Mar 09, 22:03

Yeah, basically anytime people asked for more info on him, you basically posted the same thing. Most of your posts are crap, and not valid explanation for such high stats.

I hope Oreillo can do some research on this guy, or I think that we should likely remove these stats as they seem like guesses to me...which is a shame, because I would like to learn more about this guy.

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Re: LI HUITANG| 1920/1929

Postby Xyder » 2009 Mar 09, 23:18

Ok, with the information that you give to us, we can imagine he had a powerfull shot, but what's the reason for the other stats? have you seen one video or do you have more accurate information better than wikipedia said?

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Re: LI HUITANG| 1920/1929

Postby Brezza » 2009 Mar 10, 00:33

Its a little known fact that most footballers from the 20's & 30's possess super human abilities. :shock:

I understand making lesser known legends like these are a bit of fun as we can't truly know how they played but lets not get too carried away :lol: At least provide some text or references why you have chosen certain stats. Also Paulo Alacantra supposedly broke the net with a shot as well so im starting to believe that the balls in the 20's were actually made out of pure lead.

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Re: LI HUITANG| 1920/1929

Postby Oriello » 2009 Mar 10, 01:30

I am afraid jmg721 you over estimate my powers of google research XD, I also have a rather poor knowledge of historical/classic Asian players, even the famous Cha Boom Kun does not have a wealth of source of material. :|.

I also hope people give a bit of breathing room to 伯纳乌的7号 due to his limited English skills, he clearly is trying his best -- but I understand some of the frustration that might come up when little can be communicated either way. Hopefully patience and a bit of a wide berth in understanding some terms can keep the peace. :P

Anyways onto the player, wikipedia mentions that he was likened to an Alex James of the East. So 伯纳乌的7号 was LI HUITANG really a goal getting striker (CF) or acutally an old fashioned inside forward who was more a playmaker of the age (clearly not Zico but a more unrefined 20's version?). Do you by any chance know his goal tallies during his career as they may serve as an indicator whether LI HUITANG was really such a competent poacher.

Alright I followed one of the links to this Portuguese page, please a native Portuguese user if you have the time skim through as googletranslate gave me garbage. :P But I think I learned that he was Left footed and as a youngster his family was too poor to purchase a football so he played with oranges (seen Maradona do that too :P). After his debut at 18 for China, later that same year he played against Japan and had a five minute hat-trick I think, after which he was labeled 'King of Football' in Hong Kong. Apparently he was part of a team that was unbeaten for 9 years?? (I think) and participated in China's first ever win on foreign soil. Again a native Portoguese reader would verify this and possibly get more information from there.

Alright following links in Chinese and google cannot make sense of it, thus I cannot either. :P

Man all those Chinese websites messed up my computer pretty bad, my browser kept crashing on me, damn virus penetration. Strange though that I have no such problems when I view all those porn sites from China. XD

And 伯纳乌的7号 is there prehaps a simplified Roman text name that we can all refer to you by? As I ran your name through google translate and it came out 'Ask a favor to shake the rainwater to exit 殑7鍙' and I am to damn lazy to type that out every time I want to mention you. XD


But getting back to the stats outright with very little knowledge of Li Hui'tang (alternate spelling Lee Wai Tong) I would state that Injury Tolerance A Conditioning 8 make him really a Pele Superhuman in the 1920's and really recommend a B for Injury (average/standard) and maybe a 6 for Conditioning, unless there are some texts/sources with his game record or something to that effect that we might theorize that indeed he was nearly indestructable. Also I do not know the level of professionalism/Athletiscm back then in China, as the Portuguese page referred him playing for a University team, I do not know what club he may have played for.

Also the overall shape of the player, being a poacher I think should be re-thought after that reference to him being the Alex James of the far East, as we have James' stats and he was more of a creative forward and not a goal scoring forward.

Yes like Brezza stated making such 'ancient' players is a risky buisness due to the lack of exactness we can get with their stats often going on written accounts and sort of comparing them to modern players that emulate their styles. For players from so long ago it really is more of painting with really broad brush strokes and hoping that you highlight their main features. But really as Brondbylove stated about his Danish creations no set of stats are 100% accurte as there are always those with different views even on modern players that a million people may have watched, you might get 100,000 different interpertations, so the task with classics is even more difficult, and more for fun time in PES than serious buisness :P But does not mean willy nilly values all over the place either ;).

I will try to find some more sources , and get thos Chinese pages translated by the weekend, but I sort of doubt I am might stumble on a wealth of new information that a native Chinese person may have missed.

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Re: LI HUITANG| 1920/1929

Postby 伯纳乌的7号 » 2009 Mar 10, 09:45

伯纳乌的7号 Means:Bernabeu on the 7th(raul)
In China, there are many stories about LiHuiTang~
He is playing the best Chinese history!
No image data,We can only through the text understand him,Although it is very difficult,But in order to respect history,We should do this!Do you think?I hope can objectively reflect the value of him

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Re: LI HUITANG| 1920/1929

Postby Sekularac » 2009 Mar 10, 11:11

I believe he was the best in the history of chinese football.In my opinion this forum is made for posting player's stats and discussing them between members.The problem is that this player was not world famous and I can't find decent information about him.I'm suspicous about some of his stats.By them his shoot is one of the best ever,better than Puskas.Was it really like this. :?: For example Puskas was scoring constantly against finest footballing sides at the time(Europian Champions Cups epecially).You have to consider that LI HUITANG had a lot easier job when scoring. Maybe you should take this kind of attitude when creating stats of ancient players, simply comparing him to some world known player of similar type :)

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Re: LI HUITANG| 1920/1929

Postby 伯纳乌的7号 » 2009 Mar 10, 12:15

In 1976, a German football magazine considered him as one of the five all-time greatest footballers in the world, the other four being Pele, Sir Stanley Matthews、Di Stefano and Ferenc Puskas.That he should be good~
Do you think what five all-time greatest footballers in the world?Carefully review the information.You to judge his data~Thanks

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Re: LI HUITANG| 1920/1929

Postby ssczech » 2009 Mar 10, 13:21

I'm a native of China and this topic really shocks me .I've been browsing this site for months and the discussions about the stats interests me a lot. I often doubted the KONAMI version of stats myself and this forum helps me a lot . however , i never thought of posting befofore...guys all around the world can discuss their heros on the pitch but as a Chinese i can't find the passion to do so. After the tragic failure on the 2008 Olympic Games Chinese football seems to crumble. the Chinese national team become some kind of jokers.their poor performances are being laughed at in more ways than you can imagine... the captain of the national team Zheng Zhi got a red on the Olympic Games and have been injured for almost all the season till now, the once 'king dong' even can't be one of the first regular 11 in our Chinese Super League...many Chinese football fans around me just refuse to take Chinese football seriously,not because we lack the passion ,the love for the game,but we just can't find any joy from our own League and footballers.
but this post by "伯纳乌的7号" reminds me of some good things long times ago . we had great players and wonderful moments.we love football and enjoy the pes game , that's enough...

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Re: LI HUITANG| 1920/1929

Postby Fevernova » 2009 Mar 10, 15:19

Well, the article talks about his goal scoring habilities, his titles with a team called Lenhua, and that a German magazine considered him in 1976 (Before Maradona, Beckenbauer, Platini, Zidane, Van Basten, Cruyff, Ronaldo, Romario, Ronaldinho, Maldini, etc) one of the five greatest players ever (along with Puskas, Pelé, Matthews and D´ Stefano). He scored 7 goals in one game (a record), against some Asian team. He was a football fan with only 4 years, but his family was dirt poor, so he had to play with oranges. He´s original position was a side midfielder, playing always on the left flank.

He won the Far East Games in Osaka, Japan (1926), scoring 3 goals in 5 minutes, he was only 18 back then. That same year they won the Skottowe Challenge, beating a British Team (name never mentioned), and he was crowned King of Football.

Stuff like this is what the article´s all about...yo do the math...

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Re: LI HUITANG| 1920/1929

Postby Oriello » 2009 Mar 10, 15:24

:D 伯纳乌的7号 I am from now on going to refer to you as Bernabeu7, okay? As it is much easier for me type that than to constantly have to copy and paste your name. :P

Alright with two Chinese persons then maybe you two can now gather and translate some texts describing this player, his style or abilities on the field. Otherwise there is no basis for many stats. So maybe Bernabeu7 and ssczech you two can PM eachother and work to this end to write a better descreption for Li Hui'tang, seeing as ssczech seems to have more complete grasp of English facilitating better communication across the board, and then all users can get a better idea of the player for themselves and not just gawking at really high stat values with no reference. :P

And can either of you at least provide a goal record (i.e. how many goals did he score during his career, even a partial record).This would provide some verification of his scoring prowess and more importantly verify that Li Hui'tang was actually a real poacher like forward, again I am referring to him being likened to Alex James who was not this style of player.

Was Li Hui'tang really Right Footed? as the translated portuguese text of the site on him I thought I read he may have been Left Footed. So are you sure he was Right footed.

The Passing Speeds are really high yet the Accuracy of passes is average, did you Bernabeu7 read or hear that he had real rocket type passing like Gerrard or something, but lacked practically any accuracy?

*Shooting from Distance was he really known for this? All the other *stars indicate he was a poacher along the high Attack, save for only the Aggression is all geared for him playing the line, so did he really hammer them from distance? Yes he broke the net, but was he just hammering a tap in from 2 yards out? Note that a powerful Shot Power does not imply a player was automatically a natural long range shooter. ;)

Dribbling -- did you read that this was a specialty of his? And did he have a style/tendency to slow down as the Dribble Speed is really low while in
general he is a fast person.

Header and Jump I have to assume you read that he was terrible in this regard as you gave him below average ratings, is this the case? (When I read of Wilimowski there was no mention to my recollection of his heading ability(prowess or lack of it, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt and rated/invented/guesstimated :P good average values.) So I assume for him to be in the 60's for this regard you must have been influenced by some written material, or heard something to this regard.

And again, was he noted as being rarely injured? As the Injury B is an average rating on this forum. Also Conditioning 8 is exccedingly high, did he really play 50-60 matches a year? Again an appearance record for a club would help, as you could then divide the total amongst the seasons and get an extremely rough idea.


EDIT Wrote this before ferenova's post. ferenova thanks for the read through of the Portuguese article. ;) So he played on the left wing, so I read the translated text wrong. :oops:

Hopefully the Chinese text will be a bit more descreptive.

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Re: LI HUITANG| 1920/1929

Postby yourigo » 2009 Mar 10, 15:45

i agree with deleting this post. there's too little information on the guy and i don't think that bernabeu7 paid any attention to the ladders when making this stats. besides, from the little information available on him (btw i'm also portuguese and i can confirm you that he was a left wing, not left-footed) he doesn't even seem like a poacher, and he gets all these poacher stats and stars... hard to understand

i think it would be a better idea to have a collaborative effort between oriello and the chinese guys to make him and just delete this post for now

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Re: LI HUITANG| 1920/1929

Postby Fevernova » 2009 Mar 10, 16:09

Sounds fair to me, yourigo...not enough data on this player yet...

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Re: LI HUITANG| 1920/1929

Postby turtleken » 2009 Mar 10, 17:36

After reading the Wikipedia in Chinese, I found out that he participated in the 1936 Olympics games, representing China at football.

http://www.fifa.com/tournaments/archive ... eport.html

here are some facts

China lost 2-0 to Great Britain, 0-0 at half time
He wore no.9
He was 31
China qualified ahead of japan,
Japan beat sweden 3-2 before they were thrashed by italy in the QF 8-0

other sources say China were easily the best team in Asia at the time and we did score a goal against GB, but was ruled out for offside.
and the whole team was fatigued due to the 2 month of traveling, played 27 friendlies during that time to raise travel money, won 24 drew 3, and thus didn't perform as well as they should and conceded 2 goals in the last ten minute (might be a bit objective I think)

After the Olympic games, the chinese teams was invited to tour around and play friendlies with both national and club teams. We've never won against any national teams (played team GB again, lead 1-0 and 2-1 before losing 3-2) but did have our fair share of wins against club teams.
Arsenal inquired about signing him, but gave up due to he's age (32), perhaps this is where the Alex James comparison came from
(hopefully this gives some indication of level of football played by him and he's team at that time)

Also after some googling, I found that he scored more than 1000 goals during his career, with that german magazine claimed he scored 1860 goals. however, only between 5-8 are headers so this perhaps justifies he's weak heading skills

some other facts/rumours
he weights 79kg
he's left footed but equally able on his right foot
played until he was 45
He once killed a Vietnamese Hooligan with a left footed shot
He decided to shoot from distance more often as he does not like heading the ball inside box
Was honoured by the queen at the 66 world cup.

Overall my impression is that he's not a goal poacher like RVN but was rather was a technical player, good dribbler and passer as well as having an eye for goal. but I am not experienced enough to give him his stats. perhaps I will give my suggestions after reading a bit more in this forum.

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Re: LI HUITANG| 1920/1929

Postby 伯纳乌的7号 » 2009 Mar 11, 09:30

Thanks to everyone's views, I have made a modification, I hope everyone continues to work!

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Re: LI HUITANG| 1920/1929

Postby yourigo » 2009 Mar 11, 15:23

i still think this post should have a complete makeover, but since no moderator seems to be willing to delete it, i'll just ask for one thing: take out the 99 SP, it's absurd to have a player on wich you have so little information with such a high value. you don't even have videos to compare with other players, and i honestly think it's insulting to players like puskas and eusébio who have shown their worth in the best competitions for years in a row and get only 98 when this guy gets 99 and has never even played in any of the bests leagues. i say he should get 96 at most

my sugestions:
SP 99 - 96
ST 95 - 92

if a moderator decides to delete the post and help bernabéu 7 make a new one, i offer myself to help out in any way i can. i don't have any doubts that this player deserves to be on the site, but i don't think the stats make much sense, especially when compared to other players

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Re: LI HUITANG| 1920/1929

Postby 伯纳乌的7号 » 2009 Mar 11, 16:34

Thank you for your views!I modified the but sp96 i do not agree with your views

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