Manuel ARBOLEDA

[Sikor]

STATS BY E9.

[Wojtek]

IMO Att should be higher, nothing less than 69, because of his numerous offensive actions and the fact that he's almost always active in corner kicks and helps in creating offensive actions. P18 (Extra Attacker) card should be added too.

Futhermore his BB for sure isn't worse than Choto's (92).
Look at those 2 pics:
http://www.weszlo.com/fotonews/12229839 ... -paker.jpg
http://www.weszlo.com/fotonews/12231011 ... paker2.jpg
He's very fit and strong and he very often dominates over other players. I Suggest either a reduction of Choto's BB or increase of Arboleda's BB.

Aggression on 73 is definitely not enough, his attacks are very fast and intense, I suggest 80.
pozdro600

[Pumpernikiel]

IMO Att should be higher, nothing less than 69, because of his numerous offensive actions and the fact that he's almost always active in corner kicks and helps in creating offensive actions.

69 would be too much IMO. I know he's great in opponents team penalty box in corner kicks, but he's not joining the attack so often. I'd say 66 or 67. He's joining only at free kicks/corner kicks or when Lech needs to score a goal, in last minutes or sth.

P18 (Extra Attacker) card should be added too.

It might me a good idea, we should think about it a lil' bit longer.

Futhermore his BB for sure isn't worse than Choto's (92).

I agree. Arboleda needs 90-91 balance. I'd decrease Choto's Balance to 91 also.

Aggression on 73 is definitely not enough, his attacks are very fast and intense, I suggest 80.

It would be way too much. Many forwards don't have aggression like this. 74-75 would be fine.

[E_9]

In many points Arboleda should be compare with Marcelo... so let's go:

Balance: Yeah, only Choto is stronger than him, so 90 looks good.

Attack: Marcelo was definitly the best defender in that poinst. We gave him 68, so Manuel should have... 64? 66?

Aggression: 80? He isn't striker or winger my friend Lucio has 76, Bougherra has 76 too... Marcelo has 72, so I think 72 is good value for Arboleda.


I will post new set soon, so please wait...

[Pumpernikiel]

Balance: Yeah, only Choto is stronger than him, so 90 looks good.

Agree.

Attack: Marcelo was definitly the best defender in that poinst. We gave him 68, so Manuel should have... 64? 66?

Agree with 65-66.

Aggression: 80? He isn't striker or winger my friend Lucio has 76, Bougherra has 76 too... Marcelo has 72, so I think 72 is good value for Arboleda.

It could stay at 73, as it is now.

[Sikor]

Eventually we're coming to the conclusion that only his BB should be increased to 90 and I agree with that.

[tomaster]

A bit late but I have to agree on balance, I admire his strength plus I suggest *Dribbling for him, he is something like Lucio and likes to join attacks with ball to his foot.

[Pumpernikiel]

I suggest *Dribbling for him, he is something like Lucio and likes to join attacks with ball to his foot.

He doesn't deserve dribble star.

[tomaster]

Why he does not deserve that *? Do You deny him making attacking rides?

[Pumpernikiel]

Why he does not deserve that *? Do You deny him making attacking rides?

Well, that is just not enough what he shows. He's a Centre Back, a defensive player, dribble star would be too much.

[tomaster]

But there are few CB in Europe who deserve that *. I assume You think he is not making dribbles frequently enough to guarantee that *?

[Pumpernikiel]

But there are few CB in Europe who deserve that *. I assume You think he is not making dribbles frequently enough to guarantee that *?

Well, he could make them frequently (but, imo, hes not doing them so often), but he needs to make them also efficiently.

look at his DA: its 72 + dribble star? It doesn't fit.

[tomaster]

I have no idea why it may not fit, I was thinking DA got nothing to do with *Dribbling.

[Pumpernikiel]

I have no idea why it may not fit, I was thinking DA got nothing to do with *dribbling.

Dribble star:
"[...]he will be much more likely to run with the ball and attempt to get past opponents with trickery." and they say this attribute only applies to AI-controlled teams.

Does Arboleda make tricks? Well, still think he doesn't deserve that.

he is something like Lucio and likes to join attacks with ball to his foot.

Maybe you are thinking about P18 (Extra Attacker) card ? Cause there were suggestions to give him that card. And i don't know about that, but im closer to give him P18 than dribble star.

[tomaster]

I don't find that description very accurate, in game You can't see players with *Dribbling doing more tricks than others. About Extra Attacker I can't say anything, I'm playing 2009 version.

[E_9]

Pumpernikiel, you are right. He doesn't deserve it. He likes dribbling, but he does it 2-3 times in match (I based on matches against Sparta, for example).

*Dribbling is for a CB like Bougherra, not Arboleda... If Arboleda needs it, so needs it also Grodzicki, Marcelo, Classic Cleber and some other CB from Ekstraklasa.

[Pumpernikiel]

Well, in my opinion Arboleda is a little bit underrated in DEF. Ive tried to pick up the best (sorry if i forgot about someone) CB's of Ekstraklasa:
(DEF/BAL/RESP)
Inaki Astiz (possibly best in DEF in Ekstraklasa)
80/82/82
Dickson Choto
78/92/80
Manuel Arboleda (i'd raise DEF +1 or even 2, hes not that worse than Skerla or Choto, and for sure not at the same lvl as Pietrasiak now)
76/90/84
Osman Chavez (didn't see many matches of him, cant rate)
78/87/78
Bartosz Bosacki (better than Skerla (Jagiellonia) in DEF, in my opinion second in DEF in Ekstraklasa (id give DEF +1, and his speed stats might be underrated)
78/86/80
Andrius Skerla
78/84/80
Dariusz Pietrasiak (was one of the best, now not the same player as he was in GKS)
76/84/78

Conclusion: +1/2 DEF for Arboleda, +1 for Bosacki

[buszmen]

Well, in my opinion Arboleda is a little bit underrated in DEF. Ive tried to pick up the best (sorry if i forgot about someone) CB's of Ekstraklasa:
(DEF/BAL/RESP)
Inaki Astiz (possibly best in DEF in Ekstraklasa)
80/82/82
Dickson Choto
78/92/80
Manuel Arboleda (i'd raise DEF +1 or even 2, hes not that worse than Skerla or Choto, and for sure not at the same lvl as Pietrasiak now)
76/90/84
Osman Chavez (didn't see many matches of him, cant rate)
78/87/78
Bartosz Bosacki (better than Skerla (Jagiellonia) in DEF, in my opinion second in DEF in Ekstraklasa (id give DEF +1, and his speed stats might be underrated)
78/86/80
Andrius Skerla
78/84/80
Dariusz Pietrasiak (was one of the best, now not the same player as he was in GKS)
76/84/78

Conclusion: +1/2 DEF for Arboleda, +1 for Bosacki

Agree, Arboleda for now is the best CB in Ekstraklasa. Also becouse Astiz plays averange this season and Choto is injured.

+1 AGR - Arboleda often attack, he is like "columbian Lucio"

[michalk772]

Arboleda shot a lot of goals head in Ekstraklasa and European League. I hink that he must add:
Special Skills Card: S08 Slide Tackle maybe S10 DF leader (I prefer it fits Bosacki.)
Styles Playing Cards: P18 Extra Attacker

[Sikor]

It was already discussed earlier so I gave him the Extra Attacker card.