Vágner Love

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Vágner Love

Postby PES Stats Database » 2008 Dec 27, 17:00

Name: Vágner Silva de Souza
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Re: VÁGNER LOVE

Postby tuco55 » 2012 Jan 25, 16:29

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Re: VÁGNER LOVE

Postby Luisito » 2012 Jan 27, 00:58

finally welcome back to Flamengo , he need some update since his abit better in real

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Re: VÁGNER LOVE

Postby Luisito » 2012 Apr 08, 23:01

so far so good scored like 10 gols in 12 matches including Copa Libertadores and Campeonato Carioca. aggresion could be 85/86 since his always pushing hisself forwardly m agility may up to 1 point his pretty agile , other then that he deserve a bit better passing stats , his 1 of the better passing (asisting) strikers

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Re: VÁGNER LOVE

Postby Denilson Oliveira » 2012 Apr 09, 13:12

I think his attack should be sitting around 84-85. 83 seems really low for a player of his calibar. He was a beast in Russia and he is even more dominant in Brazil ( makes sense ) .
Also i'm preety sure his TECH is better than this. On my scale he is somewhere between 82-83. His DA should get a slight boost to 82 too.

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Re: VÁGNER LOVE

Postby Luisito » 2012 Apr 10, 08:32

I could agree with Denilson , his a well establish striker was for recent years the best striker in Russia liga and also now and still very quality striker his showing that in Brazil every times , am sure once Flamengo gets another tall striker with quality Vagner Love culd show hisself even more , he just plays alone as CF o together wit Deivid who is sloppy most times

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Re: VÁGNER LOVE

Postby Eduardo A. Lopes » 2012 Apr 11, 02:53

He is the only reliable player in Flamengo right now, and scores every game.
Maybe +1 ATT, AGG and TEC would be more fitting.

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Re: VÁGNER LOVE

Postby Odi1981 » 2012 Jun 09, 22:35

Eduardo A. Lopes wrote:He is the only reliable player in Flamengo right now, and scores every game.
Maybe +1 ATT, AGG and TEC would be more fitting.





Attack: 83>>>>>>>>>>>>84/85 Alecsandro is 84, Love is better than or equal
Shot Accuracy: 83>>>>>>>>>>84 goals is the most opportunities

Technique: 80>>>>>>>>>>>>>82/83 He is better than that
Aggression: 83>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To me, all CF, SS, WF are 99 of the AGG.

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Re: VÁGNER LOVE

Postby Luizinho94 » 2012 Jun 23, 17:49

He needs an update. The only one in Flamengo that is playing well in the League.

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Re: VÁGNER LOVE

Postby marcell_rock10 » 2012 Oct 14, 17:08

Don't you guys think he deserves an update ? He's the best Flamengo player, and he's better than this i think :)

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Re: VÁGNER LOVE

Postby Viyut » 2012 Oct 18, 19:42

He needs an update.

I suggest a small increase on TECH as his first touch is not as bad as 80 would suggest, maybe 83. He also deserves DA 81.

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Re: VÁGNER LOVE

Postby valdemarcareca » 2012 Oct 18, 19:58

I think he deserves less AGI, for some time now I have noticed that he is having some difficulty in performing certain moves quickly, it still stands up very well, is well posted, but can not pass with efficiency by defenders, his dribbling is not as deadly as it was before.

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Re: VÁGNER LOVE

Postby Viyut » 2012 Oct 25, 20:06

^It never crossed my mind, but yes vagner doesn't deserves 86 AGI anymore. I think 83-84 as he's not more agile than Aloisio.

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Re: VÁGNER LOVE

Postby valdemarcareca » 2012 Nov 21, 18:00

Really I think its 81 in Explosive Power, it would be great. It's been awhile that I do not see him being fast in executing certain movements, he tries to penetrate the saga, but still can not, if he finds a quarterback ahead he soon loses the fight with defender. No longer has the lightness with which he had to pass by the greatness defesores adversaries.

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Re: Vágner Love

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Re: Vágner Love

Postby Anders » 2013 Jan 14, 15:05

We could make an general update on him before moving him to Russia. I need to look at my OF, but any other opinion.

Edit:
I just mainly watched his 1 half of the season, when Ronaldinho as still on the team. He was quite a beast in the begging with Ronaldinho putting him all the time in front of the goal, so I may have being a bit generous with him.
How I have him on my OF:
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Name: Vágner Love
Shirt Name: VÁGNER LOVE
Shirt Number: 99
Nationality: Brazilian
Height: 173 cm
Weight: 76 kg
Age: 28 (11/06/1984)
Foot: R
Side: B
Positions: CF★, SS

TECHNIQUE
Attack: 85
Defence: 39
Header Accuracy: 82
Dribble Accuracy: 83
Short Pass Accuracy: 76
Short Pass Speed: 73
Long Pass Accuracy: 73
Long Pass Speed: 70
Shot Accuracy: 86
Place Kicking: 65
Swerve: 66
Ball Control: 83
Goal Keeping Skills: 50
Weak Foot Accuracy: 7
Weak Foot Frequency: 6
SPEED
Response: 83
Explosive Power: 82
Dribble Speed: 81
Top Speed: 82
PHYSICAL
Body Balance: 82
Stamina: 81~79
Kicking Power: 80~79
Jump: 81
Injury Tolerance: B
RESISTANCE
Attack Awareness: 3
Defence Awareness: 2
Form: 6
Tenacity: 71
Teamwork: 76

P13 - Dummy Runner
P16 - Fox in the Box
S01 - 1-Touch Play
S07 - Shoulder Feint Skills
S09 - Roulette Skills
S13 - Step On Skills
S16 - Jumping Volley
S17 - Scissor Kick
S18 - Heel Flick

OLD STATS:
Acceleration: 83
Shot Technique: 84
Aggression: 85~86

SPECIAL ABILITIES:
★ Dribbling
★ Reaction
★ Post Player
★ 1-Touch Pass

MOTION STYLE:
Dribble Style: 2


Some short explanations:
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Vagner changed a bit, he is now old and a tad lazy, he lost some of his speed and agility, that's what I wanted to reflect on this set. He still can be an TS 83 or DS 82 thought.
About his speed, I gotcha two examples 1 and 2 :lol: , he almost couldn't beat Muriel

Another questionable point is his shooting, I'll post a video of his goals on Flamengo, but to the ones that are a bit lazy I separate 2 goals:
Shows placement and his weak foot and the second shows power
He scored some acrobatic goals, that's why I gave him those 3 cards, will be below too, after the video of all his goals at Flamengo.

I'm not sure about his P Cards, I gave him both Dummy and Fox, which are a very strange combination, as I said he's quite lazy, generally not moving much and frequent making a post player thing, but he sometimes like to move and opening space for his teammates, I'm liking how he does with both cards. IMO or should he have both or none.


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Re: Vágner Love

Postby The Riddler » 2013 Jan 16, 04:31

Isn't his DA and ball control a little bit more special?

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Re: Vágner Love

Postby Anders » 2013 Jan 16, 10:19

Don't see him needing more than 83 in both. He may had deserved more DA in the past, but he isn't dribbling so frequent anymore.

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Re: Vágner Love

Postby Epsi » 2013 Jan 16, 19:16

So can I update him and move back to CSKA? :)

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Re: Vágner Love

Postby Dimon » 2013 Jan 16, 21:48

I think we need to discuss it more. As Anders himself said, he was too generous in some areas. I don't think that his ATT should be raised, cause all national championship (which is much more harder than State championship) he never showed intelligence of this level and also didn't represent so much danger for the opposing teams. Same thing about SA: no need to raise, he didn't show more placement than current 83. Missed much much more than Fred, for example.

Also I'm not sure in such raise in defence, cause he was always near or in the box without effort to help to defence.

HEAD: also not sure at all. He know how to heading, but I think 80 is much more than enough.

About passing things and FKA-Curl agree (only he can get one or two points more in Curl than Anders gave for him).

WFA, WFF: it doesn't seem so, his right foot much better than left, I think current numbers is OK, maybe only WFF need raise to 5.

Speed stats by Anders look accurate, as Physical and Resistance ones.

Dummy surely not about Vagner.

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Re: Vágner Love

Postby TheGreatest » 2013 Jan 16, 22:52

I think its a consistency thing, he can be really good on his day, but in the second part of Brasileiro he was more instable, i like how Konami rates him, with 85 ATT, 84 SA but form 5(can be 4).

But agree with Dimon about lower Header.

Edit:

About WFA, WFA Konami have him with 7/7 which seems pretty realistic in PES 2013.

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