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Sami Khedira

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Re: Sami KHEDIRA

Postby qwertyfinger » 2011 Jun 21, 23:37

cale1991 wrote:^ yup.

and *Covering would be a nice addition IMO.


No way! He's been pretty poor for Madrid this year in his role as a DMF, although it's to be expected, he was a CMF and an AMF by trade in Germany and to have come to a different country and play a completely different game to what he's used to is ruining him, they're basically doing what they'd done to Thomas Gravesen and turning him into a cog in the midfield who runs and makes challenges, Lass is better in this position, and well, Khedira needs a lot of changes and I don't agree with Covering being one of them.

Something along the lines of:

Attack: 73
Defence: 69
Balance: 84
Stamina: 86
Top Speed: 82
Acceleration: 81
Response: 83
Agility: 77
Dribble Accuracy: 80
Dribble Speed: 81
Short Pass Accuracy: 81
Short Pass Speed: 81
Long Pass Accuracy: 79
Long Pass Speed: 81
Shot Accuracy: 72
Shot Power: 84
Shot Technique: 73
Free Kick Accuracy: 70
Curling: 77
Header: 82
Jump: 80
Technique: 81
Aggression: 73
Mentality: 82
Keeper Skills: 50
Teamwork: 82

He's been sloppy in possession and he's far from nimble, which is why I've dropped his passing and agility.

I've dropped teamwork due to him not exactly playing too well in his first season and struggling at times and making bad decisions. Mentality was dropped due to him being caught out of position a lot due to the positional change, still a hard worker though. His stamina was dropped due to not covering the same amount of ground he has in previous years.

Aggression was dropped and so was his attak to make him more defensive minded, the raise in defence was a reason to do so aswell. Shooting was dropped because he was never that good.

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Re: Sami KHEDIRA

Postby Mr. Evans » 2011 Jun 21, 23:50

Like that set a lot more than the current one. A few things though:
Surprised you dropped his STA, he's a very energetic player. I always personally thought his current STA was a bit too low so if he covered even more ground in the past, he would probably need a 89/90 back then as I'd give him a 88 now. Or am I off here..?

And this:
Mentality was dropped due to him being caught out of position a lot due to the positional change,

If that's the case, why not lower the DEF value you gave him?

And yeah, I wouldn't give him *Covering.

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Re: Sami KHEDIRA

Postby qwertyfinger » 2011 Jun 21, 23:59

Comparing Sami to the types of midfielders in similar positions, Alonso (84), Xavi (88), Biscuits (87), I'd feel he'd sit a lot closer to Alonso who'd be more worthy of an 85 in my opinion, he'd sit a lot nicer as an 86, in between Busquets and Alonso in my opinion, if you see the amount of ground and movement by all its apparent that it'd be shaped well in that style. I think anyway.

I'd hardly consider 69 huge for a DMF, but he has good tackles, good marking ability, he can stray out of position though and I'd think with a lower mentality and a higher defence he'd portray the ability to defend while still making errors. Right?

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Re: Sami KHEDIRA

Postby Mr. Evans » 2011 Jun 22, 11:32

When you say amount of ground covered, do you mean what the statistics show? Because while Xavi pretty much always covers a lot of ground, he does it by strolling around constantly while someone like Khedira runs, which requires more energy thus more STA.

No a 69 is definitely not a huge value for a DMF but it was just your reason for lowering his MENT which made me think that you should be looking at his DEF.

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Re: Sami KHEDIRA

Postby qwertyfinger » 2011 Jun 22, 14:30

Mr. Evans wrote:When you say amount of ground covered, do you mean what the statistics show? Because while Xavi pretty much always covers a lot of ground, he does it by strolling around constantly while someone like Khedira runs, which requires more energy thus more STA.


No, I know statistics aren't how stats are rated around here, just look at players like Ballack who've been rated as one of the fastest in the world at a previous world cup, or look at Charlie Adam who has a very average passing percentage and a high SPA on here. I meant as in the total ground covered in game, Xavi does cover more, he's box to box and makes constant late runs into the box for his team mates and rarely gets picked, you'd notice it more at the game but I guess a lot of perception is lost watching it on TV. But yeah, I agree that if a player sprints he gets tired quicker, but stamina is about the amount you can run and how well you can cope with going flat out, something which Sami can lack in when he does it quite a bit in games... But no, it wasn't based on stats, it was based on perception.

Mr. Evans wrote:No a 69 is definitely not a huge value for a DMF but it was just your reason for lowering his MENT which made me think that you should be looking at his DEF.


It could have been perceived that way I agree, but, you understand what I was getting at now and thats all that matters. Is there anything else you think could do with a fixing, these are just a 2 minute stat job of what I tihnk needs to be changed.

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Re: Sami KHEDIRA

Postby Xyder » 2011 Jul 03, 20:22

This thread is a bit forgotten. I like qwerty's set but like Mr Evans said, we can polish some things before the update. In Xavi's thread flourish the need of updating his DEF to 70.

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Re: Sami KHEDIRA

Postby xeneize » 2011 Jul 03, 20:24

to me with 69 as, said qwerty in his set, could work fine

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Re: Sami KHEDIRA

Postby REAL_MADRID » 2011 Jul 29, 21:26

What about an update?
I think some stats should be raised and others should be down.

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Re: Sami KHEDIRA

Postby wowbagger » 2011 Jul 30, 13:43

Maybe you could get a little more exact on your suggestions ;)

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Re: Sami KHEDIRA

Postby e-server » 2011 Aug 01, 17:35

Just because he is big does not mean he deserves 85 for BB. I have watched both him and lass play, and lass is much stronger to me. Yet, you rate them with the same BB. Also, is Kherida really that fast ? TS 81 ? really ? He has never shown such a speed to me. I dont see how this guy is just as fast as Alex Song of Arsenal. To me, Alex Song is much faster, yet both are rated at 81 for TS. Finally, I agree with his passing stats for now. Let's see how Kherida improves next season. Suggestions: TS 75 ; BB 80.

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Re: Sami KHEDIRA

Postby Diego » 2011 Aug 01, 18:40

Edit

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Re: Sami KHEDIRA

Postby qwertyfinger » 2011 Aug 03, 16:28

I think my set should be in first post.

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Re: Sami KHEDIRA

Postby Chicharito » 2011 Aug 04, 02:32

e-server wrote:Just because he is big does not mean he deserves 85 for BB. I have watched both him and lass play, and lass is much stronger to me. Yet, you rate them with the same BB. Also, is Kherida really that fast ? TS 81 ? really ? He has never shown such a speed to me. I dont see how this guy is just as fast as Alex Song of Arsenal. To me, Alex Song is much faster, yet both are rated at 81 for TS. Finally, I agree with his passing stats for now. Let's see how Kherida improves next season. Suggestions: TS 75 ; BB 80.



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Re: Sami KHEDIRA

Postby michalk772 » 2011 Aug 19, 20:47

Mourinho tells him to play more defensively than offensively :!:
Att: 76 :?:
Def: 65 :?:

PLAYER INDEX CARDS:
P08 - Box to Box :?:
P15 - Free Roaming :?:

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Re: Sami KHEDIRA

Postby TBD » 2011 Aug 22, 00:12

He got #6

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Re: Sami KHEDIRA

Postby Kerry » 2011 Aug 23, 13:05

His MEN is a bit high, i guess 82 should be fine

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Re: Sami KHEDIRA

Postby michalk772 » 2011 Aug 30, 19:33

michalk772 wrote:Mourinho tells him to play more defensively than offensively :!:
Att: 76 :?:
Def: 65 :?:

PLAYER INDEX CARDS:
P08 - Box to Box :?:
P15 - Free Roaming :?:


Someone answer me on this message :?: :?: :?:

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Re: Sami KHEDIRA

Postby Diego » 2011 Aug 30, 19:47

Personally i use S-cobar set of some pages ago, i find it more accurate.

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Re: Sami KHEDIRA

Postby Fixer » 2011 Aug 30, 19:49

Linking s-cobar's set again as only Interist, JMVP and I seem to have answered, positively also. If I do not get new opinions I'm updating It tomorrow morning.

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s-cobar wrote:Club: Real Madrid CF
Name: Sami KHEDIRA
Shirt Name: KHEDIRA
Number: 24
Positions: ★ DM, CM
Nationality: German
Age: 24 (04/04/1987)

Height: 189 cm
Weight: 83 kg

Injury Tolerance: B
Foot: R
Side: B

Attack: 74
Defence: 76
Balance: 84
Stamina: 85
Top Speed: 82
Acceleration: 79
Response: 84
Agility: 77
Dribble Accuracy: 80
Dribble Speed: 80
Short Pass Accuracy: 81
Short Pass Speed: 82
Long Pass Accuracy: 81
Long Pass Speed: 83
Shot Accuracy: 73
Shot Power: 84
Shot Technique: 75
Free Kick Accuracy: 70
Curling: 76
Header: 83
Jump: 78
Technique: 82
Aggression: 76
Mentality: 84
Keeper Skills: 50
Teamwork: 82

Condition/Fitness: 7
Weak Foot Accuracy: 6
Weak Foot Frequency: 6

SPECIAL ABILITIES:
★ Centre

PLAYER INDEX CARDS:

MOTION STYLE:

ATTACK / DEFENCE AWARENESS: BAL


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Re: Sami KHEDIRA

Postby Mr. Evans » 2011 Aug 30, 20:27

DEF is way too high imo, don't see how he deserves a green value. Neither his tackling or positioning is of such a high level imo. He's a 72 for me, 73 max and I think his current RES is fine. I'd bring down his ATT down more too. He hasn't shown any impressive (for a DM) attacking intelligence in his time at Real imo, 72/73 for me. LPA seems a bit high as well, not much of long passer and don't think he's this accurate. Personally I'd go for qwertyfinger's value.
The rest seems fine to me.

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